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#326 |
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Well that's not strictly true - the sales never materialised because the customers failed credit checks. Whilst I agree it means £0.00, it wasn't necessarily their fault.
They performed strong selecting products and asking the correct questions, and the speedboat company picked them over the other team because of this. On the day, the only real fault Claude had was that they spent a part of the morning doing their reading instead of selling - which isn't a bad thing imo. But the other 4... shocking on every level. I feel sorry for Alana because she is capable but selling on a stall is hard and a specific talent - which is why she and Dillon survived imo because they have shown their strengths at selling and PMing in other tasks. Karthik went because he was terrible and Samuel went for not being a team player - he didnt push to be on the high end team because it was a ready made excuse for why they could have failed the task. Instead he should have been fighting for the team from the start. Then he only sold £70 worth of stock despite claiming to do sales for a living. |
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Surprised to see that the guests on You're Fired reckoned Samuel had a chance of being in the final? He was one of the worst candidates. I didn't notice he was in the process until week 3.
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Appreciate what you're saying but u sometimes feel that people get fired because they are not good at sales, but that's not the point if the show now? Or it would be called the sales apprentice. It's all a fake process designed to whittle down the contestants to the interview stage when the real contest begins
This week there's also the other questions that decide - does he stand up and deal with issues, will he do as he's told, will he accept blame, or hide problems, and can he spot and understand and think his way out of issues. Those, and judgement generally, are all very relevant to picking a partner. |
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I am genuinely SHOCKED - how the heck did Frances and Sofiane manage to sell TWO with such technique?
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I am genuinely SHOCKED - how the heck did Frances and Sofiane manage to sell TWO with such technique?
Anyway, I'm glad Samuel's gone. He would now be top of my list of most attractive candidates this year, but as someone described him, he is a complete and utter snake. He even had to answer back to Karen on You're Fired, his ego is that big. Wow. The audience applause was pathetic for his entrance. |
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She does if you listen to her noting whats going wrong, and when her PM makes a dumb decision. And she shows she understands whats gone wrong in the boardroom - she gets it.
Samuel was a loose cannon and truly not very bright - the Waterloo mime act is one of the stupidest ideas ever, and was then terribly executed too. Karthik had lots of enthusiasm, but was almost useless - indecisive as a PM, disruptive as a team member, silly arguments for decisions this week, ridiculous buying technique last week Dillon seems very limited to what he does, and no more. There's not much else there I actually enjoyed this one and glad to see Frances win, I like her. Martin Lewis on YF was great - he's phenomenally successful and knows a thing or two. I paid off my mortgage 10 years early thanks to his advice on Money Saving Expert. |
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I am genuinely SHOCKED - how the heck did Frances and Sofiane manage to sell TWO with such technique?
Because it was with these two that it was mentioned that the customer needed to pass a credit check. Which naturally led me to believe that it was this team who would go on to lose the task. Very clever that they snuck that bit of info in there when it was the other team who lost the task for exactly the same reason. By the way I thought that this was a fantastic show. Best show of the series for me by a country mile. It felt like the show was back to its best for this week. |
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Samuel's business plan was very vague when questioned on You're Fired - 'An app' yeah great there are millions and millions of those these days mate
Karthik was also vague 'Something to do with IT' when Sugar already had/flogged/left Amstrad and Viglen Don't understand why they couldn't postpone filming of the task until the next day(s) either when it wasn't chucking it down, as Sugar mentioned the show went on and some of the jet skis were sold Funny how Karen is a lot nicer on You're Fired too! |
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Also my problem this series in particular is I totally lose track of which candidates are in which teams / sub teams until pretty much the end of the tasks / start of the boardroom anyway!
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Martin Lewis on YF was great - he's phenomenally successful and knows a thing or two. I paid off my mortgage 10 years early thanks to his advice on Money Saving Expert.
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I am genuinely SHOCKED - how the heck did Frances and Sofiane manage to sell TWO with such technique?
its all too random. You win because someone else is unlucky or worse, and very few people will get a second chance to PM, and show off what they can do , if someone on their team fouls up. In the first 7 series, finalists had at least two chances to PM |
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thats why this is all a bit silly. We don't see the winning sales often, we don't know why the ones we saw didn't materialise, and we do see, in this case, why those two should have sold nothing - by knowing nothing about what they were selling.
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Did nobody else notice that Samuel asked somebody if they were into watersports ?
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Yes but if a salesman can't sell, there's not much of his CV left, and he hadn't shown anything else elsewhere. And at some point, whatever the partner does, will have to be sold to someone.
This week there's also the other questions that decide - does he stand up and deal with issues, will he do as he's told, will he accept blame, or hide problems, and can he spot and understand and think his way out of issues. Those, and judgement generally, are all very relevant to picking a partner. |
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So by my understanding of events, it was to all intents and purposes impossible for the team who got the jet skis to win the task, seeing as the arranged buyers couldn't actually buy the things in the first place.
Talk about a stitch up. Their only chance was to sell to random footfall, and I don't care who you are, you aint selling £18k jet skis to random passer by's on a day like that. It's just not an impulse purchase. The other team did a great job selling the low cost items, but their big tickets item sellers were atrocious. The boats basically sold themselves to the arranged customers and just required a deaf mute to take the money. I bet the new owners are wondering where their free canapes are now though. |
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I wonder if the fact the speedboat was under cover helped?
Frances and Sofiane had time to sit down and have a nice chat etc with the customers in the boat which was dry, whereas the jetskis were out in the open. I would guess it's harder to get people to stop and chat with you if it's tipping it down. |
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It would have interesting if Titan had "won" in terms of selling the small/medium items and only lost because of not selling any jet skis...
As it happens, they were wiped out on both categories, so LS was able to spare Courtney and Grainne |
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I know she can't help it but Frances has the most irritating voice I've heard in a long time. And talking about 'canapes' on the speedboat. I think she meant 'canopies'! I wonder why nobody corrected her, the customers at least.
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Only 14 pages for an Apprentice episode must be one of the fewest for many years, if not ever?
I have only really liked the female candidates this year (except maybe Alana who I'm not really sure why Sugar seems to like). Frances is impressive, especially her attitude, Grainne professional, Jessica good personality, Trishna is apparently so good she is waiting to 'explode' (according to another candidate in the house lol) |
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Rubbish task. Boring episode.
As numerous people have already said it was all about the high end product. 3/4 people left to peddle the low end equipment was kind off pointless. |
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Prosecco.
Anyway, I'm glad Samuel's gone. He would now be top of my list of most attractive candidates this year, but as someone described him, he is a complete and utter snake. He even had to answer back to Karen on You're Fired, his ego is that big. Wow. The audience applause was pathetic for his entrance. |
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I would have kept Samuel. This might be saying the unsayable, but I wondered if Karthik put him on selling the cheaper stuff when his experience supposedly lies at the high end - unless it's all BS, of course - because he couldn't picture a black man selling jet skis to rich white folks.
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I would have kept Samuel. This might be saying the unsayable, but I wondered if Karthik put him on selling the cheaper stuff when his experience supposedly lies at the high end - unless it's all BS, of course - because he couldn't picture a black man selling jet skis to rich white folks.
But Karthik was a fool. If someone says they sell high value products, then you put them on the jet skis. If they are as good as they say they are you win the task. If not, and you lose, then you have a ready made scapegoat- 'He told me it was his speciality...' |
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Don't get the logic in allowing Grainne and Courtney back to the house when they sold absolutely zilch?
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