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Does It Matter How Many Mistakes Ed Makes
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MaggieMcGee
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“A simple routine danced really well, with in depth knowledge of technique, can be stunning, but much of Strictly is a compromise between difficulty, technique and performance. Also, what is a mistake? In Strictly it tends to be defined as going wrong in the choreography. There are in fact lots of unnoticed mistakes such as incorrect footwork, wrong body turn, incorrect foot alignments etc.”

Good point. I suspect Len is best placed to notice these but were he to point them out he would be booed to hell and back!
Heatherbell
19-11-2016
No it doesn't matter how many mistakes Ed makes as far as I'm concerned .Any more than it matters how many repetitive negative threads about him pop up by the same few people . I'll still be voting for him .
He is entertaining me , and that's what I want on a Saturday evening . He is also improving hugely and very dedicated and deserves his place .
nyannie
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“Good point. I suspect Len is best placed to notice these but were he to point them out he would be booed to hell and back!”

I'm beginning to think that the mistakes should be pointed out. Yes, Ed is progressing, but not at the rate of someone like Rob Rinder. While Strictly is considered light entertainment, it is based on dance and I would hate to see a better dancer leave because Ed isn't in the dance off.

I get the impression - and I may be wrong - that the BBC is pushing for Ed to win and I don't think it is fair. Friday panels, judges, guests on ITT all are promoting Ed. I would love Danny, Claudia, Louise or the Judge to win - much better dancers and they are all working as hard as Ed.
MaggieMcGee
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by nyannie:
“I'm beginning to think that the mistakes should be pointed out. Yes, Ed is progressing, but not at the rate of someone like Rob Rinder. While Strictly is considered light entertainment, it is based on dance and I would hate to see a better dancer leave because Ed isn't in the dance off.

I get the impression - and I may be wrong - that the BBC is pushing for Ed to win and I don't think it is fair. Friday panels, judges, guests on ITT all are promoting Ed. I would love Danny, Claudia, Louise or the Judge to win - much better dancers and they are all working as hard as Ed.”

I can see that were they to allow Len, or one of the others, to list what's wrong then judges' comments would take a longer slice of time. Also, would viewers want to hear a litany of mistakes attributed to their favourite dancer who may have danced their socks off?

As to Ed, well I support him and Robert and prefer them to the better dancers because they start from further back in learning dances. I think the argument that were it to be a dance programme then all the celebs would have to start at the same level kicks into touch "better dancers" winning. If a learner cannot win then don't select celebs to participate who are learners. It would be disrespectful to never have a learner win because then it would mean they are there to be 'entertainment' monkeys, akin to those who used to be in the stocks so the public could jeer and throw rotting vegetables at them.
-Sid-
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by nyannie:
“I'm beginning to think that the mistakes should be pointed out. Yes, Ed is progressing, but not at the rate of someone like Rob Rinder. While Strictly is considered light entertainment, it is based on dance and I would hate to see a better dancer leave because Ed isn't in the dance off.I”

Yes but if Ed's knocked out, Rinder will be in the same position - improving but not the best dancer because he'll never become as good as a Danny in the space of 13 weeks. Should he leave next? I mean if that's the case what's the point of inviting dance novices onto the show or even bothering with the full 13 weeks - might as well have the final on week one between Danny and Louise.
Tommo781
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“No it doesn't matter how many mistakes Ed makes as far as I'm concerned .Any more than it matters how many repetitive negative threads about him pop up by the same few people . I'll still be voting for him .
He is entertaining me , and that's what I want on a Saturday evening . He is also improving hugely and very dedicated and deserves his place .”

Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“I can see that were they to allow Len, or one of the others, to list what's wrong then judges' comments would take a longer slice of time. Also, would viewers want to hear a litany of mistakes attributed to their favourite dancer who may have danced their socks off?

As to Ed, well I support him and Robert and prefer them to the better dancers because they start from further back in learning dances. I think the argument that were it to be a dance programme then all the celebs would have to start at the same level kicks into touch "better dancers" winning. If a learner cannot win then don't select celebs to participate who are learners. It would be disrespectful to never have a learner win because then it would mean they are there to be 'entertainment' monkeys, akin to those who used to be in the stocks so the public could jeer and throw rotting vegetables at them.”

Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Yes but if Ed's knocked out, Rinder will be in the same position - improving but not the best dancer because he'll never become as good as a Danny in the space of 13 weeks. Should he leave next? I mean if that's the case what's the point of inviting dance novices onto the show or even bothering with the full 13 weeks - might as well have the final on week one between Danny and Louise.”

Amen to all the above!
MaggieMcGee
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Yes but if Ed's knocked out, Rinder will be in the same position - improving but not the best dancer because he'll never become as good as a Danny in the space of 13 weeks. Should he leave next? I mean if that's the case what's the point of inviting dance novices onto the show or even bothering with the full 13 weeks - might as well have the final on week one between Danny and Louise.”

That would be effin' boring.
Fairytootoo
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Yes but if Ed's knocked out, Rinder will be in the same position - improving but not the best dancer because he'll never become as good as a Danny in the space of 13 weeks. Should he leave next? I mean if that's the case what's the point of inviting dance novices onto the show or even bothering with the full 13 weeks - might as well have the final on week one between Danny and Louise.”

A mix of levels and a mix of personalities allows for 'someone for everyone'
The best 'technical' dancer doesn't always win (Natalie + Pixie for example).

I'm not an Ed fan, personally, but I can choose whether to watch him, or not, and also choose who I vote for.
And everyone else is free to choose for themselves too, we are, after all, invited to vote for our favourites.
If that means Ed lifts the glitterball I'd be delighted for Katya and disappointed for others.
If my personal favourite went out at the semi and Ed were still in, I doubt I'd bother to watch the final, but again, that's my choice.
Chiltons Cane
19-11-2016
Ed could come on and lie on the floor kicking his legs about and the judges, bar Craig, will still score him a 7.
I cannot believe Len gave him an 8 last week and gave Danny a 9.
Its a joke now.
-Sid-
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“ That would be effin' boring.”

Not even Oti could rescue that level of bot blandness

Originally Posted by Fairytootoo:
“A mix of levels and a mix of personalities allows for 'someone for everyone'
The best 'technical' dancer doesn't always win (Natalie + Pixie for example).

I'm not an Ed fan, personally, but I can choose whether to watch him, or not, and also choose who I vote for.
And everyone else is free to choose for themselves too, we are, after all, invited to vote for our favourites.
If that means Ed lifts the glitterball I'd be delighted for Katya and disappointed for others.
If my personal favourite went out at the semi and Ed were still in, I doubt I'd bother to watch the final, but again, that's my choice.”

Your views sound way too reasonable to belong in 2016.
Chiltons Cane
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by alan29:
“Apart from that lift, I don't remember Ed making that many actual mistakes as in getting the routine wrong or going blank.
What I get from him is dance-based entertainment.
And I reckon that dance-based entertainment is the name of the game. I would rather watch Ed over and again rather than the technically flawless but joyless Danny, for example.”

I guess it depends what you look for in the guise of entertainment. I find a flawless dance entertaining but then i watch Strictly for amazing dances, not joke dances. While some people prefer the joke acts. Danny is amazing to watch because he is so good and i prefer the good dances to the bad.
sorcha_healy27
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by alan29:
“Apart from that lift, I don't remember Ed making that many actual mistakes as in getting the routine wrong or going blank.
What I get from him is dance-based entertainment.
And I reckon that dance-based entertainment is the name of the game. I would rather watch Ed over and again rather than the technically flawless but joyless Danny, for example.”

I agree with this post although I do enjoy Danny's dancing. I really enjoy watching Ed though.
MrsGraham
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by alan29:
“Apart from that lift, I don't remember Ed making that many actual mistakes as in getting the routine wrong or going blank.
What I get from him is dance-based entertainment.
And I reckon that dance-based entertainment is the name of the game. I would rather watch Ed over and again rather than the technically flawless but joyless Danny, for example.”

