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Soapfan678
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“You think so? I get there are a lot of people who don't like Robron but this Kerry nonsense and Tracy/David crap in the summer was 1 billion times worse than anything with Robron.



Had the ratings gone up since Robron was created though?”

I agree with that point. Kerry is being ruined and the David/Tracy show in the Summer was awful. Soap producers do need to stop taking notice of Twitter and Facebook users and going along with what they want though. I mean in general. They don't speak for everyone.

As for Rebecca and Robert, maybe Rebecca wants revenge on Robert with her advances? Maybe Robert only kissed Rebecca back, to keep her sweet, to help get Andy justice? I think they are both playing games.
Mark_Washingto1
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Soapfan678:
“I agree with that point. Kerry is being ruined and the David/Tracy show in the Summer was awful. Soap producers do need to stop taking notice of Twitter and Facebook users and going along with what they want though. They don't speak for everyone.>:(”

To be fair though social media has replaced the need for focus groups Soaps, used get focus group together to gauge audience what the audience liked and disliked on the show. With the dawn of Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Snapchat TPTB are now able to get a much larger sample group and theoretically get a better idea of how the audience is responding to the show.
lucy_marwood
15-11-2016
There is a large selection of these fans that really are insufferable, a lot of them are trying to make out Emmerdale are bigots for that scene as it shows that bisexual men can not stay faithful which is an ignorant stereotype that they are furious about. I would argue it merely shows that Robert cannot stay faithful which is true to his hsitory, surely if he was able to stay faithful to a man but not women that would make his a repressed homosexual which is also an ignorant stereotype of bisexual men. The irony seems lost on them.
Mark_Washingto1
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by lucy_marwood:
“There is a large selection of these fans that really are insufferable, a lot of them are trying to make out Emmerdale are bigots for that scene as it shows that bisexual men can not stay faithful which is an ignorant stereotype that they are furious about. I would argue it merely shows that Robert cannot stay faithful which is true to his hsitory, surely if he was able to stay faithful to a man but not women that would make his a repressed homosexual which is also an ignorant stereotype of bisexual men. The irony seems lost on them.”

LOL no body on Emmerdale is faithful, if a 70 year old man who has never worked an honest day in his life and has been married for 20+ years can cheat on his wife every couple is fair game.
sorcha_healy27
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by lucy_marwood:
“There is a large selection of these fans that really are insufferable, a lot of them are trying to make out Emmerdale are bigots for that scene as it shows that bisexual men can not stay faithful which is an ignorant stereotype that they are furious about. I would argue it merely shows that Robert cannot stay faithful which is true to his hsitory, surely if he was able to stay faithful to a man but not women that would make his a repressed homosexual which is also an ignorant stereotype of bisexual men. The irony seems lost on them.”

What I hate about robron is the accusations of homophobia if you dislike them as a couple. Even though straight couples like kerry/dan get as much dislike as them

I'm guilty of robronphobia and that's it
Andybear
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“I thought Jai was better as psycho, I thought that goody goody stuff with Holly was cringeworty and didn't fit with his character.”

When Jai was first in Emmerdale he was 'goody goody' as you put it. Him being nasty was a personality transplant and when he was with Holly he went back to the way he was when he was first in ED.
Mark_Washingto1
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“When Jai was first in Emmerdale he was 'goody goody' as you put it. Him being nasty was a personality transplant and when he was with Holly he went back to the way he was when he was first in ED.”

Well I started watching when Jai and Charity were in the middle of their divorce so I am used to evil douche bag Jai that locks people in shipping containers.
Andybear
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Well I started watching when Jai and Charity were in the middle of their divorce so I am used to evil douche bag Jai that locks people in shipping containers.”

Now I understand why you think like you do. Jai really was lovely when he first came into it. Then he married Charity and shagged Rachel who had Archie and that's when his personality transplant occurred.
trevor tiger
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by lucy_marwood:
“There is a large selection of these fans that really are insufferable, a lot of them are trying to make out Emmerdale are bigots for that scene as it shows that bisexual men can not stay faithful which is an ignorant stereotype that they are furious about. I would argue it merely shows that Robert cannot stay faithful which is true to his hsitory, surely if he was able to stay faithful to a man but not women that would make his a repressed homosexual which is also an ignorant stereotype of bisexual men. The irony seems lost on them.”

Well Emmerdale only have themselves to blame for that. They had Robert pointing out the unfairness of assuming he'd cheat because he was bisexual and I understand they received some plaudits from part of the bisexual community for that and because of this portrayal. I'm pleased if this has now backfired and Emmerdale are being berated for it as they are always happy enough to receive the pat on the back for tackling issues when we all know it's only ratings that they are after

Originally Posted by Soapfan678:
“I agree with that point. Kerry is being ruined and the David/Tracy show in the Summer was awful. Soap producers do need to stop taking notice of Twitter and Facebook users and going along with what they want though. I mean in general. They don't speak for everyone.

