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No one said he was fantastic, just that he managed to support himself and his family through his acting.
At the end of the day, no matter how crap or cheap they are, tv movies and direct to dvd movies are better than being on a soap. Soaps are the bottom of the totem pole in the acting profession only ahead of soft porn films. Being on a series having a lead role role is not the only measure of success of being an actor, nor is running off to lalaland. In a tv movie you play a 1 off character but in soaps you play a character that can become iconic and fans can relate to since they see them most nights of the week. |
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No way. Soaps are part of british culture and are like TV royalty.
In a tv movie you play a 1 off character but in soaps you play a character that can become iconic and fans can relate to since they see them most nights of the week. So? Most actors go into acting wanting to play varied characters and don't like being tied down. Most actors would also rather be made famous and made iconic in a role other than a soap. Having a soap on your CV isn't a glowing endorsement. At the end of the day Danny Dyer managed to forge a career (it may not be the best one) but he had to endure the ups, downs and the uncertainty. Woodyatt has never faced that because he's lasted on a show that rewards longevity rather than ability. He will never be axed. So yes I think Danny has a right to his comments and to be proud of maintaining a career based solely on his talent, whatever anyone thinks of him and his 'talent'. |
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Before Danny's career got stuck in a rut, he did some critically-acclaimed work early on in his career and was mentored by Harold Pinter who saw something in him.
Not everyone's going to rate him but to deny he's had any sort of success is bizarre. |
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I can't believe he would say that about Steve and Adam. They are MUCH Stronger actors than he is.
Also, he thinks that he is a better actor than Benedict Cumberbatch?! Give me a F***ing Break! . We're talking about an actor who has been in Oscar winning/nominated movies and starring in massive blockbusters compared to a cockney lad actor who's made abysmal B-rate movies his entire career and won ZERO acclaim for his acting. Yep, you're definitely a better actor than Cumberbatch, Danny .Dyer actually reminds me of the footballer Joey Barton - both very cocky, ego-centric, controversial characters who arrogantly drag others down because they're too sour over their own underachieving careers and pretend to be more talented than they actually are.
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No one said he was fantastic, just that he managed to support himself and his family through his acting.
At the end of the day, no matter how crap or cheap they are, tv movies and direct to dvd movies are better than being on a soap. Soaps are the bottom of the totem pole in the acting profession only ahead of soft porn films. Being on a series having a lead role role is not the only measure of success of being an actor, nor is running off to lalaland. Quote:
That's an emotive response. Of course to you, a rabid fan, they mean a great deal and are special to you. To casting directors, most actors and producers they are not well regarded and are considered low brow for the most part. There is still a stigma attached to being on a soap and for most actors it can adversely affect their careers. Type Casting is one of the biggest concerns.
So? Most actors go into acting wanting to play varied characters and don't like being tied down. Most actors would also rather be made famous and made iconic in a role other than a soap. Having a soap on your CV isn't a glowing endorsement. At the end of the day Danny Dyer managed to forge a career (it may not be the best one) but he had to endure the ups, downs and the uncertainty. Woodyatt has never faced that because he's lasted on a show that rewards longevity rather than ability. He will never be axed. So yes I think Danny has a right to his comments and to be proud of maintaining a career based solely on his talent, whatever anyone thinks of him and his 'talent'.
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That's an emotive response. Of course to you, a rabid fan, they mean a great deal and are special to you. To casting directors, most actors and producers they are not well regarded and are considered low brow for the most part. There is still a stigma attached to being on a soap and for most actors it can adversely affect their careers. Type Casting is one of the biggest concerns.