I completely agree. I tend to lose interest in Danny's dances after a few seconds, and you're right, it's because I'm not seeing any spark of genuine joy in his performance. Ed has it in spades, and it's what makes him so watchable.
robbleona
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“No it doesn't matter how many mistakes Ed makes as far as I'm concerned .Any more than it matters how many repetitive negative threads about him pop up by the same few people . I'll still be voting for him .
He is entertaining me , and that's what I want on a Saturday evening . He is also improving hugely and very dedicated and deserves his place .”

same here...as long as he is in it, and as long as he entertains me...he gets my vote.
robbleona
19-11-2016
the 'extra' dancers...will they be a complication we could do without??
ed and katya are enough for me!
-Sid-
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by Chiltons Cane:
“I guess it depends what you look for in the guise of entertainment. I find a flawless dance entertaining but then i watch Strictly for amazing dances, not joke dances. While some people prefer the joke acts.”

It needn't be either / or. Over the series I've been entertained by a whole range of contestants from the technically brilliant like Kara and Rachel (who managed to move me as well as impress me with their dancing) to the likes of Mark Benton and Ed who don't look like they'll be any good but surprised me by showing great rhythm and musicality even if their technique isn't that hot. Yeah their routines usually include a comedy twist but I wouldn't lump them in with other 'joke acts' like Widdie who was hopeless in every sense (tho I still didn't resent people voting for her either - even when she took out Jimi Mistry ).
lulu g
19-11-2016
I agree it doesn't have to be one or t'other. The contestants I always look forward to seeing are Danny and Ore because they are naturally great dancers, and Ed because he is such fun.
PAUL HUDSON
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by CravenHaven:
“he was inviting a cold response, but this was frisian (ツ)”

BOOM BOOM TISH
silkdragon
19-11-2016
I always favour the underdog, Ed really put everything into his dancing, mistakes, so what
nobody is perfect. Come on Ed, I live just down the road from Blackpool in Cleveleys,
so I hope you can hear all your fans from Cleveleys cheering you on.
Fatima502
19-11-2016
At this stage, I think it does. He's had two weeks where he hasn't gone wrong and I am sure that has boosted his vote. It will help him if there are ties judge’s scores above him. They will help him more than any lack of mistakes.
clayton_st
19-11-2016
I hope Big Ed wins and it will teach the BBC a lesson.
mrsdidi
19-11-2016
I think some of the issue is that viewers see the judges marking some contestants far more generously which they don't like and so they will vote for the ones they see as being "picked on" . Take tonight Eds jive was very poor compared to some we have seen so far but compared to Claudia jive tonight it wasn't that bad, at least they were in sync for most of the time even if his version of the footwork wasn't the same as hers whereas Claudia jive was completely out of time and sync yet the judges praised her to the hilt
pabird
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by mrsdidi:
“I think some of the issue is that viewers see the judges marking some contestants far more generously which they don't like and so they will vote for the ones they see as being "picked on" . Take tonight Eds jive was very poor compared to some we have seen so far but compared to Claudia jive tonight it wasn't that bad, at least they were in sync for most of the time even if his version of the footwork wasn't the same as hers whereas Claudia jive was completely out of time and sync yet the judges praised her to the hilt”

In simple terms Eds dancing tonight could only place him at the bottom which is where he ended after judges points counted

Nice of the beeb to give him another side by side happy hands and feet number but please all the others have improved beyond Ed
nyannie
19-11-2016
Originally Posted by Fairytootoo:
“A mix of levels and a mix of personalities allows for 'someone for everyone'
The best 'technical' dancer doesn't always win (Natalie + Pixie for example).

I'm not an Ed fan, personally, but I can choose whether to watch him, or not, and also choose who I vote for.
And everyone else is free to choose for themselves too, we are, after all, invited to vote for our favourites.
If that means Ed lifts the glitterball I'd be delighted for Katya and disappointed for others.
If my personal favourite went out at the semi and Ed were still in, I doubt I'd bother to watch the final, but again, that's my choice.”

I think you have put what I have been thinking very well - thanks. I too will give up on Strictly if my favourite is out before the final and that is my choice too.
-Sid-
19-11-2016
Didn't vote for Ed in the end to tonight. The magic was missing, I think he peaked last week. I'd be alright with him bowing out at Blackpool.
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