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Old 16-11-2016, 20:14
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He has no said that they can't afford it

They only need £1,500 for a depoisit and the first months rent. Lee has not said that he hasn't got it



Exactly. She is the victim here .
He said they couldn't afford their own flat plenty of times when he was on the fish stall and she kept talking about it. That was the point that I was making, that this hasn't only started since he got this brilliant job.

I've said all through that I don't blame her for spending money since Lee told her that she could.

Lee is scared stiff of disappointing Whitney and again, most of her beliefs about his great job have cone from her own imagination. She assuned he had hus own PA, own office and staff, he didn't make that up off his own back.

I'd say they are both victims in this. Lee is a victim of Whitneys assumptions and expectations although she doesn't know she is doing it to him and she is a victim of Lee's depression and insecurity leavung him unable to tell her the truth and admit hevis struggling financially and emotionally.
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Old 16-11-2016, 20:31
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They're looking to rent, though, not buy.
Its still £1,500 up front, plus Whitneys furnishings, based on a job he's had a fortnight -two weeks after paying for their wedding!
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Old 16-11-2016, 20:49
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Are they looking to rent? I thought she was talking about shared ownership a couple of weeks ago which does help a lot (I know a few people that have done it in East London) but you still need a deposit and mortgage but nit as big a one.

If they are just renting I'll ease up a bit re being unrealistic now Whitney believes he has a great job and high salary but that doesn't deal with when she wanted tomove into one of Jack's flats and asked Kee to ask Mick for the deposit. If they hadn't saved the money forvthe deposit whist living at the Vuc
With minimal, if any rent and utilities to pay, how did she tjink they'd manage the.monthly bills (rent, utilities, council tax, food) of their own place? Plus as Lotty mentioned, furnishings.

And this was when she knew he was earning very little.on the fish stall and he was saying they couldn't afford it let alone it and the wedding. I cleatly remember him saying it several times as I remember commenting on it in threads. Could probably find the dates if I went back through my posting history.
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Old 16-11-2016, 20:50
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They only need £1,500 for a depoisit and the first months rent. Lee has not said that he hasn't got it
I was referring to her pestering him to put a deposit down on the shared ownership flat in Stratford. It's only when she believed it was no longer available that she has now decided they should rent a flat from Jack on the Square.
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Old 16-11-2016, 22:16
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I was referring to her pestering him to put a deposit down on the shared ownership flat in Stratford. It's only when she believed it was no longer available that she has now decided they should rent a flat from Jack on the Square.
Yes, that is what I was referring to as well. As stated in your first post I haven't seen this week's yet so am still on the Stratford flat.

She did want one of Jacks flats weeks ago before Lee had the new job.
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Old 16-11-2016, 22:50
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To those saying It is not unreasonable for Whitney to expect a place of their own , no it is just massively unrealistic.
Couples have to save for ages for a place of their own today, on two full time wages, and Lee has literally been in his job a fortnight.

She's being ridiculously entitled.
Lee has not said that they cannot afford a place, so how is she being entitled ?
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Old 17-11-2016, 00:12
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Its still £1,500 up front, plus Whitneys furnishings, based on a job he's had a fortnight -two weeks after paying for their wedding!
Indeed but that's quite cheap compared to what other places would cost, and Jack's doing them a special deal. I'm not quibbling about the money involved but Lee isn't telling Whitney he doesn't have the money and she isn't taking any repsonsibility herself either to earn some or to get her head around their finances.

Are they looking to rent? I thought she was talking about shared ownership a couple of weeks ago which does help a lot (I know a few people that have done it in East London) but you still need a deposit and mortgage but nit as big a one.

If they are just renting I'll ease up a bit re being unrealistic now Whitney believes he has a great job and high salary but that doesn't deal with when she wanted tomove into one of Jack's flats and asked Kee to ask Mick for the deposit. If they hadn't saved the money forvthe deposit whist living at the Vuc
With minimal, if any rent and utilities to pay, how did she tjink they'd manage the.monthly bills (rent, utilities, council tax, food) of their own place? Plus as Lotty mentioned, furnishings.

