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Old 15-11-2016, 13:21
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Whilst I was pleased for Ed & Katya that they sealed their place at Blackpool - they were very entertaining, one cannot deny - I was nevertheless disappointed to see who was in the dance off and even more so when the results unfolded.

It's always going to be down to personal opinion on here, but I've detected a good deal of antipathy towards Daisy during the show to date, so to find her in the dance off for the third time - and voted off as well - although not entirely surprising, was nevertheless a massive disappointment and, to my mind, a serious miscarriage of justice.

Daisy is a sublime dancer with a lovely personality, whereas I find Greg rather wooden and the Judge chap is just a joke. In my book, if Ed wasn't going to be in the dance off, then those two should have been fighting for their place at Blackpool, not Daisy.

Hopefully I'll still enjoy what's to come .. Claudia and Louise are both serious contenders for the glitter ball trophy and it would be nice to see them put one over on the men.
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Old 15-11-2016, 13:31
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Whilst I was pleased for Ed & Katya that they sealed their place at Blackpool - they were very entertaining, one cannot deny - I was nevertheless disappointed to see who was in the dance off and even more so when the results unfolded.

It's always going to be down to personal opinion on here, but I've detected a good deal of antipathy towards Daisy during the show to date, so to find her in the dance off for the third time - and voted off as well - although not entirely surprising, was nevertheless a massive disappointment and, to my mind, a serious miscarriage of justice.

Daisy is a sublime dancer with a lovely personality, whereas I find Greg rather wooden and the Judge chap is just a joke. In my book, if Ed wasn't going to be in the dance off, then those two should have been fighting for their place at Blackpool, not Daisy.

Hopefully I'll still enjoy what's to come .. Claudia and Louise are both serious contenders for the glitter ball trophy and it would be nice to see them put one over on the men.
We're still in the period where the "entertainers" are still getting the votes.
It's the same every year, better dancers get eliminated unfairly, if the dancing ability was the main criteria.

But I'm pretty sure Ed won't make the final.
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Old 15-11-2016, 13:39
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It's always going to be down to personal opinion on here.
It's all down to public opinion on the public vote as well and that's the problem. Not enough people shared your opinion. Daisy isn't the first nice person to be dumped out of Strictly due to a lack of votes and she won't be the last either.
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Old 15-11-2016, 13:40
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Public didn't vote for Daisy and she was outdanced in the dance off. Not really a miscarriage of justice in my opinion.
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Old 15-11-2016, 13:54
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John Sargent, bless him, summed up the problem when he quit i.e. there was no way of voting him OUT.

Or at least it was far, far easier to vote him in than vote him out.
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Old 15-11-2016, 13:59
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We're still in the period where the "entertainers" are still getting the votes.
It's the same every year, better dancers get eliminated unfairly, if the dancing ability was the main criteria.

But I'm pretty sure Ed won't make the final.
I agree. Ed may have one more week after Blackpool and then the voters will not want to see genuine contenders leave.
Greg could be in danger on Saturday IMO
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:32
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There was nothing stopping Aljaz making Daisy's dance more entertaining.

Her dance was just a load of connected things each given the same amount of time one after the other, things which looked better should have been identified and performed for longer and exaggerated more.

Every time something good started it seemed to stop soon after.

Overall the dance ended up not resonating with the voters.
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:35
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Whilst I was pleased for Ed & Katya that they sealed their place at Blackpool - they were very entertaining, one cannot deny - I was nevertheless disappointed to see who was in the dance off and even more so when the results unfolded.

It's always going to be down to personal opinion on here, but I've detected a good deal of antipathy towards Daisy during the show to date, so to find her in the dance off for the third time - and voted off as well - although not entirely surprising, was nevertheless a massive disappointment and, to my mind, a serious miscarriage of justice.

Daisy is a sublime dancer with a lovely personality, whereas I find Greg rather wooden and the Judge chap is just a joke. In my book, if Ed wasn't going to be in the dance off, then those two should have been fighting for their place at Blackpool, not Daisy.

