If Ore was overmarked, I'd hate to see what the rest were. Overmarking galore tonight, so I can't really say that Ore was one that needs to be held to distinction. I'm a grouchy stickler when it comes to overmarking, but even with the Blackpool effect there was not a single celeb I thought was marked accurately. So with that, I thought Ore's position on the leaderboard is fair and Jo managed to create a routine that didn't offend me with the backing dancers. End backing dancers on Strictly 2k16
Ore over marked ?
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Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Compared to what Claudia was given for an okay Jive, he was undermarked by Craig and marked fairly by the other 3. They should've given Claudia more like what it deserved (8) then there wouldn't have been an issue.”
“Compared to what Claudia was given for an okay Jive, he was undermarked by Craig and marked fairly by the other 3. They should've given Claudia more like what it deserved (8) then there wouldn't have been an issue.”
Completely agree. Ore was excellent as usual. I certainly appreciated his genius over Claudia's. He is the highlight of the show for my houseful and me every Saturday.
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Bib . Now now Dervla .
Well the thread title is about Ore so for me it's fine to say "yep. Overmarked" .
I like the guy , but tonight his routine was very weird and he seemed to have his eyes glued to the ceiling , yet kept his head quite level . For me it looked creepy , like he was asking God's help . I just didn't like his performance”
“Bib . Now now Dervla .
Well the thread title is about Ore so for me it's fine to say "yep. Overmarked" .
I like the guy , but tonight his routine was very weird and he seemed to have his eyes glued to the ceiling , yet kept his head quite level . For me it looked creepy , like he was asking God's help . I just didn't like his performance”
Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. Jittery sensitivities... Apologies.
It's simply that everyone was overmarked and despite the eyes/ceiling/God thingy you saw, I really thought he was fabulous tonight. Is that down to Jo's wonderful choreography? Got to be in part but Ore's performance -- his ability to be at the centre of it -- was fab. I agree with primer's post. This was the dance of the night for me. They could have scored it with threes and I'd still be beaming...
Originally Posted by Gary Baldi:
“Change the thread title to 'Why was Everyone overmarked?'
I really don't get this constant Ore bashing. Yet again, a tunnel visioned original post that only sees overmarking for one 'special' person, with the OP covering eyes and ears and wilfully blanking out the possibility that there was overmarking of other dancers.”
“Change the thread title to 'Why was Everyone overmarked?'
I really don't get this constant Ore bashing. Yet again, a tunnel visioned original post that only sees overmarking for one 'special' person, with the OP covering eyes and ears and wilfully blanking out the possibility that there was overmarking of other dancers.”
Maybe because the OP made this thread before all the others had danced and thus been over marked?? There are a lot of comments about Danny being overmarked now.
Ore's mark seemed a bit high but the placement on the board is probably right so it has all worked out despite all the general overarching
Originally Posted by Gary Baldi:
“Change the thread title to 'Why was Everyone overmarked?'
I really don't get this constant Ore bashing. Yet again, a tunnel visioned original post that only sees overmarking for one 'special' person, with the OP covering eyes and ears and wilfully blanking out the possibility that there was overmarking of other dancers.”
“Change the thread title to 'Why was Everyone overmarked?'
I really don't get this constant Ore bashing. Yet again, a tunnel visioned original post that only sees overmarking for one 'special' person, with the OP covering eyes and ears and wilfully blanking out the possibility that there was overmarking of other dancers.”
I agree.
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“Serious question, why does the forum always pick on Ore? Everyone was overmarked. Danny most of all. Well, apart from Ed. He deserved better than Craig's four IMO.
What is it about Ore, I wonder?”
“Serious question, why does the forum always pick on Ore? Everyone was overmarked. Danny most of all. Well, apart from Ed. He deserved better than Craig's four IMO.
What is it about Ore, I wonder?”
FWIW - and it sounds really daft - Ore always strikes me as uncomfortable in front of the camera. As a result he presents as somewhat mannered and, to some extent, not himself.
I'm a huge fan of sport, so I've seen a lot of Ore as he's made progress as a sports presenter, and he never strikes me as feeling as if he's an intrinsic part of the sporting proceedings - his presentation is detached. I can't explain it any better than that, other than to say I get that feeling of detachment with Strictly, as well.
If I thought you might have watched Rio 2016 especially through the wee small hours of broadcast, I'd suggest you contrast him with Dan Walker who completely smashed it out of court.
It's a shame - I really like Ore, but I do feel like there's a part of him he's holding back.
Nonsensical .
Compare that to Katie and Anton's last year which got zero tens I know which I'd rather watch. That was arseing about with a long fleckle.
BS.
Compare that to Katie and Anton's last year which got zero tens I know which I'd rather watch. That was arseing about with a long fleckle.
BS.
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. Jittery sensitivities... Apologies.