And this was when she knew he was earning very little.on the fish stall and he was saying they couldn't afford it let alone it and the wedding. I cleatly remember him saying it several times as I remember commenting on it in threads. Could probably find the dates if I went back through my posting history.
Yes, that is what I was referring to as well. As stated in your first post I haven't seen this week's yet so am still on the Stratford flat.

She did want one of Jacks flats weeks ago before Lee had the new job.
Yes, they didn't get the Stratford flat and Jack was let down by some tenants he had lined up for one of his flats. Therefore he has cut them a deal, so renting is back on the agenda. It won't help them save up for a deposit of course but that hasn't been mentioned.

It'll make more sense when you see Monday and Tuesday's episodes.
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Old 17-11-2016, 01:59
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I think it's a shame that Nancy is around for this storyline. Everyone is pandering to Whitney's whims, Johnny is aware that Lee is in debt and struggling to cope, but he won't speak up properly for him. Nancy would have no problem telling Whitney to curve the spending and expectations of her brother while also telling Lee to get help and confront his problems. Granted, some people saw Nancy as being interfering with other people's problems but she did do her best to help the people she cared about and not back down from confrontation. Lee needs someone to help him right now and stop him from digging an even bigger hole for himself, Johnny is too mild mannered to do this.
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Old 17-11-2016, 02:51
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In the end Lee is alone - he may be incredibly lucky enough to share a bed with someone who loves him but that will not be enough.

No one who has not suffered from severe clinical depression truly understands - his family certainly don't - and that is very common unfortunately.

It's still seen as pathetic weakness not suffered by 'real men' especially in tough working class communities.

It's slightly more than feeling a bit 'down', people cannot function, eat or even look after themselves at it's worst.
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Old 17-11-2016, 03:40
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Whitney is annoying me intensely. Not because I feel she is gold digging but because she is happy to sit back and let Lee do it all by himself. Not once have I heard her say what HER contribution is going to be.

Also how thick are the entire family to believe that one minute an ex squaddie with no formal education (that we know of) is selling fish on a market stall and the next he has a big city job managing people and earning mega bucks??? I ask you!!
That's my issue with this. The family know he has no qualifications so any "city job" was never going to be PA/ own office/ paying mega bucks and everyone knows sales = low base rate and depends upon commission. Personally, whilst I get the feeling we are supposed to think his work colleagues idiots I can't help but feel they are quite normal and thought the "top seller" guy was quite nice for not dobbing lee in and playing along with his story. Yes, he is cocky, but he does not appear to be a bad person. This may come into play later. Even the boss, who whilst a bit of an idiot, some of his comments are relatively fair. ie. the moment you start bringing in 20 sales a day Lee I'll give you an advance. Bottom of a board (all Lee's doing) is not going to be looking good for him. Plus he seems like he is not making an effort with his colleagues. He's from the army so would have thought he'd be used to people like the call centre and bosses, which I suppose is to highlight how his depression has impacted his ability to make friends etc... No doubt he'll get fired after bottom of the board for weeks and the pressure will get to him. I really think the only plausible, storyline way this story is going is suicide or attempted suicide. Suicide might have more impact and be a brave storyline for Eastenders to tackle as I'm tired of the red tape on certain storylines. Surely it is good to highlight how many people can suffer from depression with noone realising.
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Old 17-11-2016, 03:59
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I think it's a shame that Nancy is around for this storyline. Everyone is pandering to Whitney's whims, Johnny is aware that Lee is in debt and struggling to cope, but he won't speak up properly for him. Nancy would have no problem telling Whitney to curve the spending and expectations of her brother while also telling Lee to get help and confront his problems. Granted, some people saw Nancy as being interfering with other people's problems but she did do her best to help the people she cared about and not back down from confrontation. Lee needs someone to help him right now and stop him from digging an even bigger hole for himself, Johnny is too mild mannered to do this.
That's a good point, Nancy would definitely have said something as she wasn't backwards in coming forward. His sister might have noticed how he is more than his parents who are too wrapped up in each other to notice anything else and on the rare occasions when they do notice are easily fobbed off - because that's what they want to hear. But Nancy might have been at him like a dog on a bone, not giving up or being fobbed off. I know Whitney is naive, daft and probably still reeling herself from her miscarriage (so is focusing on something else to take her mind off it) but I really wish Nancy was here to give her a dose of reality.
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Old 17-11-2016, 04:09
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I don't know what to think about this. Lee is leading her to believe he's got a good job but surely she's not gulible enough to believe him? I don't think she's being unreasonable if she truly believes what he's telling her.

