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Old 18-11-2016, 21:37
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https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...vrches-beyonce

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Old 18-11-2016, 22:06
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How the hell can you ban swearing?
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Old 18-11-2016, 22:08
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Tbf as soon as I hear any of the modern artists mentioned in the article, I drop F Bombs, C Bombs, W Bombs and anything else you can think of.
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Old 18-11-2016, 22:41
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"fruity language has become predictable shorthand for cred. "

Definitely. That and cliché-ridden over explicit videos.
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Old 18-11-2016, 23:11
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There is an easy fix for this problem....real easy.
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Old 19-11-2016, 02:52
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I agree that swearing needs to be dropped, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. I am rather surprised that the lid wasn't completely blown off of this particular can sooner when people already say whatever they want to no matter what.

God bless you always!!!

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Old 19-11-2016, 09:17
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How the hell can you ban swearing?
As the article says make radio edits, thats the way it used to be done. And do it within reason like the past if you are a band like The 1975 or Chvrches where they just have the occasional swear then you can make radio edit singles and a radio edit album version. If you are a hip hop artist say the singles should have a clean version the album can remain explicit.
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Old 19-11-2016, 09:34
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As the article says make radio edits, thats the way it used to be done. And do it within reason like the past if you are a band like The 1975 or Chvrches where they just have the occasional swear then you can make radio edit singles and a radio edit album version. If you are a hip hop artist say the singles should have a clean version the album can remain explicit.
And it still is being done so what is the problem? Streaming sites like Spotify often offer 2 versions of an album as well.
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Old 20-11-2016, 14:14
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Lest ye forget....Prince v Tipper Gore..who's side would you be on?

http://thewilderness.me/explicit-lyrics/

Pop music has always been at the forefront of freedom of expression...and ever be it so.

We don't need no thought police. Bye.
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Old 20-11-2016, 17:05
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And it still is being done so what is the problem? Streaming sites like Spotify often offer 2 versions of an album as well.

not enough, I have 15 songs marked explicit out of 150 in my main Spotify playlist and none of them have clean versions.
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Old 20-11-2016, 18:39
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Generation Snowflake strikes again. People get offended at anything these days. The solution is not to ban it altogether but have two versions - the explicit version and the clean version.
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Old 20-11-2016, 18:57
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There's no real power in bad language these days, apart for the 'n' word - which carries a particular historical relevance. Even the 'c' word is gaining mainstream acceptance, via the Australian way.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:38
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Generation Snowflake strikes again. People get offended at anything these days. The solution is not to ban it altogether but have two versions - the explicit version and the clean version.
Generation snowflake? Is this a joke? It is normally elderly Daily Mail readers that complain about swearing.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:39
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Generation Snowflake strikes again. People get offended at anything these days. The solution is not to ban it altogether but have two versions - the explicit version and the clean version.
hardly in the 80 and 90s it was still controversial having 'sex' mentioned in your song never mind swear words.
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Old 20-11-2016, 22:53
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I have no problem with swear words. They're just words that people decided were "naughty". If people want to use them in their songs, let them. Banning it is pathetic.
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Old 20-11-2016, 23:58
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Generation snowflake? Is this a joke? It is normally elderly Daily Mail readers that complain about swearing.
Yes it is such a thing and is common amongst university students. Just Google it and read more.
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Old 21-11-2016, 07:44
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Yes it is such a thing and is common amongst university students. Just Google it and read more.
No it isn't. This generation will campaign against things they will consider un PC not swearing.
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Old 21-11-2016, 07:57
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No it isn't. This generation will campaign against things they will consider un PC not swearing.
Check this out. The term even has its own entry on Wikipedia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Snowflake

It's not all young people, my kids aren't snowflakes.
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Old 21-11-2016, 08:19
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Check this out. The term even has its own entry on Wikipedia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Snowflake

It's not all young people, my kids aren't snowflakes.
Well I agree. I hate the term. But to even now blame this generation of complaining about something like swearing is laughable. I doubt say the BBC for example when they get complaints about swearing it is from young people.
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Old 21-11-2016, 10:45
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swear words are such an interesting concept to me. i'm not one of thise "AH PC GONE MAD" people, in fact i would definitely be described as part of "generation snowflake" but i cannot understand why swear words even exist? they have no historical or societal background in oppression so literally all we would have to do as a society is say "these words aren't naughty" and that's the problem solved. if f\/ck, sh!t and b0ll0cks were treated just like any other words then we wouldn't have an issue. we give power to these words and then get offended by them which is so weird to me.
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Old 21-11-2016, 11:05
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A lot of cursing in songs is completely gratuitous and adds nothing to the lyrics, but I remember being furious when BBC 6 Music censored the Ben Folds Five song Battle of Who Could Care Less:

I've go this great idea
Why don't we pitch it to the Franklin F**kin' Mint
Fine pewter portraits of
general apathy and major boredom singing...
Whatever and ever Amen

Because the f-word emphasises the lyric's bitterness and despair, bleeping it reduces its impact, and the mock-cheerful Beach Boys style harmonies are less ironic without the swearing. And 6 Music is supposed to be a station for grown-ups.

Song: https://youtu.be/W8Ohxr3RbP4
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Old 21-11-2016, 12:30
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A lot of cursing in songs is completely gratuitous and adds nothing to the lyrics, but I remember being furious when BBC 6 Music censored the Ben Folds Five song Battle of Who Could Care Less:

I've go this great idea
Why don't we pitch it to the Franklin F**kin' Mint
Fine pewter portraits of
general apathy and major boredom singing...
Whatever and ever Amen

Because the f-word emphasises the lyric's bitterness and despair, bleeping it reduces its impact, and the mock-cheerful Beach Boys style harmonies are less ironic without the swearing. And 6 Music is supposed to be a station for grown-ups.

Song: https://youtu.be/W8Ohxr3RbP4
But 6 Music still has to abide to Ofcom regulations and they could be fined if just 1 person complained. It is a difficult one with Radio because there is no watershed just a vague compliance on whether children are likely to listen. Radio 4 has certainly played out Dramas with swearing during the day on the basis that children are unlikely to be listening. The same could be said with 6 Music so I accept your argument but I suppose the management aren't willing to take the risk?
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Old 21-11-2016, 12:38
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How the hell can you ban swearing?
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Old 21-11-2016, 12:53
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But 6 Music still has to abide to Ofcom regulations and they could be fined if just 1 person complained. It is a difficult one with Radio because there is no watershed just a vague compliance on whether children are likely to listen. Radio 4 has certainly played out Dramas with swearing during the day on the basis that children are unlikely to be listening. The same could be said with 6 Music so I accept your argument but I suppose the management aren't willing to take the risk?
I know. But if I still had young kids I would not object to them hearing songs which had swearing if the swearwords were used creatively, to reinforce the meaning of the song. I would object to "I went down the f***in' street to buy some cheese-and-f****in'-onion crisps mother*****" style swearing because it adds nothing to the song. Context should be taken into account when deciding whether bad language is acceptable or gratuitous.
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:08
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX-b...=RDpX-bIr8dr6U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1E0Zt_Sg0A

I have no time for sweary rap but swearing in music can be beautiful
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