It's simply that everyone was overmarked and despite the eyes/ceiling/God thingy you saw, I really thought he was fabulous tonight. Is that down to Jo's wonderful choreography? Got to be in part but Ore's performance -- his ability to be at the centre of it -- was fab. I agree with primer's post. This was the dance of the night for me. They could have scored it with threes and I'd still be beaming...”
“Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. Jittery sensitivities... Apologies.
It's simply that everyone was overmarked and despite the eyes/ceiling/God thingy you saw, I really thought he was fabulous tonight. Is that down to Jo's wonderful choreography? Got to be in part but Ore's performance -- his ability to be at the centre of it -- was fab. I agree with primer's post. This was the dance of the night for me. They could have scored it with threes and I'd still be beaming...”
Well when you REALLY really like a contestant you tend to not notice tiny flaws, \I think . That's a general "you" not you personally . I know I do . Like I said I quite like Ore and love his enthusiasm but not enough to ignore him saying his prayers during his routine . 🙏Naughty boy .
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“He was better than Claudia and because they gave her 9s willy nilly they had no choice but to give Ore 10s.”
“He was better than Claudia and because they gave her 9s willy nilly they had no choice but to give Ore 10s.”
yep....it gave them nowhere to go. Both obscenely overmarked...though claudia probably deserves a change of heart from the joodges.
Originally Posted by dd23:
“Nonsensical .
Compare that to Katie and Anton's last year which got zero tens I know which I'd rather watch. That was arseing about with a long fleckle.
BS.”
“Nonsensical .
Compare that to Katie and Anton's last year which got zero tens I know which I'd rather watch. That was arseing about with a long fleckle.
BS.”
You can't compare it to last years. THAT'S nonsensical. The judges mark the first dance as a base and then mark the others in comparison to that. They started much too high with Claudia and Ore was then marked fairly in comparison. Trying to compare year on year (or even week on week!) with the marks is a totally losing battle and I don't know why anyone does it.
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Well when you REALLY really like a contestant you tend to not notice tiny flaws, \I think . That's a general "you" not you personally . I know I do . Like I said I quite like Ore and love his enthusiasm but not enough to ignore him saying his prayers during his routine . Naughty boy .”
“Well when you REALLY really like a contestant you tend to not notice tiny flaws, \I think . That's a general "you" not you personally . I know I do . Like I said I quite like Ore and love his enthusiasm but not enough to ignore him saying his prayers during his routine . Naughty boy .”
I don't understand, that is part of the routine, a nod to Frank... Frank use to do the same thing
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“Serious question, why does the forum always pick on Ore? Everyone was overmarked. Danny most of all. Well, apart from Ed. He deserved better than Craig's four IMO.
What is it about Ore, I wonder?”
“Serious question, why does the forum always pick on Ore? Everyone was overmarked. Danny most of all. Well, apart from Ed. He deserved better than Craig's four IMO.
What is it about Ore, I wonder?”
I wonder
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Well when you REALLY really like a contestant you tend to not notice tiny flaws, \I think . That's a general "you" not you personally . I know I do . Like I said I quite like Ore and love his enthusiasm but not enough to ignore him saying his prayers during his routine . 🙏Naughty boy .”
“Well when you REALLY really like a contestant you tend to not notice tiny flaws, \I think . That's a general "you" not you personally . I know I do . Like I said I quite like Ore and love his enthusiasm but not enough to ignore him saying his prayers during his routine . 🙏Naughty boy .”
I thought that was part of the routine as a homage to Frank Sinatra and/or the hope he doesn't get caught cheating in the poker game theme. Unless you mean in the fleckerl where it looked like he was either looking for a sick bucket or counting his way out of the turn.
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“You can't compare it to last years. THAT'S nonsensical. The judges mark the first dance as a base and then mark the others in comparison to that. They started much too high with Claudia and Ore was then marked fairly in comparison. Trying to compare year on year (or even week on week!) with the marks is a totally losing battle and I don't know why anyone does it.”
“You can't compare it to last years. THAT'S nonsensical. The judges mark the first dance as a base and then mark the others in comparison to that. They started much too high with Claudia and Ore was then marked fairly in comparison. Trying to compare year on year (or even week on week!) with the marks is a totally losing battle and I don't know why anyone does it.”
Katie and ,Anton were last on so your point re the marking standard set doesn't stand. It's not a question of comparison, it's a question of nonsensical marking.
There was some definite over-marking tonight, but I felt Claudia was the one who was given incredibly inflated scores and kind comments!
There was much more than a tiny mistake in there and fundamental problems in her technique, as she was taking such wide steps it threw her off throughout the entire routine leading to wobbles of balance, slip ups and looking lost in timing. 9's??? She's usually great, but genuinely stunned by high marks for that performance. Left wondering whether the other dancers genuinely obscured the judges' sight of her or whether they were just instructed to give Blackpool a positive start?
