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Old 15-11-2016, 19:26
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I currently have a Samsung 40" D7000 LED TV from circa 2011.

I am prepared to wait for a new OLED TV since this seems to be the next 'big leap' from my current LED 1080p model.

The Panasonic OLED TVs shown at CES 2016 seemed particularly interesting, but how would they compare to the current LG OLED sets? I understand that Panasonic TVs are generally regarded as being amongst the best-in-class.
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Old 15-11-2016, 23:37
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I understand that Panasonic TVs are generally regarded as being amongst the best-in-class.
They are generally hobbled to only work in one country. Not good these days.
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Old 16-11-2016, 06:19
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They are generally hobbled to only work in one country. Not good these days.
Everyone, please do not rise to the bait of this comment.
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Old 16-11-2016, 07:07
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They are generally hobbled to only work in one country. Not good these days.
Why do the vast majority of people who buy tv's tend to take them abroad?

Or are you just spinning your usual line of c*ap, that will effect very few people?
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Old 16-11-2016, 13:56
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I currently have a Samsung 40" D7000 LED TV from circa 2011.

I am prepared to wait for a new OLED TV since this seems to be the next 'big leap' from my current LED 1080p model.

The Panasonic OLED TVs shown at CES 2016 seemed particularly interesting, but how would they compare to the current LG OLED sets? I understand that Panasonic TVs are generally regarded as being amongst the best-in-class.
First off OP, click ignore on Winston!
Secondly the Panasonic OLED sets should be really good. The only one they have done so far was an absolute corker. The panel they used was made by LG but beyond the basic screen the rest of the picture processing was done by Panasonic. It was an expensive set but produced an absolutely stunning picture. the production run was very limited & from what we were told only saw about 800 come in to the UK, we only saw and sold one of them. The set was all about the picture performance and didn't even have the latest version of their Smart TV software, Panasonic said that all the processing power went to picture not Smart. the assumption being anyone spending that amount on a TV would have all the kit such as Sky/Virgin/PS4/Xbox One connected to supply the smart features.
2017, from what we've heard will see Panasonic bring more OLED models to market at more reasonable prices & they're something I'm looking forward to seeing.

As for Winston's opinion. He believes that every TV sold in Europe should work in every single country, despite the fact that each country has it's own variation on broadcast method, providers etc. For Wintson, TV's sold if Spain should come fitted with freesat, for example because that is a service available in Europe, despite the fact that it is designed explicitly for UK use. The argument he seems to use is that french sets should work here, straight out of the box, as should our sets in Ireland.
What Panasonic actually do is tailor their models specifically to suit the needs of the country they are being sold in.
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Old 18-11-2016, 18:32
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There are people who live in places such as Newry, Dundalk, Folkstone, Calais, Gibraltar, Tangier, La Limear, the list is endless who expect their TVs to work with cross border transmissions. If they buy Panasonic they will be disappointed.

Don't forget also Panasonic's track record of TVs that fail to work here. We had the split NIT problem, and more recently Freesat sets that don't work properly on ITV HD. Panasonic customer service don't want to know and try to blame the broadcaster even though other manufacturers sets are not affected.
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Old 19-11-2016, 13:48
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There are people who live in places such as Newry, Dundalk, Folkstone, Calais, Gibraltar, Tangier, La Limear, the list is endless who expect their TVs to work with cross border transmissions. If they buy Panasonic they will be disappointed.

Don't forget also Panasonic's track record of TVs that fail to work here. We had the split NIT problem, and more recently Freesat sets that don't work properly on ITV HD. Panasonic customer service don't want to know and try to blame the broadcaster even though other manufacturers sets are not affected.
People on the south coast that want to receive stations from other countries that they are not supposed to be receiving are not entitled in any means to get them. If the want to do so they have to ensure that what they buy is relevant to their purpose.
It like complaining that a car I buy in France has the steering wheel on the wrong side.
Would I be entitled for BMW to modify the car free of charge to make it right hand drive just because "it was sold in Europe"?
It's a ridiculous stand point Winston. As for the freesat issue, I've still yet to have anyone come in to our shop with a problem.
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Old 19-11-2016, 14:28
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It's a ridiculous stand point Winston. As for the freesat issue, I've still yet to have anyone come in to our shop with a problem.
Every stand point from Winston_1 is ridiculous. I think he keeps repeating them because ridiculing him reinforces his delusion that he is a lone martyr fighting the evil forces represented by Panasonic, powerline adapters, etc
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Old 19-11-2016, 14:40
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Can you imagine what Winston would be like if Panasonic started making powerline adaptors? A mushroom cloud would be seen rising from his home from miles around. And 2 little ones coming from his ears.
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Old 19-11-2016, 15:12
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Can you imagine what Winston would be like if Panasonic started making powerline adaptors? A mushroom cloud would be seen rising from his home from miles around. And 2 little ones coming from his ears.
They do.

https://www.cnet.com/uk/products/pan...cation/review/
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Old 19-11-2016, 17:26
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Everyone, please do not rise to the bait of this comment.
There was no bait to rise to. I just gave good advice based on actual fact.

