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Old 16-11-2016, 16:11
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Exactly this.

I don't think viewers would be as harsh on Whitney if she seemed to be making and saving money rather than just spending it. Even just a line like "I only spent 20 quid from my wages this week, the rest went into our savings account" or "I've asked Linda for as many shifts as possible so I can put more into our account, I want to contribute as much as I can" it would help make her seem less entitled.
It's not compulsory for both people in a mariage to have jobs. She does have a job, however.
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Old 16-11-2016, 16:13
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I do think Ten Ben is right in that Lee was probably told the upper commission rates and either didn't understand how much was commission based or thought itvwould be easier than it is and he'd hit the targets.

He might then have told Whit those higher figures.
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Old 16-11-2016, 16:23
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It's not compulsory for both people in a mariage to have jobs. She does have a job, however.
Well if Whitney desperately wants a flat you would think she would want to look for a better paid job and not keep nagging Lee all the time. Like people are saying it's not the 1950s anymore. Why should Lee be the main breadwinner? We do have equality nowadays.
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Old 16-11-2016, 16:25
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Well if Whitney desperately wants a flat you would think she would want to look for a better paid job and not keep nagging Lee all the time. Like people are saying it's not the 1950s anymore. Why should Lee be the main breadwinner? We do have equality nowadays.
But Lee does have a very good job, she thinks. He is therefore the main breadwinner.
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Old 16-11-2016, 16:26
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It's not compulsory for both people in a mariage to have jobs. She does have a job, however.
Of course it's not. But most people are aware they won't be abke to afford as much if only one works or one only works part time. Affordability includes where somebody will live and whether there is money to have a baby ir even get married. I know loads of people that have had to delay all 3 (including me with children) because of money. That's the rwality of life niw, especially round London.

She doesn't appear to work at thw Vic very often and coyld probabky make more if she got work elsewhere. It was only meant to be an interim measure, Linda giving her a few shifts when they didn't really need her until she found something else and we haven't seen her looking for work elsewhere. Lee also still does shifts on top of his day job when Mick and Linda are away so if money is so paramount, so could she.
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Old 16-11-2016, 16:27
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How is she a gold digger? She was with Lee when he was selling fish she loves him for him not for his 'money'. She is happy for him, and if she knew the truth I doubt she'd expect him to get a flat. The family are oblivious to Lee's depression, he doesn't look happy at all and despite attempts at getting him to open up they just take his word. So in way knowing that he has history with depression they should be slightly more aware but I can't fault Whit, she's just believing the lies that she has been told.
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Old 16-11-2016, 16:28
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But Lee does have a very good job, she thinks. He is therefore the main breadwinner.
But she wasn't looking for other work even when he was on the fish stall and she knew he was struggling financially and she was still on about moving out.
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Old 16-11-2016, 16:32
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Of course it's not. But most people are aware they won't be abke to afford as much if only one works or one only works part time. Affordability includes where somebody will live and whether there is money to have a baby ir even get married. I know loads of people that have had to delay all 3 (including me with children) because of money. That's the rwality of life niw, especially round London.

She doesn't appear to work at thw Vic very often and coyld probabky make more if she got work elsewhere. It was only meant to be an interim measure, Linda giving her a few shifts when they didn't really need her until she found something else and we haven't seen her looking for work elsewhere. Lee also still does shifts on top of his day job when Mick and Linda are away so if money is so paramount, so could she.
Perhaps she will when Linda goes away. It would be a bit strange if (a) she wasn't first choice to help out, or (b) she didn't jump at the chance.

Babe's going too (although) Whitney doesn't know that either. Mind you, I doubt she's able to run the kitchen (although Abi seems to be able to!).
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Old 16-11-2016, 16:42
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It's Lees fault, he has led them to believe he has a well paid job.
I don't get how his family think he could go from fish seller to high powered exec in the city unless he has hidden talents, story doesn't make sense
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Old 16-11-2016, 16:54
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Depression isnt just for a few weeks ,lees family have forgot how ill he was ,carnt they see how dead he looks ,depression makes you do things you wouldn't have done ,e.g. Get loans ,you cannot afford,steel etc it's not an excuse ,he wants what he's mum and dad have got ,Whitney wants it all and now and lee feels he has to get it all ,wouldn't be shocked if he didn't rob a bank gets caught goes inside ,that could be how he leaves
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Old 16-11-2016, 17:41
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Whitney is annoying me intensely. Not because I feel she is gold digging but because she is happy to sit back and let Lee do it all by himself. Not once have I heard her say what HER contribution is going to be.

