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I believe that hadn't he quit, he would have made the final. I'm not saying he would win, probably not, but I think it is very likely that he would at least have reached the final.
We have had several "comedy contestants" since Sergeant, but I haven't seen this level of media attention, enthusiasm and support for a CC since Sergeant himself. On Sunday and Monday every single paper had a story about Ed's Gangnan Style salsa, even The Guardian had a piece on it (well, the Guardian runs a SCD liveblog every Sat, so maybe that's not so surprising). As for injustice, once I accepted that SCD is not a pure dance competition and the best dancer not always wins, I don't get annoyed with the results anymore, I learnt to enjoy it for what it is, an entertainment programme. Personally, I did not like him as a politician but I have really warmed to him as a person and am rooting for him. Loved his Gangnam Style and I hope he gets to the final. I would actually like to see someone win who has not had lots of dance experience. Don't tell me Danny or Louise have never had training, they are just too good. I would actually like Ore to win but me thinks it will be Danny... |
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John Sargent, bless him, summed up the problem when he quit i.e. there was no way of voting him OUT.
Or at least it was far, far easier to vote him in than vote him out. Fact is that Ed is giving it his all, has some moves in there (in comparison to sergeant/murray widdecombe,etc., and if the public want to keep him in for a while so be it. |
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Ah, see, I was looking for actual billing. No wonder I couldn't find it.
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Another way of looking at it though is asking what's "just" about pitting a middle-aged guy with no dance or performance experience against younger, fitter, trained celebs who get a head start from the judges before the voting lines open. It's hardly as if everything's stacked in Ed's favour. If he's overcoming the odds and getting through then more power to him. It's not unfair, it's the show.
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I enjoyed Tameka's dances more than Daisy's but she left really early. I agree with Ian on ITT that Daisy needed to get more down with the dance. It was too rigid and controlled, she needed to loosen up. He said it was training so she'd get there on the night but I don't think she did.
I have an "it all works out the way its supposed to" attitude to Strictly. Even if my own personal favourite doesn't win, it's usually someone who deserves the victory. I also don't vote so can't grumble too much haha |
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I mean, I don't doubt that it's an entertainment show, but the entertainment is through celebrities learning how to dance. It's not exactly a comedy sketch show.
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Ah, see, I was looking for actual billing. No wonder I couldn't find it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/16rGc8M34fT0wWYmrSMc8Cp/about |
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I think this year, it's Ed-tertainment.
I'll get my coat ........ |
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I don't see the 'problem'. If the criteria is 'strictly dancing' then NONE of those tens would have been given out. Sure the top-dwellers have dancing experience, but they are way below the standard of the pros. So the jooodges are giving false marks out to the top 'favourites' as well as the bottom dwellers, who they want to keep there.
Fact is that Ed is giving it his all, has some moves in there (in comparison to sergeant/murray widdecombe,etc., and if the public want to keep him in for a while so be it. Of course in this show there are lots of other inequalities some of which work against someone like Balls (e.g. age) and some of which are in his favour (e.g. ties on the LB). It's a complicated interaction and obviously a matter of opinion as to the optimal configuration of the rules. |
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Whilst I was pleased for Ed & Katya that they sealed their place at Blackpool - they were very entertaining, one cannot deny - I was nevertheless disappointed to see who was in the dance off and even more so when the results unfolded.
It's always going to be down to personal opinion on here, but I've detected a good deal of antipathy towards Daisy during the show to date, so to find her in the dance off for the third time - and voted off as well - although not entirely surprising, was nevertheless a massive disappointment and, to my mind, a serious miscarriage of justice. Daisy is a sublime dancer with a lovely personality, whereas I find Greg rather wooden and the Judge chap is just a joke. In my book, if Ed wasn't going to be in the dance off, then those two should have been fighting for their place at Blackpool, not Daisy. Hopefully I'll still enjoy what's to come .. Claudia and Louise are both serious contenders for the glitter ball trophy and it would be nice to see them put one over on the men. Also with a postive vote there isn't antipathy towards a person who doesn't get it's something more akin to relative indifference. They cared more about other people than they did about you if you don't get a postive vote. This kinda of figures because Daisy's latin wasn't bad but it wasn't particularly stimulating either it had a tendancy to be a bit meh - and that's kinda of fatal in a positive vote. |
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If John made the final he would have won, because given the way the last few weeks fell it would have been a 3 person final vs Rachel and Lisa with Tom and Austin both having been taken out in consecutive weeks. He would have cleaned house on them. Whether John wins or not if he doesn't quit depends more on whether his vote holds up against the popular men in the weeks up to the final. It'd just be a straight race between the three of them to see which of them beats the ladies.
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That's what I keep hearing on these boards, but when I looked around, I can't actually find that wording from the BBC. I see things about "Celebrities take to the dance floor to perform a dazzling display of ballroom routines," but nothing about "this is a purely entertainment show." Actually, not even "this is an entertainment show".
