If Ed makes a few bad mistakes on Saturday will it matter or will f/m's that vote for him still vote for him.
Does It Matter How Many Mistakes Ed Makes
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Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“If Ed makes a few bad mistakes on Saturday will it matter or will f/m's that vote for him still vote for him.”
“If Ed makes a few bad mistakes on Saturday will it matter or will f/m's that vote for him still vote for him.”
It depends on how entertained I am by his dance. I have watched dances by 'better' dances with no mistakes that have nevertheless bored me to tears. I found Laura and Anastacia excessively boring. I really liked Tameka. As a non dancer I look for entertainment rather than clinical accuracy.
No. I'll vote for him regardless 
. Besides the fact that he's my 2nd favorite, I've decided that it's not his time to go yet but mostly also because I wouldn't mind one of the " good dancer " in the dance off (except Danny ). Just sick and tired of his detractors complaining that he should have left a long time ago and asking why some of us are voting for him. People love to talk about the Cliftons getting so much vitriol but some of the comments towards Ed these past few weeks have been horrible.
. Besides the fact that he's my 2nd favorite, I've decided that it's not his time to go yet but mostly also because I wouldn't mind one of the " good dancer " in the dance off (except Danny ). Just sick and tired of his detractors complaining that he should have left a long time ago and asking why some of us are voting for him. People love to talk about the Cliftons getting so much vitriol but some of the comments towards Ed these past few weeks have been horrible.
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“If Ed makes a few bad mistakes on Saturday will it matter or will f/m's that vote for him still vote for him.”
“If Ed makes a few bad mistakes on Saturday will it matter or will f/m's that vote for him still vote for him.”
I think we're waaaaay past the point people were bothered about Ed's mistakes. It's week 9, if his mistakes are not bothering people who vote for him at this point, they will hardly bother them from now on.
The BBC have been quite predictable giving Ed a jive. There will still be plenty of opportunity to laugh at his efforts, as given his size, he will look amusing attempting this.
So he may stay in.
However, if he gets "serious ballroom" next week, he'll be on his way.
So he may stay in.
However, if he gets "serious ballroom" next week, he'll be on his way.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“The BBC have been quite predictable giving Ed a jive. There will still be plenty of opportunity to laugh at his efforts, as given his size, he will look amusing attempting this.
So he may stay in.
However, if he gets "serious ballroom" next week, he'll be on his way.”
“The BBC have been quite predictable giving Ed a jive. There will still be plenty of opportunity to laugh at his efforts, as given his size, he will look amusing attempting this.
So he may stay in.
However, if he gets "serious ballroom" next week, he'll be on his way.”
Again you say The BBC have been quite predictable.
It's not the BBC, or Tony Hall, not from Charlotte Moore, it's agreed between the Edior, the choreography lead Jason Gillcrest, what the band can perform, and the professional dancer.
Not the BBC as a whole.
Dancing isn't about avoiding mistakes. A routine with quite a few mistakes can still be better than one without any mistakes in many cases.
I understand what the OP is getting at but I do think there is too much counting up of mistakes. I think maybe the question that should be asked is 'Does it matter whether Ed's jive is technically a lot inferior to ones we have previously seen on Strictky?' My answer would be 'Yes it does, although the extent to which it matters will depend on other factors such as the performance and whether I feel he is making the effort and improving.'
I understand what the OP is getting at but I do think there is too much counting up of mistakes. I think maybe the question that should be asked is 'Does it matter whether Ed's jive is technically a lot inferior to ones we have previously seen on Strictky?' My answer would be 'Yes it does, although the extent to which it matters will depend on other factors such as the performance and whether I feel he is making the effort and improving.'
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Again you say The BBC have been quite predictable.
It's not the BBC, or Tony Hall, not from Charlotte Moore, it's agreed between the Edior, the choreography lead Jason Gillcrest, what the band can perform, and the professional dancer.
Not the BBC as a whole.”
“Again you say The BBC have been quite predictable.
It's not the BBC, or Tony Hall, not from Charlotte Moore, it's agreed between the Edior, the choreography lead Jason Gillcrest, what the band can perform, and the professional dancer.
Not the BBC as a whole.
”
Did I say BBC "as a whole?"
Why are bangin' on (again) about Tony Hall?
I've told you before who makes the final decisions, it's Louise Rainbow the executive producer. Forgotten already?
I accept "she has a lot of helpers," but she's the one who carries the can.
For your information "BBC" was easier for me to type than Louise Rainbow Executive Producer (again). So stop trying to split hairs (again).
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“If Ed makes a few bad mistakes on Saturday will it matter or will f/m's that vote for him still vote for him.”