As for Rebecca and Robert, maybe Rebecca wants revenge on Robert with her advances? Maybe Robert only kissed Rebecca back, to keep her sweet, to help get Andy justice? I think they are both playing games.”

Considering huge swathes of social media were desperate for Robron and are horrified at the pairing of Rebecca and Robert I don't actually think they are listening that closely.

Maybe they are punishing them a bit for being so demanding
Ancalagon
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“Now I understand why you think like you do. Jai really was lovely when he first came into it. Then he married Charity and shagged Rachel who had Archie and that's when his personality transplant occurred.”

It's strange, he used to be such a kind, caring and warm person and Nikhil was the abrasive one (though that was more to do with his ineptness at social interaction than the fact he was nasty) I literally hate every scene with Jai these days, nasty spiteful man.
Ancalagon
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by lucy_marwood:
“There is a large selection of these fans that really are insufferable, a lot of them are trying to make out Emmerdale are bigots for that scene as it shows that bisexual men can not stay faithful which is an ignorant stereotype that they are furious about. I would argue it merely shows that Robert cannot stay faithful which is true to his hsitory, surely if he was able to stay faithful to a man but not women that would make his a repressed homosexual which is also an ignorant stereotype of bisexual men. The irony seems lost on them.”

Exactly, people are quick to forget the character traits and just see how they can be offended or outraged etc

Robert, straight, bi or gay is a dog who has always cheated/had low morals and been quite ruthless. That won't change just because he is bisexual.
trevor tiger
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“The ratings are dropping steady because the long term viewers are sick of the pandering to the social media crowd.”

Really. You don't think it's the utter drivel they are showing nowadys that is responsible for that

Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Nope, Aaron would beat Robert's ass and be on to the next....maybe Adam perhaps”

Aaron really hates gays doesn't he
sorcha_healy27
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Ancalagon:
“Exactly, people are quick to forget the character traits and just see how they can be offended or outraged etc

Robert, straight, bi or gay is a dog who has always cheated/had low morals and been quite ruthless. That won't change just because he is bisexual.”

Given they've retconned his past they can't now turn around and say but robert has always been like this though. They've only themselves to blame
Mark_Washingto1
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“ Really. You don't think it's the utter drivel they are showing nowadys that is responsible for that



Aaron really hates gays doesn't he ”

LOL, well Robert isn't gay remember he's bi
trevor tiger
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“LOL, well Robert isn't gay remember he's bi”

I know
sheepiefarm
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Ancalagon:
“Exactly, people are quick to forget the character traits and just see how they can be offended or outraged etc

Robert, straight, bi or gay is a dog who has always cheated/had low morals and been quite ruthless. That won't change just because he is bisexual.”

But that doesn't fit the fanfiction fantasy the show's been selling to the fandom.
They're voting power has won the show numerous awards - and they think the show is now beholden to them and the show should give them the storyline they want.


The main problem is - the Robron narrative has been as inconsistent as much of its other storylines. It sells Robron the love-story when it needs the fans to vote for it (the disneyesque engagement just happened to coincide with the voting period for the NTA's - and you can bet this fandom voted like frenzy after that episode.
Of course - the voting's closed now - so the show can do something which upsets the fans at this time because it won't alter any voting results.

Wanna bet - the wedding stuff will hit our screens when the voting opens for the British Soap Awards - if I wasn't piss-poor, I'd put money on it
trevor tiger
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“But that doesn't fit the fanfiction fantasy the show's been selling to the fandom.
They're voting power has one the show numerous awards - and they think the show is now beholden to them and the show should give them the storyline they want.

The main problem is - the Robron narrative has been as inconsistent as much of its other storylines. It sells Robron the love-story when it needs the fans to vote for it (the disneyesque engagement just happened to coincide with the voting period for the NTA's - and you can bet this fandom voted like frenzy after that episode.
Of course - the voting's closed now - so the show can do something which upsets the fans at this time because it won't alter any voting results.

Wanna bet - the wedding stuff will hit our screens when the voting opens for the British Soap Awards - if I wasn't piss-poor, I'd put money on it ”

I never even considered this but now that I have you are right. It is the only reasonable explanation for the confusing inconsistent greatest love story () ever told Spot on post.
sorcha_healy27
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I never even considered this but now that I have you are right. It is the only reasonable explanation for the confusing inconsistent supposed greatest love story ever told Spot on post.”

They're not very subtle are they
trevor tiger
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“They're not very subtle are they ”

Now that it has been explained to me You're right it does actually lack subtlety.

