[jhiker]

I was umming & aah-ing about buying a new Moto phone to replace my original Moto-E and I particularly want a phone with Corning Gorilla glass.
I looked at several recent reviews of the G series and the E series, some mention GG, some don't, (most say they have it).
I went to the Motorola website to check the specifications and most of the phone descriptions do not mention it (they used to, but not any more).
However there are a couple of phones on there that specifically say they have GG and that's the Moto G3 (3rd gen) and the Moto G4 Plus.

Seeking clarification I contacted Mororola support and they replied...

As of now no Moto E series and Moto G series devices are manufactured with Gorilla Glass.

I pointed out the two phones on the website and they replied...

Moto G 3rd gen device is manufactured with gorilla glass 3 but it is a discontinued device and Moto G4 plus device is not manufactured with gorilla glass.

So..... almost all the recent tech reviews (not to mention sales descriptions) say the Moto G4 series (and Moto E for that matter) phones have Gorilla glass and that's simply untrue.

A colleague has had a G3 since it came out and there's not a scratch on it - he bought a G4 Plus recently and the screen is covered in scratches already.

It's really put me off buying Moto.

[Gort]

Other than the camera and a few trivial things, the Moto E 3rd Generation does seem to be a step down from the Moto E 2nd Generation. For instance, the 2nd generation does have Gorilla Glass. I believe that the processor of the 2nd is clocked faster than the 3rd Generation.

Maybe a bit of a sweeping statement, but it looks like the jump to Lenovo has resulted in a focus on cost cutting rather than innovation, at least for some of the models.

[Faust]

I would consider lack of NFC to be the biggest minus point. No NFC no Android Pay no Android Pay equals a poor Android experience.

[Satellite John]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhiker

I was umming & aah-ing about buying a new Moto phone to replace my original Moto-E and I particularly want a phone with Corning Gorilla glass.
I looked at several recent reviews of the G series and the E series, some mention GG, some don't, (most say they have it).
I went to the Motorola website to check the specifications and most of the phone descriptions do not mention it (they used to, but not any more).
However there are a couple of phones on there that specifically say they have GG and that's the Moto G3 (3rd gen) and the Moto G4 Plus.

Seeking clarification I contacted Mororola support and they replied...

As of now no Moto E series and Moto G series devices are manufactured with Gorilla Glass.

I pointed out the two phones on the website and they replied...

Moto G 3rd gen device is manufactured with gorilla glass 3 but it is a discontinued device and Moto G4 plus device is not manufactured with gorilla glass.

So..... almost all the recent tech reviews (not to mention sales descriptions) say the Moto G4 series (and Moto E for that matter) phones have Gorilla glass and that's simply untrue.

A colleague has had a G3 since it came out and there's not a scratch on it - he bought a G4 Plus recently and the screen is covered in scratches already.

It's really put me off buying Moto.

You are wrong about the Moto G4 Plus (and standard Moto G4), both of which definitely have Corning Gorilla Glass 3. Really, though Gorilla Glass 4 is more contemporary, but features on more expensive mobiles.

[Orbitalzone]

Hmm Moto's UK website certainly doesn't list Gorilla glass on the G4 Play and G4 but does say it has it on the G4 Plus
Moto G4 Plus

I have the G4 Plus and hit it with a hammer and dragged a stanley knife all over it and can confirm it's tough, I tried the same on my wife's G4 Play and the screen has smashed. I hope that helps clarify it.

Many reviews state they all have it, I wonder if it's an error by Moto or a more subtle move to reduce costs now they've got it reviewed and generally well received

/end cynic mode.

[d123]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satellite John

You are wrong about the Moto G4 Plus (and standard Moto G4), both of which definitely have Corning Gorilla Glass 3. Really, though Gorilla Glass 4 is more contemporary, but features on more expensive mobiles.

You say he's wrong when he has a statement from Lenovo/Moto to the effect there is no GG glass?

Quote:

I contacted Mororola support and they replied...

As of now no Moto E series and Moto G series devices are manufactured with Gorilla Glass

[Satellite John]

Quote:

Originally Posted by d123

You say he's wrong when he has a statement from Lenovo/Moto to the effect there is no GG glass?

Yeah, I don't really believe the original poster. Either confused or made up, it is not factual.

Granted Corning Gorilla Glass is only listed on Motorola's website on the Moto G4 Plus (which would be false advertising if the original poster was to be believed), but actually if you see the Plus and the standard G4 next to each other the screens and glass type are identical. I personally own the G4 Plus, and am currently using it as my everyday phone, and actually quite like it (no scratches on screen).

https://www.motorola.co.uk/products/moto-g-plus

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g4_plus-8050.php

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g4-8103.php

[d123]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satellite John

Yeah, I don't really believe the original poster. Either confused or made up, it is not factual.

Granted Corning Gorilla Glass is only listed on Motorola's website on the Moto G4 Plus (which would be false advertising if the original poster was to be believed), but actually if you see the Plus and the standard G4 next to each other the screens and glass type are identical. I personally own the G4 Plus, and am currently using it as my everyday phone, and actually quite like it (no scratches on screen).

