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*SPOILER* Blackpool Please do not hint at results elsewhere until Sun show has aired
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Mystical123
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by catkins198:
“Well as a dance teacher can you give your opinion on whether Ed danced a jive or not”

I'm a novice dancer rather than a dance teacher, and even I could see there were jive steps in that routine. How well they were danced is another question entirely, but dancing them badly doesn't mean it's not a jive, it just means it's a jive danced badly!
An Thropologist
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by catkins198:
“Well we obviously see things differently because I don't think Ed looks surprised to be voted through at all. I think he looks as though he knew and expected to be. Greg, to me, always looked far more surprised.

I also don't agree that Greg has zero personality or thinks he is superior. He seems a bit shy to me and I much prefer his personality to that of Ed




Well just because Daisy's so called salsa did not contain salsa does not mean Ed's did. Karen Hardy who I believe knows what she is talking about said it contained very little salsa. Strange that it was not mentioned by the judges and yet Greg's lack of rhumba steps was”

It contained as much if not more than Karen's famed salsa to a Soca track. And I say that as a die hard Mark R fan.
jtnorth
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by catkins198:
“I am not so much annoyed, more frustrated that people supporting Ed, which of course they are entitled to do, go on and on about he is improving, he is trying so hard, he is so nice blah blah blah BUT surely all that can be said about Greg. The difference is Greg has improved far more than Ed and has danced proper steps in his dances unlike Ed in his salsa and jive.

I would have liked Greg to reach the final but am realistic enough to see that even though I really like him that was never really going to happen.

I am sad that he has gone and sad for him and Natalie. Why did he not deserve the same support as Ed as a non dancer improving week on week?”

I think it's interesting what someone in Greg's position can do. As a fit good-looking man he can't go down the comedy route. I think that if Greg had attempted to do something on the lines of Ed's gangnam style dance it would have seemed silly rather than funny. Not for anything lacking in Greg I don't think Ore could do it either, or Danny if some weird reason he tried. Natalie tried going for drama rather than comedy to 'entertain' but they were picked up on not enough content (though if she had done a straight rumba he'd have gone sooner). I don't know what more they could have done other than Craig's oh so helpful suggestion of surgery.

i think for someone with Greg's lack of natural ability, and his feet and legs, getting as far as Blackpool should be seen as a real success, evidence of his popularity and recognition of his improvement. Ed is a news story and it's hard to compare them. Greg goes out on a very good dance, before the cha cha-thon and going to 2 dances, which wouldn't have suited him, and while I will miss him I don't think that has been a bad result for him.
Monkseal
20-11-2016
Karen said "Gangnam - 10, Salsa - 1" and then said Ed's basic technique wasnt good at all. I don't remember her saying anything about lack of content.
Amethyzt
20-11-2016
Spoiler Result for new Page


Claudia v Greg

GREG OUT

Congratulations to our Spoiler time winner Mabbus Cattus 11.10 pm
Amethyzt
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Thanks to luckwudhaveit and Thursday Next.”



Thanks to our Moles
katmobile
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by jtnorth:
“I think it's interesting what someone in Greg's position can do. As a fit good-looking man he can't go down the comedy route. I think that if Greg had attempted to do something on the lines of Ed's gangnam style dance it would have seemed silly rather than funny. Not for anything lacking in Greg I don't think Ore could do it either, or Danny if some weird reason he tried. Natalie tried going for drama rather than comedy to 'entertain' but they were picked up on not enough content (though if she had done a straight rumba he'd have gone sooner). I don't know what more they could have done other than Craig's oh so helpful suggestion of surgery.

i think for someone with Greg's lack of natural ability, and his feet and legs, getting as far as Blackpool should be seen as a real success, evidence of his popularity and recognition of his improvement. Ed is a news story and it's hard to compare them. Greg goes out on a very good dance, before the cha cha-thon and going to 2 dances, which wouldn't have suited him, and while I will miss him I don't think that has been a bad result for him.”

Agreed and the result doesn't so much annoy me as some of the mean spirited rejoicing about it. He's probably done his career a lot of good.
Sandy_Andrews
20-11-2016
Thank you Monaogg and the mole for the Spoiler !
jeffiner1892
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Amethyzt:
“Thanks to everyone who answered my question re who will Greg supporters vote for now.