Hopefully I'll still enjoy what's to come .. Claudia and Louise are both serious contenders for the glitter ball trophy and it would be nice to see them put one over on the men.
Well luckily its an entertainment show not a court of law. So Daisy can join the long line of "wuz robbed" with Pixie, Austin et.al. Does that help you feel better about it.
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:57
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It is an entertainment show involving slebs learning dances. Full stop. With very few exceptions, the slebs are not looking to win in order to make a career out of dancing. If it was very seriously about the best dancer, the GBP would not be given a vote. Especially a vote that says "to vote for your favourite.........." as opposed to voting for the best dancer. Not that I have any idea about the technicailties of the foxtrot or rumba. I just know what I like, and vote accordingly. I am sure a great many people do the same. Justice has never come into it - why would it on an entertainment show?
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:30
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People are told to vote for their "favourite". Dancing ability is just one factor some choose.

Personally, Daisy's bored me from the start (with the exception of her charleston) and was fair to go at this point in my book. But I'd be just as happy at Greg going so I had no complaints over that particular dance off.

Media such as this will always be subjective. We're all right. We're also all wrong!
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:35
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People are told to vote for their "favourite". Dancing ability is just one factor some choose.

Personally, Daisy's bored me from the start (with the exception of her charleston) and was fair to go at this point in my book. But I'd be just as happy at Greg going so I had no complaints over that particular dance off.

Media such as this will always be subjective. We're all right. We're also all wrong!
BIB. Absolutely correct!
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:56
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Entertainment and Justice in Platonic forms.

The thread is ridiculous but made me titter.
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Old 15-11-2016, 16:23
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As others have alluded to, what's 'justice' got to do with it? I think people need to get out of the mindset that SCD is meant to be a serious dancing competition, where the best dancer is always supposed to win. It isn't. If it was, everyone would have to start at roughly the same level of talent to make it fair, so you'd either have to have twelve established dancers, or twelve no-hopers, but they don't. It's a show where the most popular dancer tends to win. I think, by and large, the best dancer usually is the most popular, and that person goes on to win (last year was an exception, IMO), but that doesn't have to be the case. Having said that, the GBP aren't completely blind and talent usually wins out by about the semi-final stage.
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Old 15-11-2016, 16:35
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Provided he doesn't actually win all that is happening is people are going one week earlier than they otherwise would have done, so not a problem.
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Old 15-11-2016, 16:35
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I think she was an good dancer rather than sublime but not really improving much and with no wow dances. And I hardly think she was that unpopular considering the amount of people who seem inordinately attached to her - or her legs.

I don't think anyone has gone who was likely to make the final so it seems pretty fair to me so far.
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Old 15-11-2016, 16:44
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Public didn't vote for Daisy and she was outdanced in the dance off. Not really a miscarriage of justice in my opinion.
Have to agree. I was surprised to find Daisy in the dance off, but Greg really did pull out all the stops & out danced her on the night.
There was nothing stopping Aljaz making Daisy's dance more entertaining.

Her dance was just a load of connected things each given the same amount of time one after the other, things which looked better should have been identified and performed for longer and exaggerated more.

Every time something good started it seemed to stop soon after.

Overall the dance ended up not resonating with the voters.
On reflection have to agree with all of this, didn't see it at first, but her dancing/choreography shown right next to Greg's, showed the difference.
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Old 15-11-2016, 16:48
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John Sargent, bless him, summed up the problem when he quit i.e. there was no way of voting him OUT.

Or at least it was far, far easier to vote him in than vote him out.
I believe that hadn't he quit, he would have made the final. I'm not saying he would win, probably not, but I think it is very likely that he would at least have reached the final.

We have had several "comedy contestants" since Sergeant, but I haven't seen this level of media attention, enthusiasm and support for a CC since Sergeant himself. On Sunday and Monday every single paper had a story about Ed's Gangnan Style salsa, even The Guardian had a piece on it (well, the Guardian runs a SCD liveblog every Sat, so maybe that's not so surprising).

