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Petition says close shops on Boxing Day to spare workers
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malpasc
23-11-2016
Originally Posted by JulesF:
“This thread has reached new levels of absurdity. We've gone from po-faced lectures on the real meaning of Christmas to a pretty thorough examination of Christmas public transport timetables.”

I suppose it could be pertinent given that people will still need to get to work over the Christmas / Boxing Day period.
Swanandduck2
23-11-2016
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“You are been argumentative for the sake of it...you know full well most public transport does not operate on Xmas Day, you have proven it yourself really by linking one service & one service only running in Bristol on Xmas Day, and that link even said it was planning to operate so wasn't even definite.”

He has been doing that all through the thread. The best thing is to just stop feeding him.
dee123
23-11-2016
Almost 500 posts on Boxing Day trading, and people think DS is dying.
unique
23-11-2016
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“You are been argumentative for the sake of it...you know full well most public transport does not operate on Xmas Day, you have proven it yourself really by linking one service & one service only running in Bristol on Xmas Day, and that link even said it was planning to operate so wasn't even definite.”

linking to just one service was sufficient to prove what was asked of me. in addition to the one I linked to, there are more

you however seem to overlook the point of what is being made

Originally Posted by tim59:
“Having one or two buses runing on xmas day is not running a bus service,”

wrong, it is

Quote:
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as i said most places do not run bus services on xmas day and i will stick to that statment, you cannot show me that most places run buses xmas day, so unless you can prove they do. You cannot prove most places are running bus services”

I've never claimed most places run a bus service, have I?

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. So because 1 place running 1 service you say my statement is incorrect,”

no. you are confused

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well sorry its not incorrect you come back wiith data yourself proving that most places are running bus services then i will say i was wrong,”

I've never claimed most places run a bus service. you are the one who is using that string of words

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but unless you can do this the statement stands that most places dont run bus services xmas day.”

so the bottom line is you can't prove what you are saying?

even though someone earlier suggested it was easy to do?

so they would be wrong too then?

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You made a statement that the city you live in runs bus services every day of the year, but you still refuse to name this city and we know its not bristol. So why are you refusing to name this city ?”

Originally Posted by Jane Doh!:
“One city is running a service for the first time.

Totally proves the poster's claim that most buses don't run on Christmas Day.”

no it doesn't

Originally Posted by Jane Doh!:
“Past and future is irrelevant. You have been denying the claim that most bus services don't run on Christmas Day. You still have not provided any evidence that the claim is wrong.”

I've not denied it at all. I've simply asked the person who made the claim to prove what they have said is true. so far they've been unable to prove what they said

on the other hand I've proved what you asked me to, which was pretty simple
Mark.
23-11-2016
It's not something that needs proven because it's common knowledge (Christ, it's bloody common sense) that the vast majority of places do not have any public transport on Christmas Day.
PhilH36
23-11-2016
Originally Posted by Swanandduck2:
“He has been doing that all through the thread. The best thing is to just stop feeding him.”

No doubt he's the sort who would argue that a +1 service showing teleshopping that operates on Freeview for one hour a day between 4.00am and 5.00am counts as a seperate channel.
tim59
23-11-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“linking to just one service was sufficient to prove what was asked of me. in addition to the one I linked to, there are more

you however seem to overlook the point of what is being made



wrong, it is



I've never claimed most places run a bus service, have I?



no. you are confused



I've never claimed most places run a bus service. you are the one who is using that string of words



so the bottom line is you can't prove what you are saying?

even though someone earlier suggested it was easy to do?

so they would be wrong too then?





no it doesn't



I've not denied it at all. I've simply asked the person who made the claim to prove what they have said is true. so far they've been unable to prove what they said

on the other hand I've proved what you asked me to, which was pretty simple”

I said most places dont have bus services running on xmas day, you have not provided any thing to make my statement incorrect. But i might just start a thread and ask people if they have a bus services running xmas day, but even other people posting will not be enough for you.
unique
23-11-2016
Originally Posted by tim59:
“I said most places dont have bus services running on xmas day, you have not provided any thing to make my statement incorrect. But i might just start a thread and ask people if they have a bus services running xmas day, but even other people posting will not be enough for you.”

I was simply asking you to back up what you said, as you've made many statements that are false and that you can't back up and that was yet another one

plus contrary to what someone else posted, it's not easy to prove that point, is it?
Harvey_Specter
23-11-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“I was simply asking you to back up what you said, as you've made many statements that are false and that you can't back up and that was yet another one

plus contrary to what someone else posted, it's not easy to prove that point, is it?”