Also how thick are the entire family to believe that one minute an ex squaddie with no formal education (that we know of) is selling fish on a market stall and the next he has a big city job managing people and earning mega bucks??? I ask you!!
Couldn't agree more with your post. This is exactly what I've been thinking too. Plus why on earth does Whitney think that one months wages will cover a deposit for a flat in London, the most expensive place to live in the country?
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Old 16-11-2016, 17:48
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No. Whitney is in a relationship with Lee, so she is entitled to be happy. Lee should have been honest about his job. Lee is the one lying to Whitney. She trusts her husband.
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Old 16-11-2016, 17:50
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How is she a gold digger? She was with Lee when he was selling fish she loves him for him not for his 'money'. She is happy for him, and if she knew the truth I doubt she'd expect him to get a flat. The family are oblivious to Lee's depression, he doesn't look happy at all and despite attempts at getting him to open up they just take his word. So in way knowing that he has history with depression they should be slightly more aware but I can't fault Whit, she's just believing the lies that she has been told.
Exactly. Good post
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Old 16-11-2016, 18:28
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He's keeping the truth from her, how is she meant to know he doesn't have all this money. I assume they don't have a jount bank account otherwise she would see how much he earns.

Also, of couse she wants a home of their own, most married couples don't want to live with their parents. Whitney is in a little bubble but I don't think she means to be selfish.
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Old 16-11-2016, 18:31
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I agree totally. They have no idea how debilitating it is.

Whitney's expectations are completely unreasonable and she is contributing very little with just a bar job. Why hasn't she gone back to working with children?
While I agree whit ought to get a better paying job, [b]I think her expectations are [/B]reasonable, she is a naive young woman, & who among us, has not felt the flush of love & believing whatever line of bs we are fed, because we are so much in love we belive anything they say?? I know when I was young, I made stupid mistakes, by believing people, however, I think it is all part of grooming up. Lee has told her a pack of lies about his job, & she is doing her best to support him, helping him with lunches & a briefcase etc, would you rather she snarled & called him a liar, without any proof, most partners try to be supportive of their partner & therefore belive them.
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Old 16-11-2016, 18:34
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How is she a gold digger? She was with Lee when he was selling fish she loves him for him not for his 'money'. She is happy for him, and if she knew the truth I doubt she'd expect him to get a flat. The family are oblivious to Lee's depression, he doesn't look happy at all and despite attempts at getting him to open up they just take his word. So in way knowing that he has history with depression they should be slightly more aware but I can't fault Whit, she's just believing the lies that she has been told.
ITA with everything you wrote.
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Old 16-11-2016, 18:45
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But she wasn't looking for other work even when he was on the fish stall and she knew he was struggling financially and she was still on about moving out.
He has no said that they can't afford it

Couldn't agree more with your post. This is exactly what I've been thinking too. Plus why on earth does Whitney think that one months wages will cover a deposit for a flat in London, the most expensive place to live in the country?
They only need £1,500 for a depoisit and the first months rent. Lee has not said that he hasn't got it

No. Whitney is in a relationship with Lee, so she is entitled to be happy. Lee should have been honest about his job. Lee is the one lying to Whitney. She trusts her husband.
Exactly. She is the victim here .
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Old 16-11-2016, 18:54
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Yes. She is a stupid selfish spoilt idiot. She knows about his despression and ahould know bot to pile the pressure on sufferers nor fall entirely for their "brave face". Can't stand her. Shebwill be a major factor in Lee's suicide if he does take his life.
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Old 16-11-2016, 18:54
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He's keeping the truth from her, how is she meant to know he doesn't have all this money. I assume they don't have a jount bank account otherwise she would see how much he earns.

Also, of couse she wants a home of their own, most married couples don't want to live with their parents. Whitney is in a little bubble but I don't think she means to be selfish.
Exactly.