As for injustice, once I accepted that SCD is not a pure dance competition and the best dancer not always wins, I don't get annoyed with the results anymore, I learnt to enjoy it for what it is, an entertainment programme.
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Old 15-11-2016, 17:11
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If John made the final he would have won, because given the way the last few weeks fell it would have been a 3 person final vs Rachel and Lisa with Tom and Austin both having been taken out in consecutive weeks. He would have cleaned house on them. Whether John wins or not if he doesn't quit depends more on whether his vote holds up against the popular men in the weeks up to the final. It'd just be a straight race between the three of them to see which of them beats the ladies.
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Old 15-11-2016, 17:19
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I believe that hadn't he quit, he would have made the final. I'm not saying he would win, probably not, but I think it is very likely that he would at least have reached the final.

We have had several "comedy contestants" since Sergeant, but I haven't seen this level of media attention, enthusiasm and support for a CC since Sergeant himself. On Sunday and Monday every single paper had a story about Ed's Gangnan Style salsa, even The Guardian had a piece on it (well, the Guardian runs a SCD liveblog every Sat, so maybe that's not so surprising).

As for injustice, once I accepted that SCD is not a pure dance competition and the best dancer not always wins, I don't get annoyed with the results anymore, I learnt to enjoy it for what it is, an entertainment programme.
He might survive Blackpool, but I think he'll be out next week.

Someone better has to go this week for it to happen if he's not in the dance-off, it could be any of, Ore, Rinder or Greg. It won't be any of the others.
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Old 15-11-2016, 17:24
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Yep, that sounds about right, Lisa and Rachel were never popular, especially Lisa. He would easily have beaten them.
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Old 15-11-2016, 18:30
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its a ballroom dancing show and he cant dance its a shame better dancers such as Lesley, Daisy etc have all gone before him
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Old 15-11-2016, 18:37
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its a ballroom dancing show and he cant dance its a shame better dancers such as Lesley, Daisy etc have all gone before him
It is actually an entertainment show. That is how BBC bills it.
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:12
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I believe that hadn't he quit, he would have made the final. I'm not saying he would win, probably not, but I think it is very likely that he would at least have reached the final.
I'm not sure he would have won either but the key fact that Sargent realised was, potentially, a minority of people who wanted him to win could defeat a majority who didn't want him to win.

That's a lesson from our political system so it's natural that he would get that.
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:51
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It is actually an entertainment show. That is how BBC bills it.
That's what I keep hearing on these boards, but when I looked around, I can't actually find that wording from the BBC. I see things about "Celebrities take to the dance floor to perform a dazzling display of ballroom routines," but nothing about "this is a purely entertainment show." Actually, not even "this is an entertainment show".

I mean, I don't doubt that it's an entertainment show, but the entertainment is through celebrities learning how to dance. It's not exactly a comedy sketch show.

(Not that I'd agree with the whole "injustice" part of the OP, but I'm baffled at people's determination to pretend that Strictly Come Dancing has so little to do with dancing.)
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:54
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That's what I keep hearing on these boards, but when I looked around, I can't actually find that wording from the BBC. I see things about "Celebrities take to the dance floor to perform a dazzling display of ballroom routines," but nothing about "this is a purely entertainment show." Actually, not even "this is an entertainment show".

I mean, I don't doubt that it's an entertainment show, but the entertainment is through celebrities learning how to dance. It's not exactly a comedy sketch show.

(Not that I'd agree with the whole "injustice" part of the OP, but I'm baffled at people's determination to pretend that Strictly Come Dancing has so little to do with dancing.)
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“Out of the blue, I said ‘ballroom dan*cing’.

“My vision was for an entertainment show first and foremost, with celebrities out of their comfort zone.”

And so the global phenomenon was born – although Fenia admits that at the beginning, most critics thought the idea was preposterous.
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