Corning would also disagree with you, none of the new Moto models are on the Gorilla Glass list...

For Motorola the list on their site has the following devices:

Quote:

Motorola: New Moto G Moto X Pure Edition Nexus 6 DROID Turbo by Motorola Moto 360 by Motorola Moto G DROID MAXX by Motorola DROID MINI by Motorola DROID RAZR M by Motorola DROID ULTRA by Motorola Moto G by Motorola Moto X by Motorola Moto E by Motorola MOTOACTV New Moto X by Motorola Motorola Luge MOTOROLA XYBOARD 8.2 MOTOROLA XYBOARD 10.1 MOTOROLA XOOM 2 Media Edition MOTOROLA XOOM 2 MOTOROLA XOOM MOTOROLA XPRT MOTOROLA TRIUMPH MOTOROLA TITANIUM MOTOROLA RAZR MAXX Motorola RAZR i MOTOROLA RAZR MOTOROLA PRO+ MOTOROLA PHOTON 4G MOTOROLA MILESTONE MOTOROLA i1 MOTOROLA FLIPOUT MOTOROLA DROID X2 MOTOROLA DROID X MOTOROLA DROID RAZR MAXX HD MOTOROLA DROID RAZR MAXX MOTOROLA DROID RAZR in WHITE MOTOROLA DROID RAZR HD MOTOROLA DROID RAZR MOTOROLA DROID PRO MOTOROLA DROID BIONIC MOTOROLA DROID 3 MOTOROLA DROID 2 GLOBAL MOTOROLA DROID 2 MOTOROLA DROID MOTOROLA DEXT MOTOROLA DEVOUR MOTOROLA DEFY+ MOTOROLA DEFY MOTOROLA CLIQ XT MOTOROLA CLIQ 2 MOTOROLA CLIQ MOTOROLA CHARM MOTOROLA BRAVO MOTOROLA BACKFLIP MOTOROLA ATRIX 4G MOTOROLA ATRIX 2 MOTOROLA ADMIRAL

http://www.corning.com/gorillaglass/...ucts-list.html

Perhaps as the owner of one you are trying to make you hope that is has it into a reality?

[d123]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satellite John

Granted Corning Gorilla Glass is only listed on Motorola's website on the Moto G4 Plus (which would be false advertising if the original poster was to be believed)]

To add to this point, Lenovo/Motorola don't actually say it has Corning Gorilla Glass if you read what they say, they are quite clever in saying:

Quote:

5.5" Full HD display
Experience sharp and lifelike photos and videos, with the strength of Corning® Gorilla® Glass.

They just say it has the strength of Gorilla Glass, not that it is Gorilla Glass.

[Satellite John]

Moto G Plus 4th Gen Screen Scratch Test Gorilla Glass 3 video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiguHBG_Hy4


Moto G4 Plus - Drop Test (4K) video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEsLIkwVuAg

[CheshireBumpkin]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhiker

Seeking clarification I contacted Mororola support and they replied...

As of now no Moto E series and Moto G series devices are manufactured with Gorilla Glass.

Does the wording of this not suggest that models manufactured previously may have had GG, whereas anything coming out of the factory now doesn't?

Might explain some of the conflicting experiences, tests, information etc...

[Satellite John]

Quote:

Originally Posted by CheshireBumpkin

Does the wording of this not suggest that models manufactured previously may have had GG, whereas anything coming out of the factory now doesn't?

Might explain some of the conflicting experiences, tests, information etc...

I don't think so.

The Corning Gorilla Glass website is just out of date for Moto, and has not been updated to reflect any of the recent Moto releases (e.g. the Moto Z, which has Gorilla Glass 4).

The OP is just flat out wrong.

[blueisthecolour]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faust

I would consider lack of NFC to be the biggest minus point. No NFC no Android Pay no Android Pay equals a poor Android experience.

I've never used Android Pay. Isn't it just another contactless payment system? My main bankcard doesn't even have that at the moment.

[jhiker]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satellite John

Yeah, I don't really believe the original poster. Either confused or made up, it is not factual. The OP is just flat out wrong.

Why should I make it up?

I sought clarification from Motorola and received an unambiguous response(s).

Read bottom up if you can be arsed...

Dear Jeffrey ,
We are sorry for the inconvenience caused to you.
Moto G 3rd gen device is manufactured with gorilla glass 3 but it is discontinued device and Moto G4 plus device is not manufactured with gorilla glass.

For any further assistance or information please do not hesitate to contact us, quoting your Customer Reference number. We are reachable on 03339 997 550 to discuss the matter further with one of our experienced customer service agents. Please contact us any time between the hours of 8am and 6pm from Monday to Friday.

Kind regards,
Pradyumna.