Added to this, Lee isn't the only one going through life's harshness. Linda's still recovering from her horrible rape, Whitney suffered a miscarriage etc. They can't be worrying about Lee all the time, no normal person can. They're going to take his word on things, and trust him. I can imagine how suffocating it would be for Lee, if everything he said was double and triple checked.
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Old 16-11-2016, 18:56
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Yes. She is a stupid selfish spoilt idiot. She knows about his despression and ahould know bot to pile the pressure on sufferers nor fall entirely for their "brave face". Can't stand her. Shebwill be a major factor in Lee's suicide if he does take his life.

She's not a mind reader.
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Old 16-11-2016, 19:02
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Yes. She is a stupid selfish spoilt idiot. She knows about his despression and ahould know bot to pile the pressure on sufferers nor fall entirely for their "brave face". Can't stand her. Shebwill be a major factor in Lee's suicide if he does take his life.
That's just wrong. Lee is straight up lying to her, she's not a mind reader.
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Old 16-11-2016, 19:21
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Yes. She is a stupid selfish spoilt idiot. She knows about his despression and ahould know bot to pile the pressure on sufferers nor fall entirely for their "brave face". Can't stand her. Shebwill be a major factor in Lee's suicide if he does take his life.
That's unfair. We don't know that she understands anything about depression. As far as she is probably concerned, he's on medication and so that should sort it. Plus he's constantly telling her everything is okay. She knows nothing about depression and none of Whitney, Mick or Linda have ever really shown any understanding of how it affects him or have even had that sort of conversation with him. Lee's good at hiding it.

Yes, she's naive and in a lovey-dovey, newly-married bubble but that's not really her fault. She's believing and is being misled. When the sh1t hits the fan, it's going to hit her very hard.
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Old 16-11-2016, 19:53
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To those saying It is not unreasonable for Whitney to expect a place of their own , no it is just massively unrealistic.
Couples have to save for ages for a place of their own today, on two full time wages, and Lee has literally been in his job a fortnight.

She's being ridiculously entitled.
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Old 16-11-2016, 20:06
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I agree totally. They have no idea how debilitating it is.

Whitney's expectations are completely unreasonable and she is contributing very little with just a bar job. Why hasn't she gone back to working with children?
Good question. She was made redundant from one job but as far as we know hasn't applied for the same position anywhere else. Why not?

I agree Lee's perception of events, view of himself, none existent self esteem etc is clouding his judgement, his depression is really getting him down and it seems no one around him can see he is suffering.

Whitney is being ridiculous at the moment though- Not her fault it's the direction the show is making her go in just so it can tie in with Lee's story- but honestly the things she is doing, expecting and wants for the future is enough to make any guy crack with pressure even if they were not already depressed.

Everything she says at the moment, more or less, is adding to Lee's mental state- even when she is praising him and trying to give him a confidence boost he is interpreting that as more and more pressure to be "perfect" in her eyes and he already feels so worthless that he genuinely can't fathom why Whitney would want him.

It's silly that she or anyone expects the lifestyle she suddenly wants on essentially a single income.

The real issue is the ignorance everyone has surrounding mental illness and I really look forward to seeing how that develops when Lee inevitably cracks.
I agree. Good post.

Re Whitney most people realise that they will probably have to wait a while to get what they want (unless they're wealthy), time to save up for deposits etc but Whitney seems completely oblivious to this. Even if she thought that Lee is in a hot-shot well paid job he's only been there a matter of weeks yet she expects him to ask his boss for a sub?!!

How is she a gold digger? She was with Lee when he was selling fish she loves him for him not for his 'money'. She is happy for him, and if she knew the truth I doubt she'd expect him to get a flat. The family are oblivious to Lee's depression, he doesn't look happy at all and despite attempts at getting him to open up they just take his word. So in way knowing that he has history with depression they should be slightly more aware but I can't fault Whit, she's just believing the lies that she has been told.
I've never seen anyone look so sad/rabbit caught in the headlights on their wedding day yet no one seemed to notice

It does make me wonder if Lee has always been withdrawn, a shyer more quiet child because even his parents don't seem that concerned about him looking so morose.