“If Ed makes a few bad mistakes on Saturday will it matter or will f/m's that vote for him still vote for him.”
Does it matter to Mactown, if this subject was a cow he would get done for to much milking of the same cow
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“Dancing isn't about avoiding mistakes. A routine with quite a few mistakes can still be better than one without any mistakes in many cases.
I understand what the OP is getting at but I do think there is too much counting up of mistakes. I think maybe the question that should be asked is 'Does it matter whether Ed's jive is technically a lot inferior to ones we have previously seen on Strictky?' My answer would be 'Yes it does, although the extent to which it matters will depend on other factors such as the performance and whether I feel he is making the effort and improving.'”
“Dancing isn't about avoiding mistakes. A routine with quite a few mistakes can still be better than one without any mistakes in many cases.
I understand what the OP is getting at but I do think there is too much counting up of mistakes. I think maybe the question that should be asked is 'Does it matter whether Ed's jive is technically a lot inferior to ones we have previously seen on Strictky?' My answer would be 'Yes it does, although the extent to which it matters will depend on other factors such as the performance and whether I feel he is making the effort and improving.'”
I think you've explained that really well
Originally Posted by collaw:
“Does it matter to Mactown, if this subject was a cow he would get done for to much milking of the same cow”
“Does it matter to Mactown, if this subject was a cow he would get done for to much milking of the same cow”
I asked what I believe to be a good question. please show respect it cost nothing.
Originally Posted by collaw:
“Does it matter to Mactown, if this subject was a cow he would get done for to much milking of the same cow”
“Does it matter to Mactown, if this subject was a cow he would get done for to much milking of the same cow”
he was inviting a cold response, but this was frisian (ツ)
Could say the same of any of the celebs. Danny stayed in when he messed up his foxtrot. Ore stayed in when he made mistakes in his charleston. I voted last year even more when Jay went wrong in his quickstep. I think Ann_Dancer's response is spot on.
I think people should vote for who they want to see dance next week. If you really like them as a person but hide behind a cushion when they dance, I'd say not to vote for them once you've given them a week or two to try. But if you love to watch them dance, because they are skilful or musical or touching or sexy or inspiring or beautiful or funny, then great, all reasons are valid. That's the whole point of the show.
It's only fair to put learners against experienced dancers if technical perfection is not the only thing being valued.
I think people should vote for who they want to see dance next week. If you really like them as a person but hide behind a cushion when they dance, I'd say not to vote for them once you've given them a week or two to try. But if you love to watch them dance, because they are skilful or musical or touching or sexy or inspiring or beautiful or funny, then great, all reasons are valid. That's the whole point of the show.
It's only fair to put learners against experienced dancers if technical perfection is not the only thing being valued.
We saw with Anastasia's jive that if you don't do enough with the kicks it can look bad, even to people who don't know about technique. That's a bigger problem for Ed than mistakes as the public prefer to rescue celebs who make mistakes rather than celebs who are just poor.
The last mistake he made was hilarious so it depends.
His salsa technique last week was atrocious but so bad I found it funny - and I'm a salsa purist.
His salsa technique last week was atrocious but so bad I found it funny - and I'm a salsa purist.
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“Dancing isn't about avoiding mistakes. A routine with quite a few mistakes can still be better than one without any mistakes in many cases.
I understand what the OP is getting at but I do think there is too much counting up of mistakes. I think maybe the question that should be asked is 'Does it matter whether Ed's jive is technically a lot inferior to ones we have previously seen on Strictky?' My answer would be 'Yes it does, although the extent to which it matters will depend on other factors such as the performance and whether I feel he is making the effort and improving.'”
“Dancing isn't about avoiding mistakes. A routine with quite a few mistakes can still be better than one without any mistakes in many cases.
I understand what the OP is getting at but I do think there is too much counting up of mistakes. I think maybe the question that should be asked is 'Does it matter whether Ed's jive is technically a lot inferior to ones we have previously seen on Strictky?' My answer would be 'Yes it does, although the extent to which it matters will depend on other factors such as the performance and whether I feel he is making the effort and improving.'”
That is a great post, several of the acts stripped down the pace of the dance to the lowest possible, to make clear mistakes unlikely. Horwood & Co were strong on criticism but then overmarked. Ed and his partner always go for it so that should be taken into account over more conservative efforts.
Considering the fairly simple routines Ed has to do he should make very few mistakes. The Judges marks usually have him last but "we" vote for him confirming that this is not strictly a dance show. He will almost certainly make the final. Incidentally I do wish Zoe would stop saying "We all love ED".