So? Most actors go into acting wanting to play varied characters and don't like being tied down. Most actors would also rather be made famous and made iconic in a role other than a soap. Having a soap on your CV isn't a glowing endorsement. At the end of the day Danny Dyer managed to forge a career (it may not be the best one) but he had to endure the ups, downs and the uncertainty. Woodyatt has never faced that because he's lasted on a show that rewards longevity rather than ability. He will never be axed. So yes I think Danny has a right to his comments and to be proud of maintaining a career based solely on his talent, whatever anyone thinks of him and his 'talent'. |
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I know that's sexy_princess's view and not DD's, but it's worth noting that Danny has been very complimentary about soaps/soap acting over the past couple of years. Edit: One such quote from DS; Quote:
"I've got a lot more respect for soap actors now. I don't care who you are - it's a massive test to be playing a character day in, day out with the amount of dialogue and the number of scenes you have to do every day. You have to be on the ball all the time. Obviously you wouldn't expect him to say anything different now he's in one. "I think there can be a snobbery towards soaps, and I'll hold my hands up and say that I probably would have been one of those people. When you make movies, you can sometimes look down on soap actors. Now I've got a new-found respect, just because it's really hard work. It's very rewarding, but it engulfs your life completely. You're playing your character more than you have time to be yourself, which doesn't usually happen on movies." but it's good to have some balance in a thread thriving on negativity nonetheless.
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I know that's sexy_princess's view and not DD's, but it's worth noting that Danny has been very complimentary about soaps/soap acting over the past couple of years.
Edit: One such quote from DS; Obviously you wouldn't expect him to say anything different now he's in one. but it's good to have some balance in a thread thriving on negativity nonetheless.I' ve not seen his acting, except in one film years age, which I can't remember so I wouldn't comment on that! |
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its from radio times i seen it with my own eyes not the daily star. how can comments like 'they arent fit to lace our boots' 'i am the best actor on eastenders' and 'adam and steve dont have my experience' be seen as anything other than dyer being arrogant.
if anthony cotton made these comments there would be outrage. |
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Based off some of his pre-EE interviews, I don't think it's a persona cultivated by EE or the BBC. I think it's just Danny himself being a WUM/a bit mischevious. Like you Glendarroch, I presume the EastEnders publicity department will have sanctioned and approved the interview which makes me doubt it was of malicious intent. They'd be shafting one of their own to let this go to print if his tongue hadn't been firmly in cheek.
As I haven't read the full interview (and I'm reluctant to take second-hand accounts from seasoned Danny critics into perspective, especially any claiming to have read it before the edition its in had even gone to shelf) I'm still keeping an open mind until I have. Not that I buy RT but hopefully more will appear online. Call me naive but this wasn't something that was overheard or sold to a paper by an unnamed source. It's an interview with a pro BBC publication promoting a BBC show given by an actor working on another BBC show. The Benedict Cumberbatch snippets that were doing the rounds from this sounded bad, then I read an article on the Radio Times website where they didn't sound anywhere near as bad in context.. So it could be the same with everything else he's said. If said in the usual DD tongue-in-cheek way I will cut him some slack, though I realise his media persona/ribbing isn't to everyone's taste, but if said in a serious context then I will say he's big headed and has been foolish. A sackable offence? No but a talking to may be in order. |
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It's unprofessional, idk about being a WUM or whatever but if he did indeed say that about his costars then I just find that to be rude. His behaviour can come off as arrogant and this is not the way to give promo EE imo. If someone else had said those things, I bet Dyer himself would have made a comment.
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Exactly, but some people love being outraged and take their soaps very seriously.
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BIB 1 Is far more an "emotive response" than anything Scorpio said
![]() Melissa George & Anne Heche are two actresses that view soaps as beneath them and are embarrassed to be associated with them. Robin Wright & Meg Ryan are two more. It took them years to carve out a successful career directly as a result of being on a soap. The soap opera stigma is real. Nearly all actors view being on a soap as a career stepping stone and can't wait to get a better acting job. If they were as revered as was stated that would not be the case. Granted the UK soaps are a little different, but young actors more than ever are viewing them as a launching pad for a better career, especially EE & Hollyoaks. Hell even Patsy Palmer thought she could do better than EE! I like watching soaps, but I realise what they are. It's just a shame people get so caught up in them and fail to understand what they are especially in terms of the acting profession. |
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I'm not sure why you'd bother to comment when your sole intention is to cause trouble. Please understand and look up what the term means.
