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Petition says close shops on Boxing Day to spare workers
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Girth
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by CravenHaven:
“I'm not bothered about convenience stores and mini-supermarkets opening.”

My local Tesco Express is absolutely rammed after 4pm on a Sunday once the big shops are closed, and it's all people trying to do a weeks shopping in what is just a corner shop, If convenience stores are all that's open then that's where people will go.
CravenHaven
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Girth:
“My local Tesco Express is absolutely rammed after 4pm on a Sunday once the big shops are closed, and it's all people trying to do a weeks shopping in what is just a corner shop, If convenience stores are all that's open then that's where people will go.”

well, whatever. But what kind of loon would plan ahead to do one week of shopping in a convenience store on Boxing Day?
sarahj1986
14-11-2016
I'm lucky in the sense that my husbands restaurant where he works doesn't open xmas day so he at least gets that day off. He booked xmas eve off last year but this year he's requested Boxing Day instead so we do get the two days together. My sister who is a care assistant has always had to work some part of xmas day although I think it's either been early morning or late afternoon never the full day.

In terms of the shops opening or not it doesn't bother me. I have been to the Boxing Day sales but I wouldn't lose my shit if they closed.
Girth
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by CravenHaven:
“well, whatever. But what kind of loon would plan ahead to do one week of shopping in a convenience store on Boxing Day?”

Come to my local Tesco and see for yourself.
Hieronymous
14-11-2016
What's this all about?

Aren't shops closed for three months after Christmas?

I've seen people stocking up for it.
stud u like
14-11-2016
All shops? That would be very difficult and annoying for those who don't drive and have to shop every day!
Hieronymous
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by stud u like:
“All shops? That would be very difficult and annoying for those who don't drive and have to shop every day!”

I assume that this is in response to me.

I'm not sure that anyone has to shop every day and those people I see stocking up with a couple of trolleys piled high clearly do drive.
MikeJW
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by stud u like:
“All shops? That would be very difficult and annoying for those who don't drive and have to shop every day!”

Ah, but apparently if enough people don't have a "need" to shop on Boxing Day, or would like Christmas to be snowy and traditional, the government should introduce legislation to ensure they get their way.

What else should the government ban because there's no "need" for it, I wonder?
GusGus
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by CravenHaven:
“well, whatever. But what kind of loon would plan ahead to do one week of shopping in a convenience store on Boxing Day?”


My ex worked for a major supermarket chain who was open on Christmas Eve until lunchtime. Whilst they were having a drink/celebration once closed there were always people banging on the doors looking to shop
TheEricPollard
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Isambard Brunel:
“Most people don't seem to understand the difference between working and trading.

Trading laws only affect the hours a shop can open. It doesn't stop employees being required to work behind closed doors. Lidl and Aldi usually open 8am-10pm, but the workers are there at least by 7am and leave at 11pm at the very earliest. Some of them don't walk out the door until 1am, and don't get paid for it.

On Sundays, they close at 5pm but keep working until at least 7pm, if not 9pm. There are some busy times, such as stock taking or other events, when a few staff can be there until 10pm or 11pm on a Sunday night.

So if someone bans trading on Boxing Day, shops will simply make their staff do loads of work behind closed doors anyway - when it's nice and quiet and they can move things around, polish the floors and do a stock taking without pesky customers getting under their feet.



The masses absolutely love the excitement of Boxing Day sales - not only to find bargains, but because it's an enjoyable day out. Why deny them this?

Some people get the best part of two weeks off over Christmas, some get several days and some work Christmas and Boxing Day. That's life.

You may as well demand that people who work in retail get paid the same salaries as their executives, who almost certainly do not work on Boxing Day, and drive a better car.”

So what is your favourite Pringles flavour?
TerraCanis
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Isambard Brunel:
“The masses absolutely love the excitement of Boxing Day sales - not only to find bargains, but because it's an enjoyable day out. Why deny them this?”

For some, perhaps, but I find shopping at the best of times a mopind-numbingly tedious chore, and I'm hanged if I'm going to do it on Boxing Day. Perhaps if more people took this approach there'd be no need for petitions because it would stop being profitable.
rfonzo
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Terry N:
“When I was a lad in the 80s nowhere was open for days after Christmas. A lot of places closed until the new year.”

So was I. I do remember adverts for furniture or sofa places being on about their boxing day sales and remember thinking to myself, surely these places are not open because nowhere else is?
Madamfluff
14-11-2016
People seem to think Oh Boxing day is just one day and shop workers will get Christmas day off, but that's not the point, I live on the Isle of Wight my 86 year old dad lives in London, I don't drive and there are no trains Christmas day or Boxing day, so if I was told I had to work Boxing day I wouldn't be able to travel to see my dad as I wouldn't be able to get back and at 86 I am not going to have many Christmases left with him am I?

