Oh, I know very well about cruciate ligament reconstruction, thank you very much. I used to be a nurse in the operating theatre. It is in no way whatsoever akin to a having "new knee", which is a total knee replacement and it is a very different kettle of fish altogether.

Lots of professional and amateur sportsmen and women have ACL and PCL reconstructions and make a full recovery from them in order to go back to their sport. Ola is no exception. In some cases the surgical reconstruction means that the knee becomes even more stable than before.

The same goes for skiers, as ACL rupture is a common skiing injury. Ola was unwise to do what she did in participating in The Jump as she is a professional dancer but the reality is that she could have sustained such an injury even in recreational skiing.

Complete piffle, it is a new ligament graft that goes in, regarding mobility it is a new knee, a foreign body in your knee. Nobody makes a full recovery the knee isn't the same, some adapt better than others to the new ligament but they are never the same, even though the repairs are a lot better than they used to be..

As a footballer it is pretty much as bad an injury as you can get, as a pro dancer with all the fast turns it must be a nightmare, to be honest I am not surprised she wants to move into other fields, especially at 34.

Total and utter drivel.

You clearly have absolutely NO idea whatsoever what you're talking about. I won't even bother to address any of that tripe because it is clear you are now merely trolling.

On you trot then because I'll be ignoring you from now on. Toodle pip.

I think this is an absolutely brilliant post and makes sense of so many different elements of the way the show has changed. If I knew how to do the clapping hands smilie I would put several here.

I enjoyed many of the routines Ola and James produced during their time on Strictly and I can sort of understand why they are taking the quick buck slightly sleazy reality route. I think IACGMOH is one of the better ones with a pretty good chance of improved career prospects afterwards if you do well (Myleene Klass for example). I also understand that it pays very well. I watch it every year and so far Ola is coming across very well, so good luck to her.

I do agree with previous posters though, I don't understand why they didn't continue to pursue dancing careers in one form or another, they have clearly decided against it.

eta: I watched the last episode of I'm A Celebrity. To her credit, Ola did a disgusting trial, shaking but with no screaming, weeping or any attention-seeking. She didn't put on an act to get more camera time (the more useless you are the more likely you are to get voted for next time and so get more air time). I was impressed by that and it seems only fair to point it out. Personally I don't think the Jungle is anywhere near as 'how are the mighty fallen' as doing CBB.

(I meant to edit my post not quote it )

I also agree with all of this. Additionally, when you think about the timeline, all this coincided with the huge success of Bake Off (very family friendly) and the disaster of The Voice (the BBC trying and failing to be ultra-commercial) - a move for Strictly in this direction makes even more sense in terms of how the BBC sees its branding in this type of show.

I know this is just my own personal view but I'm not a fan of the Cliftons especially Karen.

Clearly you haven't old tactics lose the argument and call another poster a troll. For the record I have new ACL's in both knees and the adage is true once you have a bad knee you have a bad knee, you can get by play sport even but the knee isn't the same again, even if you manage it well.

The prospect of dancing on hard surfaces after such a reconstruction would be a lot of pain and discomfort.

WOW another bitchy thread. WTF is up with ds and all the hatred? Are these all kid threads??

Olas in the jungle on another show with plenty of nice other celebs for company living her life, she does right !!.

I don't mind the Jordans their making a living whilst many sit on their arses living off benefits.

Say what you will but they are great dancers ! they are also human beings who have opinions, Do you know them personally ?

Id love the jungle experience, would i sell my own granny ? Errr not on your life so why judge all those in there??? let me guess it was a joke aaaaawwwww.

Oh well Carol Vorderman Adam Thomas Larry Lamb will no doubt not give a crap about you for calling them non entities as they have a life beyond a keyboard.

They need to pay the bills and this is one way to do it.

I don't understand all this despondency . Many big names in showbiz, sport, entertainment have done I'm a Celeb . I believe it's a good move for Ola .

I mean it's difficult for any pro dancer to find employment other then in the dancing field . We hear very little from most of the ex pros of SCD .

These zelebs will never live within their means or save money for the future like normal people would do. And when the source of their income eventually dries out they are f***ed.

£90k for a max 3 week stay in Oz eating bugs

while James was reportedly paid a six figure sum for CBB

they don't seem to be doing that badly imo

they haven't exactly fallen since their on more money from the I'm a celeb and her autobiography than what they would get from SCD in a year, also bet James pocketed a nice cheque from CBB especially if he goes back this summer

Right, for starters, I don't "hate" anyone - and certainly not Ola and James Jordan, so you can put that one to rest right from the start.

