also how is 4G prioritised as EE dont mention anything like 4G2600,4G1800,4G800 and is 4G800 be on full power?
EE 800 Mhz 4G to go live next week
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Originally Posted by georgi_prodanov:
“today picked up for first time 4G800 with my Iphone SE and on the left top of screen was showing 120dbm. Does that mean it was on full power? It was changing every time I check-115dbm, 125dbm,120dbm”
“today picked up for first time 4G800 with my Iphone SE and on the left top of screen was showing 120dbm. Does that mean it was on full power? It was changing every time I check-115dbm, 125dbm,120dbm”
That's a very weak signal. Won't know if it's on full power or not unless we know distance from mast.
Originally Posted by packages:
“That's a very weak signal. Won't know if it's on full power or not unless we know distance from mast.”
“That's a very weak signal. Won't know if it's on full power or not unless we know distance from mast.”
I have no idea which mast it might be. If it is the same mast from which VO2 send their 4G800 it is very low power as I pick up with Voda from the mast 4G800 3 bars and EE 4G800 is only 1/2 bars and it comes and goes all the time. It is not constant like Vodafone 4G800
Originally Posted by Lincs_Imp:
“Well, I have a Nexus 6p and as it's not compatible with 4G calling, it doesn't concern me.”
“Well, I have a Nexus 6p and as it's not compatible with 4G calling, it doesn't concern me.”
It should be in the future.
Originally Posted by georgi_prodanov:
“today picked up for first time 4G800 with my Iphone SE and on the left top of screen was showing 120dbm. Does that mean it was on full power? It was changing every time I check-115dbm, 125dbm,120dbm”
“today picked up for first time 4G800 with my Iphone SE and on the left top of screen was showing 120dbm. Does that mean it was on full power? It was changing every time I check-115dbm, 125dbm,120dbm”
well what did you expect? It's designed to be used where 1800 isn't reaching. The difference between 800 and 1800 isn't so great that you'll get some amazing signal where you don't get 1800. Being made out on here like it's some kind of miracle sent by God. It's a layer of last resort effectively. Voice & slow data only.
But is it on full power, there's probably some more to come out of it but still got to co-ordinate cell interference + remember the constraints of the UL.
Originally Posted by lightspeed2398:
“well what did you expect? It's designed to be used where 1800 isn't reaching. The difference between 800 and 1800 isn't so great that you'll get some amazing signal where you don't get 1800.”
“well what did you expect? It's designed to be used where 1800 isn't reaching. The difference between 800 and 1800 isn't so great that you'll get some amazing signal where you don't get 1800.”
Have a look at the table on page 7 by ZTE: http://www.gsma.com/spectrum/wp-cont...-June-2013.pdf
Considering that 1800 is being broadcast at lower power to fit within the 2100 footprint, I would say 4G1800 is equivalent to 4G2300 on full power.
ZTE estimates pretty much double the range for 800 to 2300! For example 0.63km in a dense urban environment for 4G800, but only 0.30km for 4G2300. Rurally 4G800 can travel 7.65km, versus 3.44km for 4G2300.
So once 4G800 is on full power we should see pretty significant improvements.
Originally Posted by jo_m1:
“Have a look at the table on page 7 by ZTE: http://www.gsma.com/spectrum/wp-cont...-June-2013.pdf
Considering that 1800 is being broadcast at lower power to fit within the 2100 footprint, I would say 4G1800 is equivalent to 4G2300 on full power.
ZTE estimates pretty much double the range for 800 to 2300! For example 0.63km in a dense urban environment for 4G800, but only 0.30km for 4G2300. Rurally 4G800 can travel 7.65km, versus 3.44km for 4G2300.
So once 4G800 is on full power we should see pretty significant improvements.”
“Have a look at the table on page 7 by ZTE: http://www.gsma.com/spectrum/wp-cont...-June-2013.pdf
Considering that 1800 is being broadcast at lower power to fit within the 2100 footprint, I would say 4G1800 is equivalent to 4G2300 on full power.
ZTE estimates pretty much double the range for 800 to 2300! For example 0.63km in a dense urban environment for 4G800, but only 0.30km for 4G2300. Rurally 4G800 can travel 7.65km, versus 3.44km for 4G2300.
So once 4G800 is on full power we should see pretty significant improvements.”