I noted down everyones reply and it's fairly wide across the remaining celebs, with votes now going to ;


Ed, Rob R, Claudia, Danny, Louise

no one, so far, has said they will switch to Ore”

I will be. Although Ed might be getting the odd vote too.
Doghouse Riley
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by katmobile:
“Agreed and the result doesn't so much annoy me as some of the mean spirited rejoicing about it. He's probably done his career a lot of good.”

I mentioned a few weeks ago that all most of us knew about Greg was what we saw on the long jump runway at many athletics meetings. No way to judge someone's personality when in such a stressful situation.
But he came across quite well when interviewed on this show, a pleasant personality, not a show off and spoke very well. I suggested at the time he would, when he retires, be an ideal replacement for BBC Sports, for Jonathan Edwards, who has since gone "independent."
Those who remember will be aware he almost literally jumped out of the sand pit straight into the commentary box, minutes after we'd seen him complete his last competitive jump at an athletics meeting covered by the BBC.
ladydancer1
20-11-2016
I was on early this morning for the spoiler result but did'nt get to post my thanks. Many thanks again to all who brought the spoiler and organised and updated this thread.
catkins198
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Colin_Smith5:
“Some basic moves in it mostly, he kept to tempo but style, attitude and technical perfection was totally missing.”

Thank you.

Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“It contained as much if not more than Karen's famed salsa to a Soca track. And I say that as a die hard Mark R fan.”

I'm not talking about Karen's dance or anyone other than Ed.


Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Karen said "Gangnam - 10, Salsa - 1" and then said Ed's basic technique wasnt good at all. I don't remember her saying anything about lack of content.”

Surely Salsa - 1 refers to the amount of salsa content? Not lack of content generally but lack of salsa content
Gary Baldi
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“Sorry but you're incorrect. Every single one of Ed's routines has had recognised steps from the dance it is supposed to be. They may not be the most technically difficult steps but they are there.”

To adapt a Morcambe and Wise line, seems like Ed has all the right steps but not necessarily in the right order. A dance DISAAAAAAAASTER.
catkins198
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“I'm a novice dancer rather than a dance teacher, and even I could see there were jive steps in that routine. How well they were danced is another question entirely, but dancing them badly doesn't mean it's not a jive, it just means it's a jive danced badly!”

Danced extremely badly! I reckon my dog could do a better jive than that
BuddyBontheNet
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by catkins198:
“...I am not disputing that he is dancing the steps but he is not dancing them properly. His salsa was not a salsa and his jive last night was not a jive. Just flicking your foot or leg does not constitute a jive.

Some weeks I thought Ed has done a good job of the dance, doing the right steps as far as I can tell and being light on his feet. His Gangnam style dance I enjoyed and thought he danced it well and those lifts were really good. Last night though was not good and he may have been doing a dance of sorts but it really was not a jive”

His steps are often a long way from perfect, but they're usually recognisable and he's always on the beat. In other words, he doing quite well for someone with no experience. He's surely due some Ballroom in hold now and he's much better at Ballroom. I hated his Paso lowest point IMHO) and last night wasn't great, but it wasn't 5 points behind Claudia.
bigbro24
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by jtnorth:
“I think it's interesting what someone in Greg's position can do. As a fit good-looking man he can't go down the comedy route. I think that if Greg had attempted to do something on the lines of Ed's gangnam style dance it would have seemed silly rather than funny. Not for anything lacking in Greg I don't think Ore could do it either, or Danny if some weird reason he tried. Natalie tried going for drama rather than comedy to 'entertain' but they were picked up on not enough content (though if she had done a straight rumba he'd have gone sooner). I don't know what more they could have done other than Craig's oh so helpful suggestion of surgery.

i think for someone with Greg's lack of natural ability, and his feet and legs, getting as far as Blackpool should be seen as a real success, evidence of his popularity and recognition of his improvement. Ed is a news story and it's hard to compare them. Greg goes out on a very good dance, before the cha cha-thon and going to 2 dances, which wouldn't have suited him, and while I will miss him I don't think that has been a bad result for him.”

Was not a fan of Greg but I agree with this. Ola tried the comedy/entertainment route with her athlete partner whose name I've forgotten, and they lasted like 2/3 weeks. I think that Nat and Greg were a good match
An Thropologist
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by catkins198:
“Thank you.