Whitney is annoying me intensely. Not because I feel she is gold digging but because she is happy to sit back and let Lee do it all by himself. Not once have I heard her say what HER contribution is going to be.

Also how thick are the entire family to believe that one minute an ex squaddie with no formal education (that we know of) is selling fish on a market stall and the next he has a big city job managing people and earning mega bucks??? I ask you!!
The Carters are incredibly thick, to be fair.
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Old 17-11-2016, 04:47
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That's a good point, Nancy would definitely have said something as she wasn't backwards in coming forward. His sister might have noticed how he is more than his parents who are too wrapped up in each other to notice anything else and on the rare occasions when they do notice are easily fobbed off - because that's what they want to hear. But Nancy might have been at him like a dog on a bone, not giving up or being fobbed off. I know Whitney is naive, daft and probably still reeling herself from her miscarriage (so is focusing on something else to take her mind off it) but I really wish Nancy was here to give her a dose of reality.
Nancy's priorities would surely be her brother. She should sort him out first.
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Old 17-11-2016, 08:36
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Lee has not said that they cannot afford a place, so how is she being entitled ?
Because she doesn't appear to be paying for any of it herself, who lives off their husband in this day and age?
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Old 17-11-2016, 10:04
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I think it's a shame that Nancy is around for this storyline. Everyone is pandering to Whitney's whims, Johnny is aware that Lee is in debt and struggling to cope, but he won't speak up properly for him. Nancy would have no problem telling Whitney to curve the spending and expectations of her brother while also telling Lee to get help and confront his problems. Granted, some people saw Nancy as being interfering with other people's problems but she did do her best to help the people she cared about and not back down from confrontation. Lee needs someone to help him right now and stop him from digging an even bigger hole for himself, Johnny is too mild mannered to do this.
Some good points. If Lee does decide to commit suicide, the guilt that Johnny feels is going to be horrendous that he didn't speak up sooner. I think he feels caught in the middle of being Whitney's friend and Lee's brother, and he doesn't want to betray either of them. He tried to get Lee to be honest and that didn't work so now I guess he's feeling like he just needs to stand back and let Lee work it out for himself. At the same time he's still concerned and questioning things, like we saw in Tuesday's episode when he talked about the deposit, but this approach isn't helping Lee's depression in the slightest.

Nancy would have no doubt sussed out what was happening and got Lee to see his GP, as she did first time around, and would also have told the family. In some ways that approach would have worked but it would have once again taken a lot of power away from Lee and potentially left him feeling even more hopeless.

There is no easy way for this situation to resolve itself, particularly as Lee's web of lies is so large at this point. It hugely complicates the matter as he not only feels guilt for the depression but also the situation he's found himself in re: his finances.
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Old 17-11-2016, 10:31
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I think people are forgetting the guilt already carries, maybe the biggest of all.....he let Whitney take the blame for the Clamydia and now knows that it could well be his actions that caused the miscarriage.