As for various posts about power line adapters they are off topic for this thread. If anyone wants to discuss them why not start another thread?
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Old 19-11-2016, 17:32
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As for the freesat issue, I've still yet to have anyone come in to our shop with a problem.
No idea you had a shop or what sort it is. But there are plenty of threads on these and other forums about the Freesat problem with Panasonic sets.
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Old 19-11-2016, 17:53
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They are generally hobbled to only work in one country. Not good these days.
So if your points don't affect the OP in the slightest, like the vast majority of the Country, why are Panasonic OLED TV's not good these days?
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Old 19-11-2016, 18:10
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No idea you had a shop or what sort it is. But there are plenty of threads on these and other forums about the Freesat problem with Panasonic sets.
One that sells and services Panasonic TV. Anything that comes in goes through me before it gets to the repair dept.
I couldn't care less how many forums a few people have posted on about this, I have not had one single person in with the freesat issue.
As far as software updating goes we do as & when needed on DVDRs back to the DMRES20 & if needed the LXD50 LCDs although this is hit and miss as to whether the sets from 2005 will accept the update.
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Old 19-11-2016, 18:11
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Can you imagine what Winston would be like if Panasonic started making powerline adaptors? A mushroom cloud would be seen rising from his home from miles around. And 2 little ones coming from his ears.
....and one that only works on UK power lines!
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Old 19-11-2016, 20:45
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If they're anything like the last few generations of Panasonic's Plasma TVs, then they're probably best avoided. Those had a variety of issues and problems, which Panasonic wrote off as "features" because they couldn't or wouldn't fix them.

The best advice with regards to any new Panasonic set would be to wait a while until enough people have bought them and started feeding back online with regards to how they perform.
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Old 22-11-2016, 10:22
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If they're anything like the last few generations of Panasonic's Plasma TVs, then they're probably best avoided. Those had a variety of issues and problems, which Panasonic wrote off as "features" because they couldn't or wouldn't fix them.

The best advice with regards to any new Panasonic set would be to wait a while until enough people have bought them and started feeding back online with regards to how they perform.
Again, news to us. Everyone that bought from us, including family, friends & mayself had no issues at all with various generation of Panasonic Plasmas, all bar one are still going strong. No issues as such with the LCD they bought for secondary rooms either.

Personally I wouldn't buy anything that was brand new to market for any brand. Give them a month or two just to see if there are any major issues.
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Old 22-11-2016, 16:02
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Again, news to us. Everyone that bought from us, including family, friends & mayself had no issues at all with various generation of Panasonic Plasmas, all bar one are still going strong. No issues as such with the LCD they bought for secondary rooms either.

Personally I wouldn't buy anything that was brand new to market for any brand. Give them a month or two just to see if there are any major issues.
I suppose it depends really on what you consider an issue. All you have to do is take a look at AVForums for any particular model and you'll see pages and pages all about them.

A friend bought one of the last generation Panasonic Plasma sets (I think, may have been the gen. before) and we were both able to see the problems it had, namely green/pink blotches easily noticeable on bright blank areas of the picture.

Plus I still own 2 different generation Panasonic Plasma sets that both have their own different issues (occasional flickering contrast on certain scenes on 1, worsening black levels on the other). I must note, the issues are minor so may not always be noticeable to the less discerning viewer.
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Old 22-11-2016, 23:05
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I suppose it depends really on what you consider an issue. All you have to do is take a look at AVForums for any particular model and you'll see pages and pages all about them.
Back in 2010 I almost didn't buy a Panasonic plasma because of the horror stories on those forums. Luckily I formed my own opinion based on various professional reviews and went ahead anyway. Its still working and I am still delighted with the picture. Not sure what I will do when it finally expires unless OLED comes good.

If you look back on those forums you will see I posted several times that they were haunted by "videophiles" obsessing over minute deviations from perfect blackness or tiny colour patches visible only on a brilliant white screen. There was also many claims of some sort of motion distortion, mostly noted during football matches, which I have never seen to this day.
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Old 23-11-2016, 06:30
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I wouldn't consider myself particularly a "videophile", but an imperfection is an imperfection. At the end of the day you're parting with a significant amount of cash for a product, at the least you should expect it to work properly.

I observed the said colour patches on my friend's TV and they certainly weren't "tiny". He got rid of it and got a different brand Plasma TV, which after tweaking ended up providing a vastly superior picture quality over the Panasonic.
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