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also how is 4G prioritised as EE dont mention anything like 4G2600,4G1800,4G800 and is 4G800 be on full power?
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today picked up for first time 4G800 with my Iphone SE and on the left top of screen was showing 120dbm. Does that mean it was on full power? It was changing every time I check-115dbm, 125dbm,120dbm
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That's a very weak signal. Won't know if it's on full power or not unless we know distance from mast.
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Well, I have a Nexus 6p and as it's not compatible with 4G calling, it doesn't concern me.
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Well, I have a Nexus 6p and as it's not compatible with 4G calling, it doesn't concern me.
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today picked up for first time 4G800 with my Iphone SE and on the left top of screen was showing 120dbm. Does that mean it was on full power? It was changing every time I check-115dbm, 125dbm,120dbm
But is it on full power, there's probably some more to come out of it but still got to co-ordinate cell interference + remember the constraints of the UL. |
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well what did you expect? It's designed to be used where 1800 isn't reaching. The difference between 800 and 1800 isn't so great that you'll get some amazing signal where you don't get 1800.
Considering that 1800 is being broadcast at lower power to fit within the 2100 footprint, I would say 4G1800 is equivalent to 4G2300 on full power. ZTE estimates pretty much double the range for 800 to 2300! For example 0.63km in a dense urban environment for 4G800, but only 0.30km for 4G2300. Rurally 4G800 can travel 7.65km, versus 3.44km for 4G2300. So once 4G800 is on full power we should see pretty significant improvements. |
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Have a look at the table on page 7 by ZTE: http://www.gsma.com/spectrum/wp-cont...-June-2013.pdf
Considering that 1800 is being broadcast at lower power to fit within the 2100 footprint, I would say 4G1800 is equivalent to 4G2300 on full power. ZTE estimates pretty much double the range for 800 to 2300! For example 0.63km in a dense urban environment for 4G800, but only 0.30km for 4G2300. Rurally 4G800 can travel 7.65km, versus 3.44km for 4G2300. So once 4G800 is on full power we should see pretty significant improvements. |
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well what did you expect? It's designed to be used where 1800 isn't reaching. The difference between 800 and 1800 isn't so great that you'll get some amazing signal where you don't get 1800. Being made out on here like it's some kind of miracle sent by God. It's a layer of last resort effectively. Voice & slow data only.
But is it on full power, there's probably some more to come out of it but still got to co-ordinate cell interference + remember the constraints of the UL. |
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I think we should be patient and wait until 1st December before we judge 800. Even if it's not great at launch, just bear in mind that EE have the ESN agreement - and they need good coverage, so we should get better coverage as the years go by
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Have a look at the table on page 7 by ZTE: http://www.gsma.com/spectrum/wp-cont...-June-2013.pdf
Considering that 1800 is being broadcast at lower power to fit within the 2100 footprint, I would say 4G1800 is equivalent to 4G2300 on full power. ZTE estimates pretty much double the range for 800 to 2300! For example 0.63km in a dense urban environment for 4G800, but only 0.30km for 4G2300. Rurally 4G800 can travel 7.65km, versus 3.44km for 4G2300. So once 4G800 is on full power we should see pretty significant improvements. Yes that is important as it is to remember it's a logarithmic scale but if you're talking about raw RSRP I would anticipate about a 10-13dBm difference between L800 and L1800 (outside) . Enough to get indoors some more especially as the BPL should be lower but not going to give you -80 where you get no L1800. |
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The difference between 1800mhz and 800mhz is significant. Around 30% bigger footprint in rural areas and 200% in urban areas (and that's with both on full power)
It's a GHz lower and on a slightly higher power, it's not God.... |
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Even if it's (800 MHz) not great at launch.....
Overall, EE already have good coverage in many areas, but improvement in areas where they don't requires a combination of: 1. Entirely new masts are required at some locations 2. Not all sites are broadcasting 4G. When they are, this will improve performance. 3. 800 MHz will eventually be broadcast from far more sites than at the initial launch, but not all - it's not EE's base layer. 4. Certain large buildings/stations/shopping centres need indoor solutions / small cells. |
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It's a GHz lower and on a slightly higher power, it's not God....
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You called?
