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Old 18-11-2016, 19:20
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Wouldn't it be much better if he was hiring someone to work in one of his businesses like before? That way folk would get the boot if they were bad and not be kept on because of their business plans.

He might as well just do a Dragons Den style show and have it all done in one week.

K was right to have been booted out last week, but Granary should have gone the week she messed up at Liberty's too.
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Old 18-11-2016, 19:33
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but Granary should have gone the week she messed up at Liberty's too.
How did she mess up? she got all the information gathered on the jet skis.. no other seller on either team did this..

then she rightly got the clients to talk to the owner

Just a grainne hater?
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Old 18-11-2016, 22:26
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How did she mess up? she got all the information gathered on the jet skis.. no other seller on either team did this..

then she rightly got the clients to talk to the owner

Just a grainne hater?
That poster said she should have gone the week she was team leader. It says it right there in the bit you quoted.
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Old 19-11-2016, 00:13
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Wouldn't it be much better if he was hiring someone to work in one of his businesses like before? That way folk would get the boot if they were bad and not be kept on because of their business plans.

He might as well just do a Dragons Den style show and have it all done in one week.

K was right to have been booted out last week, but Granary should have gone the week she messed up at Liberty's too.
This keeps coming up, but they can't go back, because the old format had ceased to work. No one wanted his job.

Why assume people being fired early on have bad business plans? There is no evidence to support this apart from assumption. People were judged as potential employees before, now they are judged as potential business partners. Someone could have a great business idea but be a complete nightmare to work with.

In the job prize format duff candidates were kept in for entertainment value, just as now. Changing the prize back won't change the show much but it would be far less attractive to the winner.
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Old 19-11-2016, 07:50
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ive never seen the show in that old format so id be happy for them to try it again see if it works
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Old 19-11-2016, 09:58
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That poster said she should have gone the week she was team leader. It says it right there in the bit you quoted.
Why thank you. Someone who can actually read.

I love Granary. She reminds me of Roisin a bit. She is definitely one of my most favourite candidates but in the Liberty task she was really bad and struggled to keep the others in check.

If people mess up as pms, sorry, but they need to go.
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Old 19-11-2016, 13:23
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Why thank you. Someone who can actually read.

I love Granary. She reminds me of Roisin a bit. She is definitely one of my most favourite candidates but in the Liberty task she was really bad and struggled to keep the others in check.

If people mess up as pms, sorry, but they need to go.
Yet still can't be bothered to type her name correctly
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Old 19-11-2016, 15:33
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This keeps coming up, but they can't go back, because the old format had ceased to work. No one wanted his job.

Why assume people being fired early on have bad business plans? There is no evidence to support this apart from assumption. People were judged as potential employees before, now they are judged as potential business partners. Someone could have a great business idea but be a complete nightmare to work with.

In the job prize format duff candidates were kept in for entertainment value, just as now. Changing the prize back won't change the show much but it would be far less attractive to the winner.
I totally agree with most of this and all with the bb - Stella proved that.

But also, as I have said on other posts on this, Sugar could not realistically keep finding jobs for people. Especially as a good percentage of them are / were about as much use as a ashtray on a motorbike (other than Stella who I thought was great ).
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Old 19-11-2016, 20:43
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Didn't the change come about because he sold off several businesses, notably Viglen, so there wasn't really a slot for a real apprentice as such? Sugar also is less hands on these days, so the mentor/App relationship wouldn't be there.

Stella was too full of herself and like many of Karren's beloved sisterhood reckoned she could play he discrimination card to get what she wanted. That Michelle Dewberry was the same, except she managed to get up the club with Syed and spouts cr*p on Sky (she must be getting it on with someone there to get the amount of work she does).
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Old 19-11-2016, 21:01
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Yet still can't be bothered to type her name correctly
Mwahahaha, I don't know how to spell her name. It's the first time I have heard her name to be honest.

I have to admit she cracked me up when she did "All Night Long" to Big K when he was dozing off, had me in stitches.

I completely understand what folk are saying about the previous format not being too good when folk quit of left within a short time, but the format actually worked. Now he just keeps on folk that have good business plans regardless of how carp they are at the actual tasks.

It's all good fun though, just quite annoying at times. I know I should switch off, but this is one of the few reality tv shows I actually enjoy.
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Old 19-11-2016, 21:07
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Didn't the change come about because he sold off several businesses, notably Viglen, so there wasn't really a slot for a real apprentice as such? Sugar also is less hands on these days, so the mentor/App relationship wouldn't be there.

Stella was too full of herself and like many of Karren's beloved sisterhood reckoned she could play he discrimination card to get what she wanted. That Michelle Dewberry was the same, except she managed to get up the club with Syed and spouts cr*p on Sky (she must be getting it on with someone there to get the amount of work she does).
You are likely right about your first paragraph - but I beg to differ concerning Stella.

But we all hold different views on many things.
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Old 19-11-2016, 22:04
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There is a lawyers' board I used to frequent occasionally, where a poster calling himself "Italian guy" reckoned to have sha**ed her - didn't say much about her taste in men, judging from the stick he got generally.

She lost her claim against Sugar and the tribunal the claim "should never have been brought".
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Old 20-11-2016, 01:47
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Mwahahaha, I don't know how to spell her name. It's the first time I have heard her name to be honest.
You do.
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Old 20-11-2016, 10:39
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Didn't the change come about because he sold off several businesses, notably Viglen, so there wasn't really a slot for a real apprentice as such? Sugar also is less hands on these days, so the mentor/App relationship wouldn't be there.

