It really really doesn't. A better understanding of law, at least, might help you.

So basically your saying that if there were more/better enforcement you would be taking the bus!

I've noticed that more often than not it's muppets in mildly fast cars rather than actual fast car drivers that drive like idiots. BMW 118d, 120d, Audi 1.9tdi, 2.0tdi and similar VAG group cars for instance. Always driving as hard as they can to convince themselves their 7 to 8sec 0-62 cars are actually sporty.

Saying it doesn't, doesn't make you correct.

My knowledge of the law is decent.

Sorry, perhaps there`s a breakdown in communication here, maybe you didn`t read the link.
These are two separate pieces of research, the first simply proves that German cars on the motorway are driven faster than non German cars. Driving at 75mph (equals almost bang on genuine 70 on my wife`s speedo) approximately 50% more non German cars overtook us than we over took. For German cars it was 600%, that`s, not a misprint, it`s six hundred per cent.

50% v 600%.....

For this particular theory what more proof do you need ?


Theoretically yes, but we all know that aggressive drivers almost always speed, whereas non aggressive drivers don`t necessarily. And aggressive drivers are the ones you don`t want on the roads, surely you`d agree with that ?
Then there`s the law of Kinetic energy which I`m sure you`re familiar with, energy of a moving body goes up by the square of its speed. That`s quite relevant if you happen to get hit.....


I can honestly say almost every Audi R8 I`ve seen has been driven in an appalling manner. They`re not that common but just from memory I can remember three :
One going up Rutland Rd (a busy 30mph limit road in Sheffield) at about 60mph. His engine was revving so highly I actually thought it was a bike till he went past and I saw it was a car.
One in Keighley doing over 50mph at dusk around the centre of the town.
Another being driven past the Northern General Hospital (ironically...) in damp conditions at well over the 30mph speed limit (possibly 50 ?) engine being hammered.

So all Audi R8 drivers are cretins based on three examples! Your research isn't research at all.

Aggressive driving takes many forms, and claiming breaking the speed limit equates to bad driving is nonsense, unless other factors are at play.

Speeding takes many forms, and it is the manner of driving that makes driving poor, not purely the speed.

Doing 30mph in a bust town centre can be very dangerous, whilst doing 100mph on an empty motorway can be safe.

Many roads have had limits decreased. Does that mean everyone driving upto the previous limit was driving dangerously?

Obeying the limits is sensible, because it is an offence to go above them, but to claim any breach of the speed limit shows a lack of understanding about driving.

I was trained to drive at high speeds, and was allowed to break the limits. Does that mean I was driving dangerously when I did so?

In the same time period I`ve probably only seen about 5 or 6 Audi R8s, call it 6, that`s 50% being driven by morons, quite high enough to be drawing conclusions I feel. It`s certainly far higher than any other car I`ve ever known.
You`re exaggerating my view on speeding. A car doing up to 90mph on the motorway wouldn`t upset me, though he should still be prosecuted in my view. That`s a possible closing speed on other vehicle of up to 40mph.

That is complete nonsense. If I drive at 80mph on an empty motorway, I'm aware I am exceeding the speed limit, but if I'm driving properly, I'm not driving carelessly, or dangerously.

I've seen many examples of awful driving at low speeds, as well as high, and trying to simplify this into an above the limit is bad driving argument shows a lack of understanding.

Your extremely limited "research" is not research at all. and is meaningless. Do you notice every single vehicle you see on the roads by make and model. Tell us your research into which vehicles were driving safely during this time period.

At what speeds were all these German cars going that did overtake you, and therefore were driving badly then? We need detailed figures.

Saying 90mph is okay is another daft statement, because there are many factors go into what is a safe speed for that particular time, and those circumstances can change very quickly.

Why do you keep talking about low speeds? What relevance does that have to breaking the speed limit and whether that makes someone a bad driver?

Well done for having been trained to drive at high speed; that does not change the fact that exceeding the speed limit where there is no reason other than your selfish desire to go faster, makes you a bad driver.

You just said you did 80mph on an empty motorway, you had no reason to do that other than you felt as if you didnt need to obide by the laws of the road.

People like that are called bad drivers. Rules do not apply you, I get it. Congratulations.

I take it you've never exceeded a speed limit.

When I was driving at speeds in excess of the limit at work, was that bad driving?

Driving at too low a speed, and holding traffic up can be classed as driving without reasonable consideration for other road users, which is an offence, and is relevant if we are discussing speed alone as a definition for poor driving.

Why have you ignored my post and decided to ask a completely different question?

Is it because my description was a little too accurate?

Hmmm.

No, it's because you cant comprehend the difference between speed, and bad driving.

Any decent driver can exceed the speed limit, when safe to, without it being dangerous. I know the difference between exceeding the speed limit, and dangerous driving.

Have you ever exceeded the limit? Do you even drive?

Seemingly not or your understanding of what bad driving means.
Pedantically picking over a rule book can't prove any meaningless claim.

If you did 40mph in a 30mph zone in your driving test, you would fail.

But that doesnt make you a bad driver.

Classic.

Your opinion, subjective.

My opinion, objective.

Not much else to say, have a good day.

Could you direct me to the statute or common law defining bad driving.

Oh dear.

If you cant see beyond that, and assess bad driving on a speed sign, you dont understand driving.

Have you ever exceeded the limit?

I regularly exceeded the limit at work. Was that bad driving?

Could you direct me to the statute or common law which defines someone speeding as a bad driver.

Oh dear.

Eh?

You said my knowledge of the law would help me understand what a bad driver was. I didn't say the converse, so how does your post make any sense or have any relevance to our discussion?

Oh dear.

You seem intent on winding up and arguing, rather than discussing the topic logically, or answering points raised.

Because you were legally allowed to do it and trained, does it mean it was impossible for you to drive dangerously?

Apart from that, I said exceeding the limit is potentially more dangerous than a car doing 20 under the limit. Driving over the limit or way under doesn't make you instantly a bad driver, just those who do it (or defend it) can't claim they are a good driver either.

Not at all.

You have shown yourself incapable or unwilling to answer questions, simply in an attempt to further your own viewpoint.

If you think someone who breaks the speed limit for no reason other than because they wanted to at the time is not a bad driver, there is nothing to discuss, as I said earlier.

Those who don't think the rules of the road apply to them, are bad drivers.

I consider myself a good driver, due to training and experience.

I could drive quite safely well over the limit, as can many others. It wasn't an offence for me at work, but any other driving offences did apply, so driving carelessly or dangerously wasn't allowed, and if the training was applied, it wasn't dangerous.

Speed, unless other factors are involved does not make driving bad on it's own.

I could drive along at slow speeds on main roads, and often did on general patrol, but was aware of affecting other traffic, and drove accordingly if that happened.

Driving 20mph under the limit can be extremely dangerous if circumstance allow it to be. That's why making rash comments purely on speed make no sense, because everything else has to be considered.

If I do 80mph on an empty motorway, how is that bad driving? It is exceeding the speed limit, nothing more.

When I was allowed to break speed limits at work, if I was doing 80mph in the same circumstances, would it be bad driving?

Have you ever broken the speed limit? You refuse to actually answer or discuss the subject.