So really parts of my house drop down to H+, if 4G 1800 was on Full power that wouldn't happen right?
Originally Posted by lightspeed2398:
“well what did you expect? It's designed to be used where 1800 isn't reaching. The difference between 800 and 1800 isn't so great that you'll get some amazing signal where you don't get 1800. Being made out on here like it's some kind of miracle sent by God. It's a layer of last resort effectively. Voice & slow data only.
But is it on full power, there's probably some more to come out of it but still got to co-ordinate cell interference + remember the constraints of the UL.”
“well what did you expect? It's designed to be used where 1800 isn't reaching. The difference between 800 and 1800 isn't so great that you'll get some amazing signal where you don't get 1800. Being made out on here like it's some kind of miracle sent by God. It's a layer of last resort effectively. Voice & slow data only.
But is it on full power, there's probably some more to come out of it but still got to co-ordinate cell interference + remember the constraints of the UL.”
The difference between 1800mhz and 800mhz is significant. Around 30% bigger footprint in rural areas and 200% in urban areas (and that's with both on full power)
I think we should be patient and wait until 1st December before we judge 800. Even if it's not great at launch, just bear in mind that EE have the ESN agreement - and they need good coverage, so we should get better coverage as the years go by 
Originally Posted by jo_m1:
“Have a look at the table on page 7 by ZTE: http://www.gsma.com/spectrum/wp-cont...-June-2013.pdf
Considering that 1800 is being broadcast at lower power to fit within the 2100 footprint, I would say 4G1800 is equivalent to 4G2300 on full power.
ZTE estimates pretty much double the range for 800 to 2300! For example 0.63km in a dense urban environment for 4G800, but only 0.30km for 4G2300. Rurally 4G800 can travel 7.65km, versus 3.44km for 4G2300.
So once 4G800 is on full power we should see pretty significant improvements.”
“Have a look at the table on page 7 by ZTE: http://www.gsma.com/spectrum/wp-cont...-June-2013.pdf
Considering that 1800 is being broadcast at lower power to fit within the 2100 footprint, I would say 4G1800 is equivalent to 4G2300 on full power.
ZTE estimates pretty much double the range for 800 to 2300! For example 0.63km in a dense urban environment for 4G800, but only 0.30km for 4G2300. Rurally 4G800 can travel 7.65km, versus 3.44km for 4G2300.
So once 4G800 is on full power we should see pretty significant improvements.”
ZTE's estimates are hard to go off, as although I'm sure they're technically valid, it doesn't go into the data they used to create them and is just a part of their flogging arsenal.
Yes that is important as it is to remember it's a logarithmic scale but if you're talking about raw RSRP I would anticipate about a 10-13dBm difference between L800 and L1800 (outside) . Enough to get indoors some more especially as the BPL should be lower but not going to give you -80 where you get no L1800.
Originally Posted by packages:
“The difference between 1800mhz and 800mhz is significant. Around 30% bigger footprint in rural areas and 200% in urban areas (and that's with both on full power)”
“The difference between 1800mhz and 800mhz is significant. Around 30% bigger footprint in rural areas and 200% in urban areas (and that's with both on full power)”
I am aware of the oft cited figures. Considering RSRP is a logarithmic scale a 30% and 200% improvement is therefore at most about 10-20dBm higher than the L1800 you're not going to be getting scheduled 64QAM and TM2 is probably going to be used most of the time. So as I say not perfect signal.
It's a GHz lower and on a slightly higher power, it's not God....
Originally Posted by hammy_y:
“ Even if it's (800 MHz) not great at launch.....”
“ Even if it's (800 MHz) not great at launch.....”
At launch, it certainly isn't going to be night and day (in most places), as it's only one piece of the puzzle, and it's not yet complete. There will be some improvement in some areas. I think we will see steady improvement over the next few years, both in coverage and performance.
Overall, EE already have good coverage in many areas, but improvement in areas where they don't requires a combination of:
1. Entirely new masts are required at some locations
2. Not all sites are broadcasting 4G. When they are, this will improve performance.
3. 800 MHz will eventually be broadcast from far more sites than at the initial launch, but not all - it's not EE's base layer.