I've not seen this,weeks yet but I am finding Whitney rather demanding and unrealistic in her ecpectations so somewhat unlikeabke. She is giving the impression that she saw marriage as some.kind of fairytale ending and once married it mwould be her husbands sole responsibility to buy her a nice home and provide for her whilst she is the perfect stay at home housewife and mother. I know she does the odd shift in The Vic but se doesn't seem to be making any effort to find other work and would she even keep up with that job if they'd moved away from the Square?

However, as Aaron says, I do think they are doing it to highlight how little the family understand depression and the damage the kind of pressure they are putting on him, especially Whitney with the flat can have on his health.

[b]I also think they are showing how insular and sheltered Whitneys life has been. I know that sounds odd given what she has been through including the abuse and being homeless but she ckearly has no idea of what office work is avtuakly like for most people on terms of type of work, office set up, salary, hierachy. Even most managers don't have their own offices or secretarys these days. They also wouldn't refer to those that report into them as 'their staff' and they eould be mocked if they, or their wife, did. When Whitney met that colleague, why did she assume he was lower than Lee rather than the same level or even higher? Does she think that Lee is the CEO or Chairman and everybody is lower than him?

She came across like she thinks she is the Queen meeting her subjects.

I don't mean that nastily but I guess all her ideas about working in 'The City' come from tv and films so bear little resemblance to reality. Whuch us not her fault but it all makes it worse for Lee who just can't face correcting her. Because all these high images of his job, like him having his own PA are coming from Whitney, Lee usnt lying about yhem off hus own back to imoress her. He's just not putting her right because he thinks he'll disappoint her and she'll realise she is ,'too good for him' if he's not got al the success status symbols she has assumed he has.[/B
Agree with all this, I think Mick and Linda have been cocooned in the pub world all their working lives too so have no idea either. I suppose they are the easiest people to con and as no one else on the square works 'in the city' he doesn't have fellow city workers asking about his job and finding himself squirming because he can't answer.

Talking of squirming I squirmed for England when she said something about "staff" instead of saying colleague or the likes. Totally crass lol!

Under the cicumstances , yes. What she wants is not unreasonable...a home of their own and a family. What she and the family don't realize is that Lee is still depressed and a pill is not a cure all, not when it comes to this condition.
She's convinced that her dreams are his dreams too and even that he is sublimely happy which couldn't be further from the truth. I am convinced that if she knew the truth she would be completely supportive as would his family.
I'm sure they would be but they'd probably suffocate him with the continual "are you alright Lee?" and giving him concerned looks. They were baffled by his depression and didn't have a clue, wondering what he had to be depressed about etc. They really couldn't get their heads around it. But at least the pressure of lying would be lifted from his shoulders.

And yes it's totally understandable that she wants to home of her own, but most people (especially in London) realise that they have to wait, that expecting so quickly is unrealistic (again unless you're wealthy). Plus there's not just the flat, it has to be furnished too. I can only think that Lee's hold her he's on a massive salary!

Whitney is annoying me intensely. Not because I feel she is gold digging but because she is happy to sit back and let Lee do it all by himself. Not once have I heard her say what HER contribution is going to be.

Also how thick are the entire family to believe that one minute an ex squaddie with no formal education (that we know of) is selling fish on a market stall and the next he has a big city job managing people and earning mega bucks??? I ask you!!
Again I agree with this and like I said it shows how cocooned Mick and Linda have been and how Whitney's living in la-la land!

But yes, why hasn't she looked for a better paid job herself if she's so desperate? If they're both earning about the same they could get it a lot quicker.

But she wasn't looking for other work even when he was on the fish stall and she knew he was struggling financially and she was still on about moving out.
Exactly. Unrealistic expectations. I know Linda drove her mad when she was pregnant but she's eased off a lot since the miscarriage and isn't in her face as much. In fact they get on really well now so where's the problem in staying where they are for say a year so they can squirrel money away? Someone needs to have a serious word with her.

I still say she should have married a footballer lol!
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Old 16-11-2016, 20:07
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To those saying It is not unreasonable for Whitney to expect a place of their own , no it is just massively unrealistic.
Couples have to save for ages for a place of their own today, on two full time wages, and Lee has literally been in his job a fortnight.

She's being ridiculously entitled.
They're looking to rent, though, not buy.
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