I think it's reasonable to assume most places won't or don't run a bus service on Christmas day.

Take this article from Timeout last year for one of the busiest cities on the planet.

http://www.timeout.com/london/things...-new-years-eve

No Tube service Christmas day. No overground service Christmas day. No Bus service Christmas day. No River service Christmas day.

If you're being reasonable, it's easy to posit that if such a busy city closes all those services on Christmas day, that the rest of the country may follow a similar schedule. And that furthermore, the exceptions you may point to, do nothing other than highlight they are indeed exceptions and not the rule.
Jane Doh!
23-11-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“i asked you to prove what you said, not list a bunch of places

you said "And yes its a fact most places there is no bus service on xmas day"

so prove it. present your data you used to determine this”

And several people have pointed out that he's correct.

Yet you still can't accept it.

Originally Posted by unique:
“linking to just one service was sufficient to prove what was asked of me. in addition to the one I linked to, there are more

you however seem to overlook the point of what is being made



wrong, it is



I've never claimed most places run a bus service, have I?



no. you are confused



I've never claimed most places run a bus service. you are the one who is using that string of words



so the bottom line is you can't prove what you are saying?

even though someone earlier suggested it was easy to do?

so they would be wrong too then?





no it doesn't



I've not denied it at all. I've simply asked the person who made the claim to prove what they have said is true. so far they've been unable to prove what they said

on the other hand I've proved what you asked me to, which was pretty simple”

tim59
23-11-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“I was simply asking you to back up what you said, as you've made many statements that are false and that you can't back up and that was yet another one

plus contrary to what someone else posted, it's not easy to prove that point, is it?”

I have made no false statements, but if you want i could prove you have, as you tried to change things your words ( public transport runs every day of the year where i am.) well its a fact that trains are public transport and dont run on xmas day as been proved already. But that is more strange is a person would then say we have buses running everyday of the year were i live but then refuse to name the city, what harm can it do to name this city, unless you are just a WUM
PhilH36
23-11-2016
Christmas Day buses:

London: No service:

https://tfl.gov.uk/status-updates/ma...stmas-day-2016

Glasgow: No service:

https://www.firstgroup.com/greater-g...service-levels

Bristol and Bath, First Group: No service:

https://www.firstgroup.com/bristol-b...new-year-buses

Cumbria, Stagecoach: No service:

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos...-year-services

Nottingham: No service

https://www.nctx.co.uk/timetables-ti...r-buses-20167/

I did, however, find Christmas Day buses running on the Isle Of Wight, so maybe that's where he lives?

http://www.buscms.com/SouthernVectis...916_Xmas16.pdf
unique
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by tim59:
“I have made no false statements, but if you want i could prove you have, as you tried to change things your words ( public transport runs every day of the year where i am.) well its a fact that trains are public transport and dont run on xmas day as been proved already. But that is more strange is a person would then say we have buses running everyday of the year were i live but then refuse to name the city, what harm can it do to name this city, unless you are just a WUM”

you have made false statements. just have a read back on this thread as an example. i've pointed out some

you say there is no public transport on xmas day for example, but there is, and i've provided proof of that and at least one other person has also confirmed it

just because some public transport doesn't run on a particular day or there is a reduced service doesn't mean there is no service, or that public transport doesn't run. it sounds like you simply don't understand the meaning of what you are saying

just read back to see the rest

people may not want to say where they live for personal reasons. it's incredible that you can't realise that

as for a windup, you are the one who on a thread about retail outlets opening on boxing day, has argued for days about public transport running on a different day, refusing to accept proof or bothering to spend seconds googling to find that it does run. so perhaps you can see it from my point of view
Jane Doh!
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“you have made false statements. just have a read back on this thread as an example. i've pointed out some

you say there is no public transport on xmas day for example, but there is, and i've provided proof of that and at least one other person has also confirmed it

just because some public transport doesn't run on a particular day or there is a reduced service doesn't mean there is no service, or that public transport doesn't run. it sounds like you simply don't understand the meaning of what you are saying

just read back to see the rest

people may not want to say where they live for personal reasons. it's incredible that you can't realise that

as for a windup, you are the one who on a thread about retail outlets opening on boxing day, has argued for days about public transport running on a different day, refusing to accept proof or bothering to spend seconds googling to find that it does run. so perhaps you can see it from my point of view”

Did he say no public transport runs on Christmas Day? I thought he said most, in which case he is correct.
unique
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by Jane Doh!:
“Did he say no public transport runs on Christmas Day?”

words to that effect

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I thought he said most, in which case he is correct.”

and that's the problem with forums. people don't read and understand things clearly. even when it's in black in white in front of them which they can read as many times as they want

have a read back and see what he said

you may also note that you said something in your previous post about me that's also incorrect. i never said or suggested what you incorrectly jumped to the wrong conclusion about
Jane Doh!
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by tim59:
“Most places dont have public transport working on xmas day, as most public transport is run by the private sector and no point in running a service if the demand is not there, no money to be made. And in alot of places boxing day and new years day are sundays services on public transport.”