I mean, I don't doubt that it's an entertainment show, but the entertainment is through celebrities learning how to dance. It's not exactly a comedy sketch show. (Not that I'd agree with the whole "injustice" part of the OP, but I'm baffled at people's determination to pretend that Strictly Come Dancing has so little to do with dancing.) |
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I think this year, it's Ed-tertainment.
I'll get my coat ........ |
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It is an entertainment show involving slebs learning dances. Full stop. With very few exceptions, the slebs are not looking to win in order to make a career out of dancing. If it was very seriously about the best dancer, the GBP would not be given a vote. Especially a vote that says "to vote for your favourite.........." as opposed to voting for the best dancer. Not that I have any idea about the technicailties of the foxtrot or rumba. I just know what I like, and vote accordingly. I am sure a great many people do the same. Justice has never come into it - why would it on an entertainment show?
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As others have alluded to, what's 'justice' got to do with it? I think people need to get out of the mindset that SCD is meant to be a serious dancing competition, where the best dancer is always supposed to win. It isn't. If it was, everyone would have to start at roughly the same level of talent to make it fair, so you'd either have to have twelve established dancers, or twelve no-hopers, but they don't. It's a show where the most popular dancer tends to win. I think, by and large, the best dancer usually is the most popular, and that person goes on to win (last year was an exception, IMO), but that doesn't have to be the case. Having said that, the GBP aren't completely blind and talent usually wins out by about the semi-final stage.
![]() It is a family show on a Saturday night and the constant negativity is sooooooo tedious. *yawn* |
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That's what I keep hearing on these boards, but when I looked around, I can't actually find that wording from the BBC. I see things about "Celebrities take to the dance floor to perform a dazzling display of ballroom routines," but nothing about "this is a purely entertainment show." Actually, not even "this is an entertainment show".
I mean, I don't doubt that it's an entertainment show, but the entertainment is through celebrities learning how to dance. It's not exactly a comedy sketch show. (Not that I'd agree with the whole "injustice" part of the OP, but I'm baffled at people's determination to pretend that Strictly Come Dancing has so little to do with dancing.) Quote:
Also, the BBC website lists its genre as "entertainment", a little down this page:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/arti...mrSMc8Cp/about |
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Daisy was always up against it - In the dance off three times, and although I thought there was some slight improvements. There simply wasn't enough of anything for people to get excited about..
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daisy is a lovely girl and was a pretty dancer.
Ed SAVED 2016. |
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Daisy was overmarked for her dancing from week 1. I am still amazed that anyone can continue with the myth that Daisy was even a mediocre dancer. Her timing was awful, her actually dancing was restricted to mere shuffling at times.
And claiming she was better than Greg in the dance off really is taking blind adulation too far, she barely moved during the whole dance, she had either given up all ready or she was so arrogant as to believe she would be saved by the judges again so didn't need to bother. Sublime dancer, good grief. |
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It's kinda of both - it's an entertainment show based on dancing and the person who wins usually strikes some sort of balance between the two. It's not always the 'best' dancer but it's the 'worst' either.
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Well, that's kind of my point. Yes, it's an entertainment show, but the focus of the entertainment is on dancing, not just messing about. The show is about both entertainment and dancing, so pure entertainment without the dancing is a bit pointless, isn't it?
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Except Ed is actually dancing. Widdy didn't dance at all and Ed does you can argue about the quantity and quality of it but there are dance steps in there and a lot of fun.
Yvette Cooper was on Daily Politics this week. Unsurprisingly the conversation went on to SCD (which has absolutely nothing to do with politics!). She said Ed loved it, was taking learning to dance really seriously, was rehearsing up to 8 hours a day, and was even practicing in the kitchen. She said she was glad that he had brought such joy to a great many people. Hear, hear. |
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daisy seems like a lovely person but she wasn't a great dancer. her cool vibe worked for some dances but for others just made her look a bit floppy and weak.
ed has one more week (greg) then he really needs to go. |
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Justice, who the heck uses words like that when describing the end of a celebrities participation in SCD? Oh yeah I know some poor deluded soul who thinks Daisy is some sort of messiah.
Saddos all. |
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And he really is trying hard to get the steps right. Even the judges say he has great timing.
Yvette Cooper was on Daily Politics this week. Unsurprisingly the conversation went on to SCD (which has absolutely nothing to do with politics!). She said Ed loved it, was taking learning to dance really seriously, was rehearsing up to 8 hours a day, and was even practicing in the kitchen. She said she was glad that he had brought such joy to a great many people. Hear, hear. Once he's out you can bet he'll never dance again and put back any of the weight loss he's achieved, like so many others who've gone before him. Carole Kirkwood being one of the exceptions, who seems still to have held onto the weight loss she achieved and looks amazing. Can't say the same for the accuracy of the weather forecasts. |
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its a ballroom dancing show and he cant dance its a shame better dancers such as Lesley, Daisy etc have all gone before him
looks like dancing to me
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