Starting with bizarre 9's, it meant other dances had no level ground to go on as the show continued.
There was much more than a tiny mistake in there and fundamental problems in her technique, as she was taking such wide steps it threw her off throughout the entire routine leading to wobbles of balance, slip ups and looking lost in timing. 9's??? She's usually great, but genuinely stunned by high marks for that performance. Left wondering whether the other dancers genuinely obscured the judges' sight of her or whether they were just instructed to give Blackpool a positive start?
Starting with bizarre 9's, it meant other dances had no level ground to go on as the show continued.
Originally Posted by dd23:
“Katie and ,Anton were last on so your point re the marking standard set doesn't stand. It's not a question of comparison, it's a question of nonsensical marking.”
“Katie and ,Anton were last on so your point re the marking standard set doesn't stand. It's not a question of comparison, it's a question of nonsensical marking.”
Sorry but you seem to have misread what I wrote - I said you can't compare a dance from last year with a dance from this year score-wise because it depends where the marking started on that particular week.
The most over-marked celeb there tonight was Claudia. If I could be bothered I'd start a thread on the topic, but it seems only certain couples attract huge numbers of comments- good or bad.
Originally Posted by dippydancing:
“The most over-marked celeb there tonight was Claudia.”
“The most over-marked celeb there tonight was Claudia.”
Agreed. I've enjoyed her up to now but that was painful to watch.
I thought he was well back on form this week and really enjoyed it. Claudia (who I also really like by the way) really wasn't very good and I have no clue what the judges were watching. So I dont think he was over marked as he was better than Claudia and she already had four 9s
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Sorry but you seem to have misread what I wrote - I said you can't compare a dance from last year with a dance from this year score-wise because it depends where the marking started on that particular week.”
“Sorry but you seem to have misread what I wrote - I said you can't compare a dance from last year with a dance from this year score-wise because it depends where the marking started on that particular week.”
I haven't misread it, I just don't agree.
That VW was one of the outstanding dances of the season, but was undermarked. There was no constraint on how it was marked by the previous markings because it was the last dance of the night and there was no issue of something even more outstanding turning up.
I appreciate having watched the rest of the show that this was the second in a long line of nonsense. There wasn't one dance tonight worth a ten, yet how many were awarded.
That to me is nonsensical marking.
Originally Posted by Fuchsia Groan:
“Spot on. Routine of the night - absolutely bloody gorgeous, oozing with class.”
“Spot on. Routine of the night - absolutely bloody gorgeous, oozing with class.”
Originally Posted by primer:
“it was the best dance of the night by some way in my opinion, the only one that managed not to be muddled or obscured by the backing dancers, and made best use of dramatic potential, given its an entertainment show not a purist competition. great choreography, well danced.”
“it was the best dance of the night by some way in my opinion, the only one that managed not to be muddled or obscured by the backing dancers, and made best use of dramatic potential, given its an entertainment show not a purist competition. great choreography, well danced.”
I agree, I like it best too as it was the only one that wasn't totally overwhelmed by backing dancers and lighting effects.
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“He was better than Claudia and because they gave her 9s willy nilly they had no choice but to give Ore 10s.”
“He was better than Claudia and because they gave her 9s willy nilly they had no choice but to give Ore 10s.”
This.
And Ore's top line was a minor point about his head which would annoy a lot of dance teachers and judges but is a small infraction compared to messing up the routine and being on the wrong foot!
Claudia shouldn't have had straight 9s - if she'd scored 34 then I suspect Ore would have got 36.
Originally Posted by Goblin99:
“I don't see any "picking on" Ore. There are people who like him and people who don't.
Personally what I see of his personality on the program grates on me and I think he is too hyped and favoured. This is something that developed from the start of the series, because for the launch I had him down as someone I might like and I was surprised to feel the opposite.
I don't agree with the judges' comments about his dancing for the most part.
If you want me to go through, dance by dance, and point out the issues I see and the problems I have with their comments and marking, I can. But I suspect that wouldn't accomplish anything.
You have your opinion, others have theirs.”
“I don't see any "picking on" Ore. There are people who like him and people who don't.
Personally what I see of his personality on the program grates on me and I think he is too hyped and favoured. This is something that developed from the start of the series, because for the launch I had him down as someone I might like and I was surprised to feel the opposite.
I don't agree with the judges' comments about his dancing for the most part.
If you want me to go through, dance by dance, and point out the issues I see and the problems I have with their comments and marking, I can. But I suspect that wouldn't accomplish anything.
You have your opinion, others have theirs.”
Indeed and mine is that he was better than Louise and they shouldn't have been tied. Most were overmarked with the bar being set at 9's for Claudia when she had some really iffy moves in the jive.
I am sure part of peoples issue is his positivity and 'lt's just smile' personality. He was a childrens tv presenter after all.
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