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The problem with EE's 800 MHz 4G is that they still haven't worked out how to break the laws of physics
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At launch, it certainly isn't going to be night and day (in most places), as it's only one piece of the puzzle, and it's not yet complete. There will be some improvement in some areas. I think we will see steady improvement over the next few years, both in coverage and performance.
Overall, EE already have good coverage in many areas, but improvement in areas where they don't requires a combination of: 1. Entirely new masts are required at some locations 2. Not all sites are broadcasting 4G. When they are, this will improve performance. 3. 800 MHz will eventually be broadcast from far more sites than at the initial launch, but not all - it's not EE's base layer. 4. Certain large buildings/stations/shopping centres need indoor solutions / small cells. |
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800 is just part of the jigsaw. With the recent work in Hatfield and Welwyn Garden City, I now seem to get 4G indoors at almost every place I go where it previously dropped to 3G, and yet it's still just 1800.
What I think has happened is more site have been 4GEE'd and as such the power has been tweaked. Maybe 800 has been added too, as there's quite a lot of countryside around, but it's clearly not essential everywhere for a big improvement. Not all 4G is double speed, but most, and a lot less is 4G+, but it's now pretty hard to get below 20-25Mbps and quite easy to get 50-60, with the 4G+ stuff being around 140-150. 800 is, as said, the frequency of last resort. Definitely need it, but the continued roll out of 1800 and even 2600 is just as vital. |
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Not all 4G is double speed, but most, and a lot less is 4G+, but it's now pretty hard to get below 20-25Mbps and quite easy to get 50-60, with the 4G+ stuff being around 140-150.
http://i.imgur.com/c7fwPKo.png I do agree that generally their speeds are very good though; this area is a very high load location (Uni site), though I still wish they'd fix it. |
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I'm in a university town and much of the campus can get 100+ on EE, and potentially up to 60 on Three and 30 on Vodafone, although I would expect they get faster fixed broadband in the halls.
If 4G+ is performing like they, EE must be aware and planning to do something surely? |
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Official release:
Customers will need a 4G Calling-capable phone to use the new low frequency signal. 4G Calling is available on monthly SIM and handset plans, on the majority of EE’s device range. EE is committing today to launch its first 4G Calling smartphone under £100 in 2017 to provide an affordable choice for customers who simply want outstanding call quality and reliability, but may not need all of the features of the latest 4G smartphones. I ask cos I've been trying EE on a PAYG sim to see if it's worth switching to them from Vodafone when my sim only contract runs out. Was I also right in thinking that you can't use EE 4G calling on payg anyway? I'm finding that currently in my locale of rural N Yorkshire it seems it's best to stick with Vodafone |
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Does this mean that with my payg sim in a Moto phone that doesn't support 4G calling that if there was EE 800mhz in my area I'd not be able to use it at all (including data) and my phone would not use that band?
I ask cos I've been trying EE on a PAYG sim to see if it's worth switching to them from Vodafone when my sim only contract runs out. Was I also right in thinking that you can't use EE 4G calling on payg anyway? I'm finding that currently in my locale of rural N Yorkshire it seems it's best to stick with Vodafone You need to be on contract (including sim only), and have a phone capable of 4g calling. |
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800 is just part of the jigsaw. With the recent work in Hatfield and Welwyn Garden City, I now seem to get 4G indoors at almost every place I go where it previously dropped to 3G, and yet it's still just 1800.
What I think has happened is more site have been 4GEE'd and as such the power has been tweaked. Maybe 800 has been added too, as there's quite a lot of countryside around, but it's clearly not essential everywhere for a big improvement. Not all 4G is double speed, but most, and a lot less is 4G+, but it's now pretty hard to get below 20-25Mbps and quite easy to get 50-60, with the 4G+ stuff being around 140-150. 800 is, as said, the frequency of last resort. Definitely need it, but the continued roll out of 1800 and even 2600 is just as vital. |
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Jon do you mean 800 will be last after 4G2600,4G1800,3G,2G and then 4G800. How is it configured? Is it like Three?
Having it Three's way would be outright stupid as 800 is the (4G) layer of last resort with the intention of getting you back onto 1800 or 2600 as soon as possible, even mid data session and mid call. |
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