Hurt she was binned? I'm not a teenager fgs. No, I just found comments from some the kind you imagine being typed with frenzy and a sweaty top lip.

His assertation was made from watching Ore dance. He was wrong. He has been wrong a good few times and regardless, expert or not,much is a matter of opinion.

Luckily he will never be a judge. As he would be awful.

I can't say I ever liked him as such but thought he was good with a couple of celebs. And I didn't mind him too much. But then with the pimping and the trying to settle scores and endorsing that book of Olas which discussed some celeb males getting hard on, I just find them both trashy as hell. But it makes them money. (Apols if I have anything wrong, I haven't actually read it )


That's what the man said.

BiB - Do you have absolute categorical knowledge he was wrong, or is that just your opinion? If the former, I'd be interested where it came from as I don't recall ever seeing/hearing Ore use the "never danced before" line. If the latter, then between your opinion and the opinion of someone who is a trained and experienced dancer I know which I'd give more weight to.

I hold no brief for James and have found him very irritating sometimes, but when he was a judge on the Strictly on Wheels thing Brian Fortuna did he was critical but in a constructive way, and credited effort when it was due. He didn't resort to scripted nonsense like Len, or ridiculously flowery twaddle like Bruno, or pantomime villain unkind criticism like Craig. It will never happen, but I think he would have made an excellent judge.

Ore has categorically stated on ITT that he has not had dance lessons. I think he might have tweeted James to that effect ... But no answer came the reply

Ah, I missed that. I stand corrected.

Well It was a FACT once James states something as a FACT he's never going to let it go.

Well he would do wouldn't he, although to be fair though he is a reasonable mover he isn't nearly as good as he thinks. Hopefully his try too hard persona is enough of a turn off to get him out this weekend, as it nearly did 2 weeks ago. I doubt that though, my fear he is the next big headed bore the BBC use this show to promote to a higher profile, he is certainly a chip off the Hollins/Baker block.

Ore also responded on Twitter.

I don't know if Ore thinks he's better than he is but Halloweon and Bonfire Night have proved he's not a ringer and ergo James is right. He's just a guy who can dances some things every well.

How is James right? Not being sarcastic but think I missed something

And that James didn't respond to James' tweet or retract his statement just makes him seem more of a dick to me.

Well you don't have to take my opinion over James anyway as it's all there. Ore categorically stated on ITT and on Twitter also, tagging James and Arlene. Arlene had the decency to tweet back saying he was a fabulous natural dancer in that case.

To quote Mandy Rice Davis when Lord Astor denied knowing (cough cough) her "Well he would say that wouldn't he " .

However I don't think he has had training (Ore, not Lord Astor who is probably dead by now). His dancing is too hit and miss and the basics that a dance instructor would focus on just aren't honed at all .

He may not been trained to the 'hilt' like danny or louise, but he must have done some 'previous'. Didn't he appear on strictly for comic relief a couple of years ago? And he could have had hours of 'private lesssons' like clancy did, since february..when he and the naga knew they were on this year.

James J not my cup of tea. Never liked him on Strictly and offended by some of the things he said (as reported - never watched it) on CBB. BUT I do like his twitter feed on Strictly. I find him accurate and fair and almost always agree with his scores. When I am baffled by the judges' scores I look at J J and find he agrees with me. He is quick to point out poor technique that the judges ignore. He is also always willing to praise the Cliftons when they d eserve it. Weird to find myself defending him, and I'd never want him as a judge, but he does make me feel as if I have not lost my sanity when I can't see what the judges see.

Glad to hear some nice words about James, for a change !!

I have always liked him & they seem a devoted couple. Not an easy feat in the world that they move in......

I like that attitude . Clearly there was/is no love lost between the Cliftons and Jordans from their time in Strictly , but he still gives them credit where it's due and leaves the personal stuff aside .
I also like that his scores are more realistic . I'm so bored of all these '9's so early in the series . It's laughable at times .

Sorry my bad I meant to say James is wrong. 'Tis is the problem with firing off posts quickly. I don't always say what I mean to in the flesh either. Thanks for pulling me up on this so I can clarify.

RE the private lessons anyone would be very sensible to do so.

Now IF he were to have had the odd lesson and then kept insisting he hadn't it would really cause a big backlash not for the lessons which would only be sensible in my opinion, but for the lying. If he has had lessons lying about it is stupid as it will come out eventually.

Not saying he has, but imagine if James were right 😱.

Or imagine if James knew his teacher😱😱.

He says he hasn't so we have to beleive him.

I'm not the most logical person going but a chain that runs with this sequence: 'if... imagine... imagine... James knew' won't persuade many juries

More to the point, James isn't reticent. If he had it, he'd tell it.

I know not many people on this forum like Ore but there is no reason (that I can see) to doubt him on this. His Charleston and Salsa would have been better with some lessons. The marvellous thing, if folk would credit it, is how blooming good he is without formal training. IMO. Maybe his good dances came too soon for the momentum to be sustained... But still, he's all right for a sports presenter.

(I'd love this to be the year of the Beginner rather than another year of the Ringer. With Ore, Claudia, Judgey, Greg and Ed still in there, there's a chance at least...)

Agree with a lot of this.

I think that's the point Coppertop was making? That if there had been pre-emptive lessons the chances of it being kept secret would be slim. Especially if James got wind of it!

It's almost impossible for Ore to 'prove' he hasn't had lessons. Signed affidavits from every dance teacher in the land would be a bit time consuming . I would put the burden of proof on the one saying that he definitely had been to lessons - and so far it's all gone a bit quiet.

(to be honest, a celeb who has a few lesson after being signed up would just come under the heading of 'eminently sensible' to me).

Fallen heroes are the ones I love most

I'm not sure I agree. It makes a 'journey' storyline much more difficult, and the GBP have previous for preferring 'journey' contestants. General fitness/stamina/flexibility preparation would be my choice.

However, I don't have a problem with celebs choosing to do a few lessons. I do have a problem with those who refuse to acknowledge previous training/experience (DVO I'm looking at you) and *if* anyone was ever caught having previous lessons but saying they hadn't, my contempt would know no bounds.

Ah, I did wonder, but then thought there was a subtle undercover intelligence at work there too (from coppertop, not James!!)

I mean, there probably IS but not in this exact post.
I'm getting very bad at reading tone these days, But that's what comes from posting without alcohol

[quote=aggs;84603381]I think that's the point Coppertop was making? That if there had been pre-emptive lessons the chances of it being kept secret would be slim. Especially if James got wind of it!

It's almost impossible for Ore to 'prove' he hasn't had lessons. Signed affidavits from every dance teacher in the land would be a bit time consuming . I would put the burden of proof on the one saying that he definitely had been to lessons - and so far it's all gone a bit quiet.

(to be honest, a celeb who has a few lesson after being signed up would just come under the heading of 'eminently sensible' to me).[/

Of course it would be sensible.

He says he hasn't so there is that.