At least I'm not confused anymore
Stupid_Head
15-11-2016
Well, I think now they should split up Robert and Aaron and just go for it with this Rebecca stuff. See what happens. I reckon the Robron fans and the anti fans are not happy with Robron being together now anyway so why not.
cyrilandshirley
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by lucy_marwood:
“There is a large selection of these fans that really are insufferable, a lot of them are trying to make out Emmerdale are bigots for that scene as it shows that bisexual men can not stay faithful which is an ignorant stereotype that they are furious about. I would argue it merely shows that Robert cannot stay faithful which is true to his hsitory, surely if he was able to stay faithful to a man but not women that would make his a repressed homosexual which is also an ignorant stereotype of bisexual men. The irony seems lost on them.”

Oh lord. In my experience, fandoms are full of this kind of pompous righteous indignation which kicks in every time they don't get their way. It kills all the fun.

Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“What I hate about robron is the accusations of homophobia if you dislike them as a couple. Even though straight couples like kerry/dan get as much dislike as them

I'm guilty of robronphobia and that's it ”

Yeah, I think I caught a fatal case of that.

Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Considering huge swathes of social media were desperate for Robron and are horrified at the pairing of Rebecca and Robert I don't actually think they are listening that closely.

Maybe they are punishing them a bit for being so demanding ”

Oh come on, you know they're just teasing them. Happy couples are boring, so they've thrown in a bit of ANGST. They'll reward the fans with a big cringey mushy wedding at Chrimbo to pay them back.
Jewels501
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“Now I understand why you think like you do. Jai really was lovely when he first came into it. Then he married Charity and shagged Rachel who had Archie and that's when his personality transplant occurred.”

Originally Posted by Ancalagon:
“It's strange, he used to be such a kind, caring and warm person and Nikhil was the abrasive one (though that was more to do with his ineptness at social interaction than the fact he was nasty) I literally hate every scene with Jai these days, nasty spiteful man.”

I know this is off topic for this thread but Jai always was devious. Remember when Nikhil had some deal - I forget the details, anyway Jai hired Cain to sabotage it. It ended with some thugs carjacking a van which Charity was driving and she had Noah with her. So Jai has always had the potential albeit not as nasty as he got.
kaiserbee
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“But that doesn't fit the fanfiction fantasy the show's been selling to the fandom.
They're voting power has won the show numerous awards - and they think the show is now beholden to them and the show should give them the storyline they want.


The main problem is - the Robron narrative has been as inconsistent as much of its other storylines. It sells Robron the love-story when it needs the fans to vote for it (the disneyesque engagement just happened to coincide with the voting period for the NTA's - and you can bet this fandom voted like frenzy after that episode.
Of course - the voting's closed now - so the show can do something which upsets the fans at this time because it won't alter any voting results.

Wanna bet - the wedding stuff will hit our screens when the voting opens for the British Soap Awards - if I wasn't piss-poor, I'd put money on it ”

The fact that the EP and other staff members have confirmed that said wedding will be taking place regardless of whatever happens between then and now, shows how pliable and manipulated the 'fandom' is.

ED are playing with them, picking them up and tickling them, then dropping them from a height and annoying them, like a cat toys with a mouse.

It's just soooooo funny
samcains90
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Well Emmerdale only have themselves to blame for that. They had Robert pointing out the unfairness of assuming he'd cheat because he was bisexual and I understand they received some plaudits from part of the bisexual community for that and because of this portrayal. I'm pleased if this has now backfired and Emmerdale are being berated for it as they are always happy enough to receive the pat on the back for tackling issues when we all know it's only ratings that they are after



Considering huge swathes of social media were desperate for Robron and are horrified at the pairing of Rebecca and Robert I don't actually think they are listening that closely.

Maybe they are punishing them a bit for being so demanding ”

Hardly. They've already told them that there's going to be a wedding in the new year. What's the point of adding drama now, when we know the outcome. I don't know why anyone is getting their knickers in such a twist.

Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“But that doesn't fit the fanfiction fantasy the show's been selling to the fandom.
They're voting power has won the show numerous awards - and they think the show is now beholden to them and the show should give them the storyline they want.


The main problem is - the Robron narrative has been as inconsistent as much of its other storylines. It sells Robron the love-story when it needs the fans to vote for it (the disneyesque engagement just happened to coincide with the voting period for the NTA's - and you can bet this fandom voted like frenzy after that episode.
Of course - the voting's closed now - so the show can do something which upsets the fans at this time because it won't alter any voting results.

Wanna bet - the wedding stuff will hit our screens when the voting opens for the British Soap Awards - if I wasn't piss-poor, I'd put money on it ”

Absolutely spot on.
Nico_D
15-11-2016
Originally Posted by samcains90:
“Hardly. They've already told them that there's going to be a wedding in the new year. What's the point of adding drama now, when we know the outcome. I don't know why anyone is getting their knickers in such a twist.
)”

This was stated on Twitter but like someone said there was a Chrissie and Robert wedding, Pete and Debbie, Megan and Leyla...etc etc.
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