I do agree that Nancy would have been the one to notice. With hindsight she had good reason for getting frustrated with her family at times. Talk about head in the sand.
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Old 17-11-2016, 10:34
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Because she doesn't appear to be paying for any of it herself, who lives off their husband in this day and age?
She works full time in the Vic, she took over Nancy's job. I doubt she pockets the lot.
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Old 17-11-2016, 10:37
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She works full time in the Vic, she took over Nancy's job. I doubt she pockets the lot.
But there was no indication from her that she'd contribute anything towards the deposit. She was also talking about the money she needed to decorate the flat. So where is her money going?
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Old 17-11-2016, 10:45
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Not to mention her harping on about trying for another baby, baby's cost money.
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Old 17-11-2016, 10:59
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But there was no indication from her that she'd contribute anything towards the deposit. She was also talking about the money she needed to decorate the flat. So where is her money going?
I assume Lee is in charge of the money. I think they deliberately leave out her contribution to emphasized the pressure he feels under. I do remember Whitney mentioning their account the other week. She's certainly not been splashing out. When she's not at work she's looking after Ollie or spending time with Lauren or Lee.
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Old 17-11-2016, 11:27
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I don't think Whitney is a gold-digger but she's being portrayed as one because she was pestering Lee all the time about their new flat. I think Whitney does have savings but she is being written out of character so the audience can see Lee is feeling very pressured.

Whitney works full-time in the Vic and she shouldn't be broke or have minimal savings. I presume she works at least 8 hours per day (5 days a week) so if she works 40 hours a week and London's minimum wage is £9.75 per hour, she earns roughly £390 per week. I presume she gets paid four weekly instead of monthly payments. 4 x £390 = £1560 per month and I'm guessing her net pay is something like £1350 because she needs to pay for tax and national insurance and possibly has a pension scheme. She lives in London = expensive.

I think she pays Mick and Linda at least £350 a month on rent. That should leave her £1000 left? She probably spends £200 on clothes and meals out etc.

So she should have some savings left. She should be able to help Lee with the deposit payments if he hasn't got enough money in the bank.
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Old 17-11-2016, 14:21
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Whitney has just lost her baby, she's throwing herself into the wedding as a coping mechanism.

Plus, as you've mentioned, she's been dragged up by the Jacksons and hasn't had anything great in her life, Lee has told her he has a well paid job in the city and she can have what she wants. Why would she disbelieve him?

Whitney has had some really vile boyfriends over the years & she's finally found happiness with what she sees as a stable, loving family.

Whitney would have been proud of lee getting a job in a call centre if he had told her from the start, it's Lee's perception that's screwed because of the depression. He doesn't think his job is good enough, he doesn't think he's good enough for Whitney.

Most people suffer with depression in silence and no-one around them are aware. All his family can see is their successful fiancée / son getting married and it's time to push the boat out because of the heartache they endured a month or so ago.
agreed! Whitney has never been some kind of gold digger, no idea where people are getting that from. As someone with depression you do your best to put on a brave face and pretend things are better than they are because you feel like a burden and you don't want people to worry. Lee is obviously feeling ashamed he can't "be a man and provide". To me it feels pretty realistic that no one is noticing how lee is because he's trying his best to hide it.
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Old 17-11-2016, 17:26
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Knowing his depression, too me she's coming off as a good digger and she's forgetting she was raised at the bottom of the pile with the low life Jackson family. So without Lees fake big job in the city. She would think he's less of the man she's been hoping for.
Yep, I've always said she was a gold digger. She lives off his family, does very little to help out, and constantly whines and pressures Lee to spend on her. How on EARTH does she imagine he's doing well enough to have a PA and his own office??
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Old 17-11-2016, 17:27
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Yep, I've always said she was a gold digger. She lives off his family, does very little to help out, and constantly whines and pressures Lee to spend on her. How on EARTH does she imagine he's doing well enough to have a PA and his own office??
She's not a gold digger or she wouldn't have married Lee. There's a massive difference between someone having a bit of extra cash as a result of a job than a millionaire
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Old 17-11-2016, 17:40
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I think some people on here clearly don't know what a Gold Digger is.

It's marrying someone for their money. She got with, and in turn engaged to Lee when he was unemployed living at home.

If she was a gold digger, she'd be after Jack or Vincent.


She may seem unreasonable, but it's not much to expect a place of their own - not when he's lied to her about how much he's earning. I know he's depressed, but why lie about that job in the first place?

And the whole thing about her not having a job is stupid, she works in The Vic. But as wth most characters in soaps and their jobs... They seem to be on flexi-time.
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