If I worked as a Nurse or any other profession that traditionally had people working over the whole Christmas period least I would have a chance to book the time off or make it clear to my bosses and work mates during the year I would not be working.

But I run a charity shop and am the main key holder, if my charity suddenly decide that I had to open my shop, well it wouldn't happen I would refuse.
RebelScum
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Madamfluff:
“People seem to think Oh Boxing day is just one day and shop workers will get Christmas day off, but that's not the point, I live on the Isle of Wight my 86 year old dad lives in London, I don't drive and there are no trains Christmas day or Boxing day, so if I was told I had to work Boxing day I wouldn't be able to travel to see my dad as I wouldn't be able to get back and at 86 I am not going to have many Christmases left with him am I?

If I worked as a Nurse or any other profession that traditionally had people working over the whole Christmas period least I would have a chance to book the time off or make it clear to my bosses and work mates during the year I would not be working.

But I run a charity shop and am the main key holder, if my charity suddenly decide that I had to open my shop, well it wouldn't happen I would refuse.”

So what are you moaning about?
SULLA
14-11-2016
Do these workers get extra pay.

When I worked, I got paid extra to work on a Bank Holiday and it was double time in addition to my salary.

Lovely Jubbly
tenofspades
14-11-2016
I think it should be off, some people have two families to go and visit. 27th can easily be made the new big shopping day.
Madamfluff
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by RebelScum:
“So what are you moaning about?”

I'm not moaning dear just telling how it is
tenofspades
14-11-2016
This won't happen by the way. MPs will look in horror at the prospect of losing a strong trade day- amazing for the economy, and just blank it with a hashed response.
RebelScum
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Madamfluff:
“I'm not moaning dear just telling how it is”

You're closed on Boxing Day, that's how it is. The what ifs are irrelevant. If your going down the what if road to make some sort of point then as many what ifs can be made to counter your point.
BBWorldWideFan
14-11-2016
Speak for themselves! I'm rather happy to earn double pay during the holiday period!

Do the people starting the petition even work these kind of hours or are they just condescending, virtue-signalling middle class saviours speaking on our behalf again?
BBWorldWideFan
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by fizzycat:
“Predictably the petition refers to time off to spend with family over the holidays 'like everyone else'.

'Everyone else' excluding emergency services, hospital workers, care staff, hotel staff, utility suppliers, everyone involved in keeping TV and radio going, restaurant staff, taxi drivers ...

If they want the day off, that's fine. But don't go for the sympathy vote by pretending they're the only ones working.
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Well said. They complain about that yet I've not had a "family" christmas in what will be my third year this christmas. I work from 10 in the morning till 10 at night, and by the time I get home I'm too tired for turkey or a few drinks, I go to bed and wake up early the next morning to do Boxing Day lunches. So tbh I've not much sympathy for them either.
ritchie2yk
14-11-2016
I've always thought you'd have to be a bit of a loser to be one of these ppl that queue up at 6am for shops to open boxing day
jeffiner1892
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by Girth:
“My local Tesco Express is absolutely rammed after 4pm on a Sunday once the big shops are closed, and it's all people trying to do a weeks shopping in what is just a corner shop, If convenience stores are all that's open then that's where people will go.”

That's one thing I never understand. Shops over a certain size have the option to open any 6 hours between 10am and 6pm, why do most of them insist on 10-4 when 12-6 would work better?
LuckyPierre
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by BBWorldWideFan:
“Speak for themselves! I'm rather happy to earn double pay during the holiday period!

Do the people starting the petition even work these kind of hours or are they just condescending, virtue-signalling middle class saviours speaking on our behalf again?”

Well ... yes, basically.
Gordie1
14-11-2016
Originally Posted by BBWorldWideFan:
“Speak for themselves! I'm rather happy to earn double pay during the holiday period!

Do the people starting the petition even work these kind of hours or are they just condescending, virtue-signalling middle class saviours speaking on our behalf again?”

, double pay?!!!.
I can assure that the large retailer I work for pays neither their staff, nor management a penny more for working at these days, Christmas eve, boxing day and new years day is a normal day from 7.30 til 6.30, and no hols are allowed over that period, people have to pay for taxis to and from work, people on minimum wage working a 4 hour shift paying £15 in taxis for a few hours work, meanwhile any problems occurs, everyone above store level is at home with their family, so your on your own.
you can tell when head office Finnish up for Christmas, you get a page full of emails from all depts telling you what they expect from your store, then an email saying the sender is away until dec 27th.

Double pay indeed
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