I'm not talking about Karen's dance or anyone other than Ed.




Surely Salsa - 1 refers to the amount of salsa content? Not lack of content generally but lack of salsa content”


My point is for all her credentials in International 10 Ballroom and Latin and her authority in those dances, she , in common with Len, Craig et.al wouldn't know a salsa if it bit her on the nose.
Bluebird69
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by catkins198:
“We also had Greg who had never danced and was doing well, better than Ed but most people seem to want to ignore that. Why not "good for Greg for improving week on week"?

Maybe Greg should have gone down the comedy route and then perhaps he would not have been in the dance off last night.

Greg improved enormously and a couple of his dances I really enjoyed, including last night's one. He was miles better than Ed (he did the right steps whereas Ed did not, despite what some posters are saying, do a jive) and personally I thought he danced better than Rinder.

I don't dislike Ed but I don't get all the fawning over him. Yes he is improving but so was Greg and Rinder and Ed is improving much much slower than either of them. Ed is probably a nice guy but I think Greg is just as nicer, in fact nicer (not so keen on Rinder). Ed is enjoying himself and wants to stay. Well so was Greg and Rinder.”

I think Greg was very likeable, and having a decent stab at it as somebody coming in with zero experience. I was voting for him and would have liked him to go further. But not everybody feels the same and he got fewer votes, that's just the way the show goes *shrugs*. No good tying yourself up in knots with all the "why?"s and "what-if"?s
He's gone, I've moved on and will throw the extra votes to Ed or Judge R.

Originally Posted by catkins198:
“I am just interested in why you say Ed did do a jive. It was meant to be a jive, the steps were meant to be jive steps BUT Ed did not do them properly. Where was the flick or kick of the jive steps?

I would guess that you think Peter Andre did a jive last year? He certainly did not though”

Peter Andre's jive was abysmal, no doubt about it. But didn't he get 9s and 10s from the judges? Is somebody going to tell them it wasn't a jive?
Cadiva
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“His steps are often a long way from perfect, but they're usually recognisable and he's always on the beat.

In other words, he doing quite well for someone with no experience. He's surely due some Ballroom in hold now and he's much better at Ballroom. I hated his Paso lowest point IMHO) and last night wasn't great, but it wasn't 5 points behind Claudia.”

Agreed.
StrictlyEastend
20-11-2016
Regarding Ed Balls, whether you like him or not, whether you want him to win or not, everyone should respect each others views.

I can see both sides but I personally want Ed to go but I don't blame anyone for wanting him to stay.
Monkseal
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Bluebird69:
“Peter Andre's jive was abysmal, no doubt about it. But didn't he get 9s and 10s from the judges? Is somebody going to tell them it wasn't a jive? ”

No, Craig gave him a 6, Darcey a 7, and the other two 8s. It scored lower than any dance at this Blackpool other than Ed's.
Bluebird69
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“No, Craig gave him a 6, Darcey a 7, and the other two 8s. It scored lower than any dance at this Blackpool other than Ed's.”

Thank you. I guess my overriding memory of PA in last year's show was him being over marked for every mediocre dance he did.

Those scores were still way too high for such a terrible dance, though. No wonder the shouts of 'Fix!!' got a little deafening after that!

Nothing much has changed, has it?
Lordsally
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by catkins198:
“Danced extremely badly! I reckon my dog could do a better jive than that”

Sweetheart, just let it go. Ed is still in, because the voting public have voted that way, that's how it works.

I can see this isn't to your liking, but no amount of argument from you is going to change it.

It's a tv show, not life or death. Breathe in, and slowly out. And repeat. And I mean this kindly, believe me, I do.
vibbles
20-11-2016
thank you for the spoiler Monaogg
having just watched the D/O Claudia was not good at all as much as I like Her
made me think of PA last year

the judges painted themselves into a corner last night with Her marks, IMO they had watched the rehearsals and had already made their minds up who they wanted at the top, Len said as much on ITT last year
Pontywarrior
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Lordsally:
“Sweetheart, just let it go. Ed is still in, because the voting public have voted that way, that's how it works.

I can see this isn't to your liking, but no amount of argument from you is going to change it.

It's a tv show, not life or death. Breathe in, and slowly out. And repeat. And I mean this kindly, believe me, I do.”

Wow!

While this isn't aimed at me I find this post disgustingly condescending!
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