4. Certain large buildings/stations/shopping centres need indoor solutions / small cells.
Originally Posted by lightspeed2398:
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It's a GHz lower and on a slightly higher power, it's not God....”
“
It's a GHz lower and on a slightly higher power, it's not God....”
You called?
Originally Posted by bookey_uk:
“You called?”
“You called?
”
The problem with EE's 800 MHz 4G is that they still haven't worked out how to break the laws of physics
Originally Posted by Ed3925:
“The problem with EE's 800 MHz 4G is that they still haven't worked out how to break the laws of physics”
“The problem with EE's 800 MHz 4G is that they still haven't worked out how to break the laws of physics
”
Big issue that. They did try but I believe it created a blackhole which allowed BT to take them over.
Originally Posted by Ed3925:
“At launch, it certainly isn't going to be night and day (in most places), as it's only one piece of the puzzle, and it's not yet complete. There will be some improvement in some areas. I think we will see steady improvement over the next few years, both in coverage and performance.
Overall, EE already have good coverage in many areas, but improvement in areas where they don't requires a combination of:
1. Entirely new masts are required at some locations
2. Not all sites are broadcasting 4G. When they are, this will improve performance.
3. 800 MHz will eventually be broadcast from far more sites than at the initial launch, but not all - it's not EE's base layer.
4. Certain large buildings/stations/shopping centres need indoor solutions / small cells.”
“At launch, it certainly isn't going to be night and day (in most places), as it's only one piece of the puzzle, and it's not yet complete. There will be some improvement in some areas. I think we will see steady improvement over the next few years, both in coverage and performance.
Overall, EE already have good coverage in many areas, but improvement in areas where they don't requires a combination of:
1. Entirely new masts are required at some locations
2. Not all sites are broadcasting 4G. When they are, this will improve performance.
3. 800 MHz will eventually be broadcast from far more sites than at the initial launch, but not all - it's not EE's base layer.
4. Certain large buildings/stations/shopping centres need indoor solutions / small cells.”
Agreed; 800 won't be the only thing used to improve coverage, but for many places I believe it will help a lot where the other solutions aren't viable.
800 is just part of the jigsaw. With the recent work in Hatfield and Welwyn Garden City, I now seem to get 4G indoors at almost every place I go where it previously dropped to 3G, and yet it's still just 1800.
What I think has happened is more site have been 4GEE'd and as such the power has been tweaked. Maybe 800 has been added too, as there's quite a lot of countryside around, but it's clearly not essential everywhere for a big improvement.
Not all 4G is double speed, but most, and a lot less is 4G+, but it's now pretty hard to get below 20-25Mbps and quite easy to get 50-60, with the 4G+ stuff being around 140-150.
800 is, as said, the frequency of last resort. Definitely need it, but the continued roll out of 1800 and even 2600 is just as vital.
What I think has happened is more site have been 4GEE'd and as such the power has been tweaked. Maybe 800 has been added too, as there's quite a lot of countryside around, but it's clearly not essential everywhere for a big improvement.
Not all 4G is double speed, but most, and a lot less is 4G+, but it's now pretty hard to get below 20-25Mbps and quite easy to get 50-60, with the 4G+ stuff being around 140-150.
800 is, as said, the frequency of last resort. Definitely need it, but the continued roll out of 1800 and even 2600 is just as vital.
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Not all 4G is double speed, but most, and a lot less is 4G+, but it's now pretty hard to get below 20-25Mbps and quite easy to get 50-60, with the 4G+ stuff being around 140-150.”
“Not all 4G is double speed, but most, and a lot less is 4G+, but it's now pretty hard to get below 20-25Mbps and quite easy to get 50-60, with the 4G+ stuff being around 140-150.”
For me my 4G+ is regularly under 2Mb lol, and usually under 10Mb
http://i.imgur.com/c7fwPKo.png
I do agree that generally their speeds are very good though; this area is a very high load location (Uni site), though I still wish they'd fix it.
I'm in a university town and much of the campus can get 100+ on EE, and potentially up to 60 on Three and 30 on Vodafone, although I would expect they get faster fixed broadband in the halls.
If 4G+ is performing like they, EE must be aware and planning to do something surely?
If 4G+ is performing like they, EE must be aware and planning to do something surely?