Melissa George & Anne Heche are two actresses that view soaps as beneath them and are embarrassed to be associated with them. Robin Wright & Meg Ryan are two more. It took them years to carve out a successful career directly as a result of being on a soap. The soap opera stigma is real. Nearly all actors view being on a soap as a career stepping stone and can't wait to get a better acting job. If they were as revered as was stated that would not be the case. Granted the UK soaps are a little different, but young actors more than ever are viewing them as a launching pad for a better career, especially EE & Hollyoaks. Hell even Patsy Palmer thought she could do better than EE! I like watching soaps, but I realise what they are. It's just a shame people get so caught up in them and fail to understand what they are especially in terms of the acting profession.
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I'm not sure why you'd bother to comment when your sole intention is to cause trouble. Please understand and look up what the term means.
Melissa George & Anne Heche are two actresses that view soaps as beneath them and are embarrassed to be associated with them. Robin Wright & Meg Ryan are two more. It took them years to carve out a successful career directly as a result of being on a soap. The soap opera stigma is real. Nearly all actors view being on a soap as a career stepping stone and can't wait to get a better acting job. If they were as revered as was stated that would not be the case. Granted the UK soaps are a little different, but young actors more than ever are viewing them as a launching pad for a better career, especially EE & Hollyoaks. Hell even Patsy Palmer thought she could do better than EE! I like watching soaps, but I realise what they are. It's just a shame people get so caught up in them and fail to understand what they are especially in terms of the acting profession. Really what makes you say that? Am I not entitled to a point of view on a discussion forum? I don't make trouble on here
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Really what makes you say that? Am I not entitled to a point of view on a discussion forum? I don't make trouble on here
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Don't bother Aaron. It's pretty clear who is trying to stir up trouble and it isn't you
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I' m not sure anyone considers them high art but why should you look down on those involved because they're re not? It doesn't t mean the actors writers, etc are not talented and skilled. They' re probably more realistic and grateful than those who hold out for the top parts! I used to work in the heritage sector and it was the same there - there was a real snobbery about sites that were busy, popular and seen to be too populist ( ie often accused of ' dumbing don't ). We also had our fair share of graduates who were somewhat shocked by the realities of working in their chosen industry and thought that certain tasks were below them, plus saw it as a mere ' stepping stone's until little things like scarcity of jobs made them think again! I know a couple of artists too, and you tend to find that if you want to make a living in that kind of work you have to do populist stuff - and even then it's s extremely hard! In the ' establishment' art world anything popular is instantly looked down upon, it seems
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Don't bother Aaron. It's pretty clear who is trying to stir up trouble and it isn't you
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I gotta say I did laugh out loud at that
. We're talking about an actor who has been in Oscar winning/nominated movies and starring in massive blockbusters compared to a cockney lad actor who's made abysmal B-rate movies his entire career and won ZERO acclaim for his acting. Yep, you're definitely a better actor than Cumberbatch, Danny .Dyer actually reminds me of the footballer Joey Barton - both very cocky, ego-centric, controversial characters who arrogantly drag others down because they're too sour over their own underachieving careers and pretend to be more talented than they actually are. ![]() ![]() Ultimately, crap like this gets people talking about EE and there's no such thing as bad publicity in his trade. Job done.
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I gotta say I did laugh out loud at that
. We're talking about an actor who has been in Oscar winning/nominated movies and starring in massive blockbusters compared to a cockney lad actor who's made abysmal B-rate movies his entire career and won ZERO acclaim for his acting. Yep, you're definitely a better actor than Cumberbatch, Danny .Dyer actually reminds me of the footballer Joey Barton - both very cocky, ego-centric, controversial characters who arrogantly drag others down because they're too sour over their own underachieving careers and pretend to be more talented than they actually are. ![]() |
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Glendarroch, it isn't me that thinks actors should be embarrassed or ashamed of being on soaps, but for most in the acting industry Soaps are something to look down upon. I guess they think because the writing is often poor and the acting can be very rushed it doesn't deserve to have the same prestige bestowed upon them like theatre. Soap actors work the most hours out of anyone in the given mediums.
