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Guardian: EU agrees to push UK into Hard Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-farage-le-pen
"European leaders have come to a 27-nation consensus that a “hard Brexit” is likely to be the only way to see off future populist insurgencies, which could lead to the break-up of the European Union." There may not be any negotiations yet but it seems the EU's stance is now hardening as the triggering of Article50 is nearing, The EU president (whoever that is?) already told us it was 'Hard Brexit or no Brexit' and it seems the 27 have now all signed up to this plan of thought too. The PM surely won't back down on Border Controls (as she's already stated) so it seems very clear what's going to happen. |
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Let's get on with it then.
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Good. The harder the better.
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At least the facade of European unity has been dropped, threats and coercion are the only things keeping the EU together now.
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Slightly misleading headline : they're saying they would push Britain into a hard Brexit *if* the UK refuses to obey the rules of the Single Market or accept freedom of movement (the exact same rules the other 27 members, plus four others are already obeying).
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Let's believe it when we see the actual negotiations.
I think one heck of a lot of new surprises are in store in the coming years. |
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Surely this is the best news we've had all month.
Thank you Europe, take that Trevgo, aurichie and all you remainers. |
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Surely this is the best news we've had all month.
Thank you Europe, take that Trevgo, aurichie and all you remainers. |
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There's some interesting elections coming up in some European countries and depending on how things go there might not be much of an EU left in two and a bit years.
Italy is having a referendum on something in the next couple of weeks that could see the govt being defeated and the far right one step closer to taking power. Other countries are closing their borders and saying enough is enough so FOM and Schengen is coming under considerable and increasing pressure from within. It might turn into us jumping as opposed to being pushed. It might force changes that could even have lead to a different referendum result. Who knows? Anyone trying to predict anything at the moment might as well take a long holiday Salt Pinch Take |
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Slightly misleading headline : they're saying they would push Britain into a hard Brexit *if* the UK refuses to obey the rules of the Single Market or accept freedom of movement (the exact same rules the other 27 members, plus four others are already obeying).
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Most people who voted to leave the EU knew perfectly well what they were voting for - cutting ALL ties with the EU bureaucracy. So let's get on with it and this so called hard Brexit. Quite why it should intimidate other European electorates into stifling their own discontent over the EU I'm not sure. Once these forces are unleashed they will not simply go back in the box and I'm sure none of our fellow Europeans will wish to be threatened into submission by this EU monolith. The EU is decaying slowly before our very eyes. The very fact that the EU think that the UK needs to be taught a lesson for daring to leave in order to keep the other nations in line just proves why the whole structure needs to go.
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The EU are quite right to say this. It's called taking a hard opening stance.
Where is the stiff upper lip and resolve in this country? All I hear is lily-livered fear mongering. Commerce always wins. The EU will cave. No doubt about it. |
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This is why the whole Parliament debate is pointless. Nothing can be decided until negotiations start because there are two sides. Negotiation can't start until Article triggered,
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The EU are quite right to say this. It's called taking a hard opening stance.
Anything else will weaken our position from the outset. |
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The UK Govt is doing such a good job it has managed to unite a generally fractious EU. How the heck did May manage to lose Poland and Ireland - the two countries with the most to lose from a hard Brexit?
Seems like the EU27 wants the UK out quickly, the UK will happily oblige. I wonder if Farage will manage to get a holiday visa to EU countries after all this.
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....... And this is the political union Remainers still want us to be a member of!
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....... And this is the political union Remainers still want us to be a member of!
![]() With Farage saying he may export his tricks to France, oddly enough the PTB are worried. Add in the rise of the far right in Germany, a host of crises than need a unified front and the UK vetoing plans for after it leaves, this was always a possibility. I'm offering my EU passport - er hand in marriage for the right price.
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The UK Govt is doing such a good job it has managed to unite a generally fractious EU. How the heck did May manage to lose Poland and Ireland - the two countries with the most to lose from a hard Brexit?
The hard part will come when talks start and half the EU agree and half don't. |
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Good. The harder the better.
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If we accepted all those rules then the Brexit vote would be negated. There is no "soft" Brexit option.
We did not vote to cut all ties with the EU, merely to stop being a member. |
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....... And this is the political union Remainers still want us to be a member of!
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It's the obvious starting point for all to agree, the EU don't want to start negotiations arguing amongst themselves before they even know what we want!
The hard part will come when talks start and half the EU agree and half don't. The article highlights the doublespeak by Johnson on Turkey, the Irish Govt has leaked about how they found UK Brexit ministers unreliable. Witness the ressurected border dispute which had not been brought up in border talks with Ireland the week before. Look at Fox, Johnson and Davies - they are not up for negotiating anything. The EU is probably just cutting its losses. Why spend two years talking when after a change of Govt the UK might not keep to the deal anyway? |
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-farage-le-pen
"European leaders have come to a 27-nation consensus that a “hard Brexit” is likely to be the only way to see off future populist insurgencies, which could lead to the break-up of the European Union." The PM surely won't back down on Border Controls (as she's already stated) so it seems very clear what's going to happen. Quote:
At the time of publication, European nationals had to show their IDs when entering or exiting the United Kingdom, Ireland, Cyprus, Bulgaria or Romania.
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A hard Brexit would mean the end of financial passporting and hence decimate London's financial hub - which accounts for around 20% of our GDP.
We had this debate before the referendum remember. All the warnings, all the scares and we still voted out. That decision must be respected, lets get the hell on with it, geez. |
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