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Official release:
Customers will need a 4G Calling-capable phone to use the new low frequency signal. 4G Calling is available on monthly SIM and handset plans, on the majority of EE’s device range. EE is committing today to launch its first 4G Calling smartphone under £100 in 2017 to provide an affordable choice for customers who simply want outstanding call quality and reliability, but may not need all of the features of the latest 4G smartphones.”
“Official release:
Customers will need a 4G Calling-capable phone to use the new low frequency signal. 4G Calling is available on monthly SIM and handset plans, on the majority of EE’s device range. EE is committing today to launch its first 4G Calling smartphone under £100 in 2017 to provide an affordable choice for customers who simply want outstanding call quality and reliability, but may not need all of the features of the latest 4G smartphones.”
Does this mean that with my payg sim in a Moto phone that doesn't support 4G calling that if there was EE 800mhz in my area I'd not be able to use it at all (including data) and my phone would not use that band?
I ask cos I've been trying EE on a PAYG sim to see if it's worth switching to them from Vodafone when my sim only contract runs out. Was I also right in thinking that you can't use EE 4G calling on payg anyway? I'm finding that currently in my locale of rural N Yorkshire it seems it's best to stick with Vodafone
Originally Posted by Jon_111:
“Does this mean that with my payg sim in a Moto phone that doesn't support 4G calling that if there was EE 800mhz in my area I'd not be able to use it at all (including data) and my phone would not use that band?
I ask cos I've been trying EE on a PAYG sim to see if it's worth switching to them from Vodafone when my sim only contract runs out. Was I also right in thinking that you can't use EE 4G calling on payg anyway? I'm finding that currently in my locale of rural N Yorkshire it seems it's best to stick with Vodafone”
“Does this mean that with my payg sim in a Moto phone that doesn't support 4G calling that if there was EE 800mhz in my area I'd not be able to use it at all (including data) and my phone would not use that band?
I ask cos I've been trying EE on a PAYG sim to see if it's worth switching to them from Vodafone when my sim only contract runs out. Was I also right in thinking that you can't use EE 4G calling on payg anyway? I'm finding that currently in my locale of rural N Yorkshire it seems it's best to stick with Vodafone”
Hi,
You need to be on contract (including sim only), and have a phone capable of 4g calling.
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“800 is just part of the jigsaw. With the recent work in Hatfield and Welwyn Garden City, I now seem to get 4G indoors at almost every place I go where it previously dropped to 3G, and yet it's still just 1800.
What I think has happened is more site have been 4GEE'd and as such the power has been tweaked. Maybe 800 has been added too, as there's quite a lot of countryside around, but it's clearly not essential everywhere for a big improvement.
Not all 4G is double speed, but most, and a lot less is 4G+, but it's now pretty hard to get below 20-25Mbps and quite easy to get 50-60, with the 4G+ stuff being around 140-150.
800 is, as said, the frequency of last resort. Definitely need it, but the continued roll out of 1800 and even 2600 is just as vital.”
“800 is just part of the jigsaw. With the recent work in Hatfield and Welwyn Garden City, I now seem to get 4G indoors at almost every place I go where it previously dropped to 3G, and yet it's still just 1800.
What I think has happened is more site have been 4GEE'd and as such the power has been tweaked. Maybe 800 has been added too, as there's quite a lot of countryside around, but it's clearly not essential everywhere for a big improvement.
Not all 4G is double speed, but most, and a lot less is 4G+, but it's now pretty hard to get below 20-25Mbps and quite easy to get 50-60, with the 4G+ stuff being around 140-150.
800 is, as said, the frequency of last resort. Definitely need it, but the continued roll out of 1800 and even 2600 is just as vital.”
Jon do you mean 800 will be last after 4G2600,4G1800,3G,2G and then 4G800. How is it configured? Is it like Three?
Originally Posted by georgi_prodanov:
“Jon do you mean 800 will be last after 4G2600,4G1800,3G,2G and then 4G800. How is it configured? Is it like Three?”
“Jon do you mean 800 will be last after 4G2600,4G1800,3G,2G and then 4G800. How is it configured? Is it like Three?”
It goes 4G1800/2600 > 4G800 > 3G > 2G.
Having it Three's way would be outright stupid as 800 is the (4G) layer of last resort with the intention of getting you back onto 1800 or 2600 as soon as possible, even mid data session and mid call.
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