Motorola Mobility UK Ltd.
www.motorola.com

Customer By Email (Jeffrey) (12/11/2016 02.00 PM)
https://www.motorola.co.uk/products/moto-g-plus
https://www.motorola.co.uk/products/moto-g-gen-3
But it specifically says on those pages that both the G3 and the G4 Plus have Corning Gorilla glass.
Can you clarify please?
Thank you.

On 12 Nov 2016, at 09:12, Motorola Support motorola_uk@mailwc.custhelp.com wrote:
Response By Email (Pradyumna) (12/11/2016 09.12 AM)
Customer Reference number: xxxxxxxx

Dear Jeffrey ,
We are very sorry to inform that Moto E Power in India is not manufactured with Gorilla glass.

For any further assistance or information please do not hesitate to contact us, quoting your Customer Reference number. We are reachable on 03339 997 550 to discuss the matter further with one of our experienced customer service agents. Please contact us any time between the hours of 8am and 6pm from Monday to Friday.

Kind regards,
Pradyumna.

Motorola Mobility UK Ltd.
www.motorola.com
Customer By Email (Jeffrey) (11/11/2016 07.30 PM)
Thank you for the reply. Can you tell me whether the Moto E Power on sale in India has Corning Gorilla glass.
Many thanks.

On 11 Nov 2016, at 13:09, Motorola Support motorola_uk@mailwc.custhelp.com wrote:
Response By Email (Pradyumna) (11/11/2016 01.09 PM)
Customer Reference number: xxxxxxxx

Dear Jeffrey ,
Thank you for contacting Motorola.
My name is Pradyumna from E-mail support.
Thank you for showing interest in Motorola.
Thank you for providing Information.

As if now no Moto E series and Moto G series devices are manufactured with Gorilla Glass.

For any further assistance or information please do not hesitate to contact us, quoting your Customer Reference number. We are reachable on 03339 997 550 to discuss the matter further with one of our experienced customer service agents. Please contact us any time between the hours of 8am and 6pm from Monday to Friday.

Kind regards,
Pradyumna.

Motorola Mobility UK Ltd.
www.motorola.com

[d123]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satellite John

I don't think so.

The Corning Gorilla Glass website is just out of date for Moto, and has not been updated to reflect any of the recent Moto releases (e.g. the Moto Z, which has Gorilla Glass 4).

The list is up to date.

Quote:

The OP is just flat out wrong.

That really seems to be your fervent wish.

The OP is wrong, Motorola is wrong, Corning is wrong...

Only John is right?

[Satellite John]

Quote:

Originally Posted by d123

The list is up to date.



That really seems to be your fervent wish.

The OP is wrong, Motorola is wrong, Corning is wrong...

Only John is right?

In this case, it does look that way.

The Corning website is somewhat out of date for Moto, not just for Moto E or Moto G.

Customer services representatives do frequently get things wrong, particularly on more technical aspects.

On Motorola.co.uk they write for the G4 Plus:

5.5" Full HD display
Experience sharp and lifelike photos and videos, with the strength of Corning® Gorilla® Glass.

https://www.motorola.co.uk/products/moto-g-plus

That does actually mean the phone has Corning Gorilla Glass.

I have also written this post, using my Moto G4 Plus, tapping this out on a screen that is clearly Corning Gorilla Glass.

The only possibility of the original poster being correct is that in some other markets there might be some other variants of the Moto G4 / G4 Plus that do not include Gorilla Glass, but the Europe version definitely does have it

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g4_plus-8050.php

[jonmorris]

How can you tell what is Gorilla Glass, as against another toughened glass?

[Satellite John]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

How can you tell what is Gorilla Glass, as against another toughened glass?

Other than iPhones, which use some other different, but really good glass, the only smartphones I have ever held with toughened, but not Gorilla Glass were the Nokia Lumia 520 and some sort of Huawei, and if you simply knock it, they felt much less substantial glass (I did not do any scratching, obviously, but see the Youtube videos linked above of the G4 Plus scratch and drop tests).

Gorilla Glass is good stuff, I think probably slightly better than the ion-strengthened glass of recent iPhones.

I think the confusion here is actually over Moto ShatterShield, which the Moto G does not have:

https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-shattershield

[jonmorris]

Sony phones also came with a different glass. Corning isn't the only player, and obviously it promotes itself as being the best - but sometimes you have to wonder if the tech press merely talk about Corning as the best because it's the only company they really know about.

[jhiker]

Well, the published information is confusing, that's why I asked for clarification from Motorola.
Maybe their reply was wrong, I don't know. I'm just reporting what they told me.

John reckons.. 'Customer services representatives do frequently get things wrong, particularly on more technical aspects', but it's hardly technical - it's a basic feature which previously has been pushed as a very worthwhile advantage/selling point.
In that case why wouldn't they mention it in the specs for the G4 E3, etc. as they do for the G4 Plus.

Dunno - perhaps someone else would care to contact Mororola UK customer services and see what they say. They are fairly quick to respond.

[jonmorris]

Motorola seemed to get confused about which phones/variants/colours had dual SIM. I do wonder what's up with Lenovo, as it was never that complicated originally (when the Moto G and E first came out).