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“Dancing isn't about avoiding mistakes. A routine with quite a few mistakes can still be better than one without any mistakes in many cases.
I understand what the OP is getting at but I do think there is too much counting up of mistakes. I think maybe the question that should be asked is 'Does it matter whether Ed's jive is technically a lot inferior to ones we have previously seen on Strictky?' My answer would be 'Yes it does, although the extent to which it matters will depend on other factors such as the performance and whether I feel he is making the effort and improving.'”
“Dancing isn't about avoiding mistakes. A routine with quite a few mistakes can still be better than one without any mistakes in many cases.
I understand what the OP is getting at but I do think there is too much counting up of mistakes. I think maybe the question that should be asked is 'Does it matter whether Ed's jive is technically a lot inferior to ones we have previously seen on Strictky?' My answer would be 'Yes it does, although the extent to which it matters will depend on other factors such as the performance and whether I feel he is making the effort and improving.'”
Ann, I completely agree with your first para, and Bruno in particular seems to mark like this (probably Darcey too). If there's something in a routine that has impact then the mistakes can't dislodge the effect over him. Simply avoiding mistakes is not in itself going to be moving or impactful in the same way. (Craig seems more a 'spot the mistake' kind of judge.)
People often complain about Bruno's generous marking (and Darcey's) but it seems to me they're looking for that intangible 'high'.
Apart from that lift, I don't remember Ed making that many actual mistakes as in getting the routine wrong or going blank.
What I get from him is dance-based entertainment.
And I reckon that dance-based entertainment is the name of the game. I would rather watch Ed over and again rather than the technically flawless but joyless Danny, for example.
What I get from him is dance-based entertainment.
And I reckon that dance-based entertainment is the name of the game. I would rather watch Ed over and again rather than the technically flawless but joyless Danny, for example.
Originally Posted by alan29:
“Apart from that lift, I don't remember Ed making that many actual mistakes as in getting the routine wrong or going blank.
What I get from him is dance-based entertainment.
And I reckon that dance-based entertainment is the name of the game. I would rather watch Ed over and again rather than the technically flawless but joyless Danny, for example.”
“Apart from that lift, I don't remember Ed making that many actual mistakes as in getting the routine wrong or going blank.
What I get from him is dance-based entertainment.
And I reckon that dance-based entertainment is the name of the game. I would rather watch Ed over and again rather than the technically flawless but joyless Danny, for example.”
I agree with all of that.
Ed got his paso wrong with hilarious consequences. I agree with you, I'd rather watch Ed than Danny and will continue to vote Ed no matter what.
if people find it entertaining they will vote again and he will probibily avoid the DO if not though then he's in trouble
series after series the forum fights the clown fight
Each series the beeb load up the contestants with a public figure of a certain shape but who does not mind (or even enjoys) looking gawkey foolish and a jolly sport
Ed as did other clowns tries hard and produces much to smile at
does it really matter ? Ed gets his publicity (media and these forums), the beeb get the required viewing figures and the dance performance is not the issue voters get their fun loving clown
wanna bet it will happen in every future series
Each series the beeb load up the contestants with a public figure of a certain shape but who does not mind (or even enjoys) looking gawkey foolish and a jolly sport
Ed as did other clowns tries hard and produces much to smile at
does it really matter ? Ed gets his publicity (media and these forums), the beeb get the required viewing figures and the dance performance is not the issue voters get their fun loving clown
wanna bet it will happen in every future series
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“Ann, I completely agree with your first para, and Bruno in particular seems to mark like this (probably Darcey too). If there's something in a routine that has impact then the mistakes can't dislodge the effect over him. Simply avoiding mistakes is not in itself going to be moving or impactful in the same way. (Craig seems more a 'spot the mistake' kind of judge.)
People often complain about Bruno's generous marking (and Darcey's) but it seems to me they're looking for that intangible 'high'.”
“Ann, I completely agree with your first para, and Bruno in particular seems to mark like this (probably Darcey too). If there's something in a routine that has impact then the mistakes can't dislodge the effect over him. Simply avoiding mistakes is not in itself going to be moving or impactful in the same way. (Craig seems more a 'spot the mistake' kind of judge.)
People often complain about Bruno's generous marking (and Darcey's) but it seems to me they're looking for that intangible 'high'.”
A simple routine danced really well, with in depth knowledge of technique, can be stunning, but much of Strictly is a compromise between difficulty, technique and performance. Also, what is a mistake? In Strictly it tends to be defined as going wrong in the choreography. There are in fact lots of unnoticed mistakes such as incorrect footwork, wrong body turn, incorrect foot alignments etc.
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