Stella was too full of herself and like many of Karren's beloved sisterhood reckoned she could play he discrimination card to get what she wanted. That Michelle Dewberry was the same, except she managed to get up the club with Syed and spouts cr*p on Sky (she must be getting it on with someone there to get the amount of work she does).
More likely it was Stella who proved, not least to Lord Sugar, the whole job thing was no longer viable, mainly because he no longer had the range of businesses he used to, and that if you try and parachute in someone off telly, the first thing that happens is the people doing the real work on a damn sight less than £100,000 resent it.

As an aside, it is said that in America, Donald Trump (whatever happened to him?) would set up his winners to run massive building projects -- except they were not allowed to change so much as the wallpaper used and their real job was to be interviewed by press and TV for a year.

It is a shame all round since Stella had seemed like one of the more competent candidates we've seen over the years.
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Old 20-11-2016, 10:46
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There is a lawyers' board I used to frequent occasionally, where a poster calling himself "Italian guy" reckoned to have sha**ed her - didn't say much about her taste in men, judging from the stick he got generally.

She lost her claim against Sugar and the tribunal the claim "should never have been brought".
I am a simple sole and based my opinion only on her time in the series.

She was they best candidate and rightly won imo.

In fact she would have been better served if they had the format they use now.
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Old 20-11-2016, 12:37
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I don't get this format either. You see people working their bums off the entire season, only to get to the 'interrogation about business plan' week and it all crumbles. People with better business plans that Alan might've loved, may have been booted off early. It makes no sense unless he reads them before that point and picks his winner and the rest is for our entertainment.
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Old 20-11-2016, 12:52
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More likely it was Stella who proved, not least to Lord Sugar, the whole job thing was no longer viable, mainly because he no longer had the range of businesses he used to, and that if you try and parachute in someone off telly, the first thing that happens is the people doing the real work on a damn sight less than £100,000 resent it.

As an aside, it is said that in America, Donald Trump (whatever happened to him?) would set up his winners to run massive building projects -- except they were not allowed to change so much as the wallpaper used and their real job was to be interviewed by press and TV for a year.

It is a shame all round since Stella had seemed like one of the more competent candidates we've seen over the years.
Agree with every word and especially bb.
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Old 20-11-2016, 12:54
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Never mind the spelling of G's name, what about the poltergeist/exorcist look she gives in the Boardroom when she slowly swerves her head round with her eyes glaring!! Its like she's witnessed a murder
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Old 20-11-2016, 13:04
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Never mind the spelling of G's name, what about the poltergeist/exorcist look she gives in the Boardroom when she slowly swerves her head round with her eyes glaring!! Its like she's witnessed a murder
Yes indeed - bet Linda Blair is glad that Grainne had not even been born then !
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Old 20-11-2016, 14:41
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I am a simple sole and based my opinion only on her time in the series.

She was they best candidate and rightly won imo.

In fact she would have been better served if they had the format they use now.
LOL, Stella had a very poor second half of that series. People only liked her win because she succesfully managed to lead the boys team in week 2.
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Old 20-11-2016, 17:32
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[quote=Sherlock_Holmes;84629701]LOL, Stella had a very poor second half of that series. People only liked her win because she succesfully managed to lead the boys team in week 2.[/QUOTE]



What an odd post.

I liked her and it never - even for a moment - crossed my mind that the reason I liked her was because she "lead the boys team "
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Old 23-11-2016, 14:11
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Probably been mentioned in the past but why does it have to be Alan Sugar that presents this show? Yes, he may not have a job vacancy for someone anymore, so why not have a different boss each series who is offering a job?
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Old 23-11-2016, 20:26
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Probably been mentioned in the past but why does it have to be Alan Sugar that presents this show? Yes, he may not have a job vacancy for someone anymore, so why not have a different boss each series who is offering a job?
Good question. In theory anyone could do it. In practice, it is far less certain. The Apprentice started in America and was franchised all round the world. So far as I know, ours is the only one still running, so to that extent, Lord Sugar has been more successful than any of his peers in other countries -- though to be fair, Donald Trump might have other distractions.

But even before he ran for president, though, Trump was reduced to doing celebrity versions. Richard Branson presented a similar show which flopped.

So all the evidence is there is something special about our version which means it has lasted where none of the others has. And maybe that thing is Lord Sugar.

But if not Sugar, then who? Apparently Stelios was considered right at the start. I guess one of the Dragons Den stalwarts might do. It would need to be someone with a range of businesses, as Lord Sugar had at the start. I don't know.

As an aside, Donald Trump was paid $200 million from The Apprentice. Lord Sugar's fee goes to charity.
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Old 23-11-2016, 21:03
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I'd doubt that many people with the cash would actually pony up a 100k+ of their own money on what could be a best of the worst shall we say.
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Old 24-11-2016, 22:09
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I'd doubt that many people with the cash would actually pony up a 100k+ of their own money on what could be a best of the worst shall we say.
Don't think there's ever been a best of the worst winner in the odl series. He picked reasonable winners in most series, and in many he avoided the real high lyers who he could have hired.He could have had Kate, Liz, or Helen who all hold down major jobs now. Its the winners from Tom on who wouldn't be good enough for most jobs elsewhere . Trishna looks OK, this series. The Young Apprentice series also found a whole gaggle of people who are flying high now - they are out there.
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