"Most places". I thought so.

Originally Posted by unique:
“words to that effect



and that's the problem with forums. people don't read and understand things clearly. even when it's in black in white in front of them which they can read as many times as they want

have a read back and see what he said

you may also note that you said something in your previous post about me that's also incorrect. i never said or suggested what you incorrectly jumped to the wrong conclusion about”

tim59
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“you have made false statements. just have a read back on this thread as an example. i've pointed out some

you say there is no public transport on xmas day for example, but there is, and i've provided proof of that and at least one other person has also confirmed it

just because some public transport doesn't run on a particular day or there is a reduced service doesn't mean there is no service, or that public transport doesn't run. it sounds like you simply don't understand the meaning of what you are saying

just read back to see the rest

people may not want to say where they live for personal reasons. it's incredible that you can't realise that

as for a windup, you are the one who on a thread about retail outlets opening on boxing day, has argued for days about public transport running on a different day, refusing to accept proof or bothering to spend seconds googling to find that it does run. so perhaps you can see it from my point of view”

I am not incorrect in my statement which was most places dont have public transport on xmas day. You come back and show 1 service in one city might be running xmas day and what would that amount too, 1 or 2 buses do you think the people of bristol will class that as having public transport running on xmas day ? So if there was 1 train running on xmas day you would class that public transport is running in the UK, yet thousands would not be running.. Sorry but saying no one knows you on DS by name or by looks, then i dont see a real problem of naming the city you live in which you claim is running buses. You are the one who made the statement that buses services run in your city but will not say which, so people have no way of comfirming this statement, so i believe you are a WUM nothing more. But here is something else boxing day might be one of the busiest shopping day in the UK but most places still only run a limited public transport on that day. Could that be because most people dont use public transport to go shopping.
dearmrman
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“you have made false statements. just have a read back on this thread as an example. i've pointed out some

you say there is no public transport on xmas day for example, but there is, and i've provided proof of that and at least one other person has also confirmed it

just because some public transport doesn't run on a particular day or there is a reduced service doesn't mean there is no service, or that public transport doesn't run. it sounds like you simply don't understand the meaning of what you are saying

just read back to see the rest

people may not want to say where they live for personal reasons. it's incredible that you can't realise that

as for a windup, you are the one who on a thread about retail outlets opening on boxing day, has argued for days about public transport running on a different day, refusing to accept proof or bothering to spend seconds googling to find that it does run. so perhaps you can see it from my point of view”

Actually you didn't unless I missed another link you posted, you provided a link for Bristol which said he was planning to run a service on Christmas Day, not he would be running a service.

The other poster confirmed an actual service that was running.
MinnieMinz
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by Harvey_Specter:
“I think it's reasonable to assume most places won't or don't run a bus service on Christmas day.

Take this article from Timeout last year for one of the busiest cities on the planet.

http://www.timeout.com/london/things...-new-years-eve

No Tube service Christmas day. No overground service Christmas day. No Bus service Christmas day. No River service Christmas day.

If you're being reasonable, it's easy to posit that if such a busy city closes all those services on Christmas day, that the rest of the country may follow a similar schedule. And that furthermore, the exceptions you may point to, do nothing other than highlight they are indeed exceptions and not the rule.”

I was going to post a Time Out Link myself. The posturing and nonsense from that poster has dragged this thread to death. Well done in proving what we all knew to be correct.
Harvey_Specter
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by MinnieMinz:
“I was going to post a Time Out Link myself. The posturing and nonsense from that poster has dragged this thread to death. Well done in proving what we all knew to be correct.”

Indeed it has, which is why I assume they conveniently ignored my post.