Thanks for giving insight, it was enjoyable if a little disheartening to read. Well you didn't add anything to the topic in the post. It seemed like you were trying to pit me against someone else. Sorry if I read the situation wrong. All I wanted to do in this thread was say I agree with Danny Dyer on some points and praise him for actually having a career away from soaps. It isn't easy and yes some actors like Woodyatt have had it easy. Why do people on these boards always seem to have to make topics personal or take them personally when their favourite actor is involved. |
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Being Devils Advocate, aside from the security aspect, maybe some actors eould rather spend years playing one character so they can explore (and act out) many different facets to that character (as both McFadden and Woodyatt have) than spend a couple of months with at most a couple of hours screen time, playing what is essentially the same character but with a different name time after time.
Let's not kid ourselves that film or short drama actors aren't so only get to act out the same type if scenes throughout their career. They are often cast specifically because the Director wants them to do the same thing as in another film or show and they aren't streached. Very few Actors really get to show their full range and often soapactors have more chance simply because of the varied plots drama,melodramA, action, comedy, tragedy. As I understand it, Dyer partly jooned EE simply because he eas bored playing hatd man roles and wanted to show that he vould do other things. Because he was typecast. Re the interview, I'll read it at the weekend as my Fad buys it so Icatch up when I visit him and will comment on the specifics then. Generally though. I do think it is quite'bad form' to denigrate colleagues, and I mean within the whole acting profession, not just the production you're currently working on. To me it seems unprofessional, arrogant and bad mannered. Having seen him on interviews, he does have a sarcastic sense of humour so it's possible it is a wind up. But, that tends not to come across in print so maybe he should have considered that and been a little more careful. Aa an aside, Durham University did research on geneolgy a whike back and found that something like 95% of English people that could trace their ancestry back that far are descended from Edward 3rd so no reason for delysionsrof grandeur! |
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Things can be taken out of context in interviews and I'm wondering if that is the case here. It could also have been tongue in cheek, of course.
If he did really mean it then I think it's poor form. Steve and Adam are excellent actors - at what they do. Neither have ever pretended to be anything else so to single them out seems unfair. Danny, to be fair, has not done a bad job as Mick and excelled at times, as in Johnny's coming out scene but he is not in Adam or Steve's league yet when it comes to soap acting. Maybe he had had a few and threw caution to the wind but it could come back to haunt him. |
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You can generally read what you want to with someone like Danny. I just see him as a bit of a WUM whose posturing is part of his public image, and as a result I find it quite amusing and like it (at least he's never boring.) Someone else will take it as proof that he's awful and hated on the EE set and one cock-up away from being fired spectacularly.
As I understand it the main point of the interview is Danny discovering he's related to royalty on WDYTYA hence him being on the front cover mocked up as a king. Considering he often has a leaning towards 'tongue-in-cheek' in interviews, I don't find it a stretch to believe he was being a wind-up in this one, perhaps more than usual off the back of the WDYTYA thing. As _elly001 pointed out earlier in this thread all the signs are that he's well liked by his castmates. |
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You can generally read what you want to with someone like Danny. I just see him as a bit of a WUM whose posturing is part of his public image, and as a result I find it quite amusing and like it (at least he's never boring.) Someone else will take it as proof that he's awful and hated on the EE set and one cock-up away from being fired spectacularly.
As I understand it the main point of the interview is Danny discovering he's related to royalty on WDYTYA hence him being on the front cover mocked up as a king. Considering he often has a leaning towards 'tongue-in-cheek' in interviews, I don't find it a stretch to believe he was being a wind-up in this one, perhaps more than usual off the back of the WDYTYA thing. As _elly001 pointed out earlier in this thread all the signs are that he's well liked by his castmates. |
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. We're talking about an actor who has been in Oscar winning/nominated movies and starring in massive blockbusters compared to a cockney lad actor who's made abysmal B-rate movies his entire career and won ZERO acclaim for his acting. Yep, you're definitely a better actor than Cumberbatch, Danny
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Really what makes you say that? Am I not entitled to a point of view on a discussion forum? I don't make trouble on here