As I thought and hence my suggestion you learn more about law. You don't understand the legal definitions for a "bad driver", a term you've made up yourself.
Harvey's rules of the road don't count.
Again, please back up your claim, not mine. Could you direct me to the statute or common law which defines speeding drivers as a bad drivers. Chuck this claim in too.

I think the words used as regards the Advanced Driver Training is or was inappropriate speed is bad driving

That's exactly it.

You cant class a particular speed as bad driving (whatever that means) without looking at the circumstances around it. That applies to above or below the limit.

What?

What law are you talking about?

What is the legal definition for a bad driver? It was the first question I asked you, which you conveniently ignored.

There isn't one, so why are you applying that title to anyone who exceeds the speed limit?

There isn't one, finally got there.

So why did that poster tell me I needed a better understanding of the law?

Because you keep accusing people of being a bad driver, as though there is a law covering that.

Well that doesn't make sense either.

Whether that incorrect inference were being made, it still doesn't answer why that poster suggest I need to know more about the law. Surely, the obvious implication is that if someone tells you that you need to know more about the law, they in fact know more about that than you.

Do you not agree?

No it does not

Good talk.

Try looking up inappropriate speed, that is bad driving, exceeding the speed limit does not necessarily mean you are a 'bad driver'

Indeed having driven with a Class 1 police driver, and they can speed, but under no circumstances was it bad driving.

Thanks for the info.

Not sure any of it was applicable to anything I said, but cheers pal. Have a good evening.

Nope you didn't.
Just something else you're making up.

I do remember years ago watching the training of police drivers for high speed events and they literally have to be able to go at 100mph down a country road and tell you how many cows there were in the field and what number were standing/sitting etc in real time.

And you

Post 117 I asked you to direct me to the statute or common law defining a bad driver.

Merry Christmas.

During training for the advanced driving test the observer (not allowed to call themselves instructors, not trained driving instructors), would say 'What was the last road sign we passed on the left', ' What was the price of petrol at the garage we just passed'

Observation is the hardest part of driving

Quite. When I did the training for my IAM advanced test it was common practice at the group I was in for observers to ask the trainee to do a short commentary describing what they saw etc. Then the observer would go back over the same route and do a commentary to show you just how much you'd missed!

Fair enough about the first one, but not the second – that had nothing to do with driving safely and taking the time to note that could almost amount to driving with undue care and attention.

It probably wasn't quite that exact, but as mentioned elsewhere, a commentary was part of the training, to show what you see, and all the potential dangers too. it explains that you are seeing what is around, and that you are aware of what could happen.

Doing it at high speed focuses the mind.

To be honest, you've added nothing here, which backs up my earlier comment about wind up.

Explain why someone exceeding a speed limit is a bad driver, and we can move on.

I do apologise, yes it was your first question. You've got something right, even though the question was irrelevant. .

Are you going somewhere or is a Merry Christmas wish something else you don't understand?

Training and experience is great, but most people behind the wheel believe they have that as well. Obviously not as intense as the observational skills mentioned earlier, but enough to criticise others and make basic mistakes themselves. I certainly wouldn't class someone a good driver if they habitually drove over the limit, or drove at inappropriate speeds (slow or fast)...to name just two speed related issues. I believe most people do so because they're not paying attention, hardly good driving practices and nothing to boast about. Doing it on purpose habitually won't win any best driver awards either.

Reliant Robin (or Robin Reliant if you want to piss off the enthusiasts), they are rubbish on corners and keep rolling over

It's a theoretical possibility, but I minimise the risk by only speeding when I think it is safe, and I don't think there is a risk of cameras or Traffic Patrols.

So far, in my long driving career, I have only ever received 3 points. Long since expunged.

Things change and Mobile Cameras and Radar Guns could trip me up (I once was flashed by a Mobile, but never got a ticket. I was doing 40mph in a 30mph)

One of the road conditions I assess is "What are others doing?"

If lots of the 'local' and regular users are doing 40mph and 100mph, it's probably safe to slot in behind them and do the same (2 second gap, in dry conditions of course)


My Instructor's last words to me, on passing my test
"Remember Robin, Speed doesn't kill, it's the sudden stop at the end"

It was a joke, and not strictly true, but a subtle acknowledgement that people do speed and, if they do, should do so carefully and responsibly

As DP and others have been alluding to.