Oh and thank you.
unique
25-11-2016
Originally Posted by tim59:
“I am not incorrect in my statement which was most places dont have public transport on xmas day. You come back and show 1 service in one city might be running xmas day and what would that amount too, 1 or 2 buses do you think the people of bristol will class that as having public transport running on xmas day ? So if there was 1 train running on xmas day you would class that public transport is running in the UK, yet thousands would not be running..”

the problem of generalising as you've done is that different people will think different things, so what the people of brisol think will be a huge list of different thoughts

the simple fact of the matter is there is public transport running on xmas day on bristol, regardless of what anyone things

and yes, if public transport runs anywhere in the uk on xmas day, regardless of where it may not run, then of course public transport would be running in the uk, and as i and others have pointed out, and to which you can google and check yourself, public transport is running in the UK on xmas day



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Sorry but saying no one knows you on DS by name or by looks, then i dont see a real problem of naming the city you live in which you claim is running buses.”

i haven't said this. and some people do actually know me in person and know my account name here and read and are aware of my post

just because you don't see a problem, doesn't mean there's not a good reason for someone to post personal information they don't want to. the most important reason i would say is that someone simply does not want to provide such information

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You are the one who made the statement that buses services run in your city but will not say which, so people have no way of comfirming this statement, so i believe you are a WUM nothing more.”

you may have forgotten but this is a thread entitled "Petition says close shops on Boxing Day to spare workers" - yet you have argued for several days off topic about public transport running on a completely different day

i simply mentioned an offhand remark about buses running where i live on xmas day. i don't care if anyone believes me or not as it's neither relevant to this thread, nor in the slightest way important. myself and others have pointed out that public transport does indeed run on xmas day, so why on earth would you think that i would say buses run on xmas day where i live, if it's not true, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic?

the fact you have argued about something offtopic for days and haven't provided proof of your point, nor even said that you can't or that it's too difficult to do, contary to what someone else inferred, suggests to me that your discussion about public transport is a wind up because you've exhausted your discussion about the actual topic

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But here is something else boxing day might be one of the busiest shopping day in the UK but most places still only run a limited public transport on that day. Could that be because most people dont use public transport to go shopping.”

in general on any day of the year or on boxing day?

regardless of the answer it doesn't seem to have a huge amount to do with the thread topic, so it's a moot point really. even if public transport is limited, it still allows people to get around and there are other ways to travel without using public transport
unique
25-11-2016
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“Actually you didn't unless I missed another link you posted, you provided a link for Bristol which said he was planning to run a service on Christmas Day, not he would be running a service.

The other poster confirmed an actual service that was running.”

from that perspective, regardless of what timetables there are for tv, transport, concerts, work, etc, you don't consider it proof as potentially something may happen to which what was planned may not occur?

it's simply your opinion it's not proof. it is proof as far as the standard dictionary definitions of the word
Jane Doh!
25-11-2016
Originally Posted by unique:
“the problem of generalising as you've done is that different people will think different things, so what the people of brisol think will be a huge list of different thoughts

the simple fact of the matter is there is public transport running on xmas day on bristol, regardless of what anyone things

and yes, if public transport runs anywhere in the uk on xmas day, regardless of where it may not run, then of course public transport would be running in the uk, and as i and others have pointed out, and to which you can google and check yourself, public transport is running in the UK on xmas day





i haven't said this. and some people do actually know me in person and know my account name here and read and are aware of my post

just because you don't see a problem, doesn't mean there's not a good reason for someone to post personal information they don't want to. the most important reason i would say is that someone simply does not want to provide such information



you may have forgotten but this is a thread entitled "Petition says close shops on Boxing Day to spare workers" - yet you have argued for several days off topic about public transport running on a completely different day

i simply mentioned an offhand remark about buses running where i live on xmas day. i don't care if anyone believes me or not as it's neither relevant to this thread, nor in the slightest way important. myself and others have pointed out that public transport does indeed run on xmas day, so why on earth would you think that i would say buses run on xmas day where i live, if it's not true, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic?

the fact you have argued about something offtopic for days and haven't provided proof of your point, nor even said that you can't or that it's too difficult to do, contary to what someone else inferred, suggests to me that your discussion about public transport is a wind up because you've exhausted your discussion about the actual topic



in general on any day of the year or on boxing day?

regardless of the answer it doesn't seem to have a huge amount to do with the thread topic, so it's a moot point really. even if public transport is limited, it still allows people to get around and there are other ways to travel without using public transport”

You have argued for several days as well.

The poster said most places don't have public transport on Christmas Day which was entirely correct and you've argued for days about it.
Jane Doh!
27-11-2016
Originally Posted by Harvey_Specter:
“Indeed it has, which is why I assume they conveniently ignored my post.

Oh and thank you.”

And mine!
starry_rune
27-11-2016
I'm disgusted at this thread. 4 days a year the shops would be closed. 4 days. Less than a week out the whole year.

I saw my local cinema is open on Christmas day. We have lost our Christian values and have bowed down to the east
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