I also have already acknowledged the fact that they are superb dancers and it is for that reason alone that I question some of the dubious career decisions they have both made of late. I don't need to know them personally to hold that opinion. They are surely better than that, have greater integrity, value and self-worth than simply selling themselves to the highest bidder to appear on tacky TV programmes like The Jump and CBB.

Re your question about "why judge anyone who appears in the "I'm a Celebrity" jungle...

Of course we can "judge" people who choose to appear on reality TV shows because that is precisely the reason why they are appearing on them i.e - to be judged on whether they should be allowed to stay in or be voted out. There is no other reason for them being there. Of course they can be judged - otherwise what is the bloody point?

Do you know that they are having money troubles?

No, well they may well be cashing in an money making opertunities whilst they are young and saving up for an early retirement.

So that makes a nonsense of your comment doesn't it?

I liked both Ola and James on the show, and I agree about them being pushed out post Clifton era.

However in fairness, whist they were very good teachers and invariably got mediocre celebs much further in the competition than you expected them to do. Neither of them were innovative choreographers, with Ola being really quite limited.

I think when the show started bringing in people like Artem, Pasha, Iveta etc it became obvious how tired their choreography really was.

There didn't seem to be all the talk of extra choreographers for the dancers as we get now, so that was unfortunate timing. Leaving us with current dancers with limited choreography skills who accept praise for their choreography when it turns out they weren't responsible for it.

I am not at all surprised Ola is coming off well in the jungle, many a pro and celeb mentioned how sweet she was, and how she used to make cups of tea back stage for everyone especially if their nerves were troubling them. About the Steve Backshall issue, of course he was in the wrong, a simple no to the rumours would have put paid to the whole thing. That would have been a polite thing to do instead of which he fuelled them by not saying anything, one doesn't do that in any working partnership. It would have cost him nothing, as it is it looked like sour grapes from him, and possibly had an effect on Ola being retained by SCD. No other celeb has been as unsupportive of their partner. Even Lulu managed to keep it together when on the show.

I wouldn't do IACGMOO, CBB, Ann Summer's, but neither would I do SCD as a contestants, so if that's the way they have chosen, I don't feel the need to judge them.

Nor spout of rubbish about their money troubles , when we have no idea whether that is even an issue or they are making money now so they can rest on their earnings in later life.

I've noticed so many times, that so called celebs, unlike true stars; just have to have their time in the spotlight even when their bubble has burst.It's like oxygen to them. Sad.

Sad 😱😱 you have been watching too much Trump.

Do you want to tell me which true stars you mean.

Meryl Streep, Robert de Nero still working.

Leonard Cohen, David Bowie working right up to the weeks before their death.

Frank Sinatra years of work in Las Vagus right up till he was too ill to perform.

No struggling to think of any true star who didn't work up to the time that they wanted.

Anthea Turner her bubble burst big time and she is still trying to get back on TV.

Anyone you want to tell me about, I could say Keith and Orville and Chico is THAT who you meant as true stars.

Whilst James and Ola really have more in common with the later 2 I know damn well both would be on tele like a shot, in fact Keith made a play for it without Orville on the Voice.

Rubbish!

Not to mention most of the time it's an autograft, ie your own ligamental tissue from elsewhere being used to repair the damaged ligament.

Your own tissue a foreign body !

You are just showing your complete ignorance here.

It's been said that the Jordans were always very welcoming, hospitable and helpful to new dancers arriving in this country. If Ola shows a nurturing side in the jungle, this might help after the Clifton ruckus. I think her tough childhood in Poland will stand her in good stead here.

I find cleaning toilets more stimulating than making money from those activities (minus SCD where there's an actual skill needed).

Too much information about your toilet fetish there

It's a personal choice. I wouldn't want to clean toilets for a living, nor do reality TV. Luckily I have a choice. So did James and Ola and they chose the realty tv route and Anne Summers. You know what there are dirtier things to advertise, like encouraging people to take up gambling.

Which one particular family friendly celeb Loiuse is doing right now.

Wear sexy underwear or promote a habit shown to cause those in poverty to get into debt and is often a gateway activity to those prone to addictive behaviour.

So if anyone should have " shame how are the mighty fallen " written about them perhaps this finger ought to be pointing fairly and squarely at the person doing SCD at present who has used her enhanced celeb status to advertise a morally very suspect industry.

No you are actually both mine were allografts because they give the strongest repairs, or so I was told at the time, even the autograft way it is a tendon or part of the hammy that goes in, so whatever the knee is different after the op and will feel different in some way.

I wish I was ignorant on this subject believe me.

*Hugs Coppertop* God knows the Redknapps aren't struggling to feed their children, Louise could afford to pick and choose.