Then there's Verhofstadt who claims he won't give us an easy time.

Everyone? No, just the UK.

There is no such thing as Remainers

This raises a point, which many are not aware of. That is, that Brexit is, and will be, a two stage process, that EU guidelines dictate have to occur sequentially.

The first stage is the exit. The withdrawal from the EU treaties, and the negotiations to tidy up on the loose ends, and consequences of the withdrawal, which IMO should take less than the allocated two years.

The second stage is the post exit UK EU relationship. The reconnections after exit. The trading relationship both in goods and services, and what restrictions will occur on the both way movement of people.

The exit, the first stage, must occur first, and that appears to be the primary goal of the EU. The second stage is will depend on both parties, but mainly on the UK as it reassess its future relationship with the EU.

The difficulties will occur in the void between the first, and second stages, post exit but before any formal agreement on trade or movement of people. This time period which could extend out to a number of years, will force EU UK trade into trading under WTO regulations, at considerable hardship, and disadvantage, to the current situation of full membership to the custom union, and single market.

But he also said recently he hasn't forgotten the 48% who voted to remain in the EU and doesn't want to see them punished for something that was out of their control.

No, he's annoying quite a few in Europe as well.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1098232.html

A pre-Brexit article means little now

Perhaps he should stick to pan-EU things and not comment on individual sectors of UK votes. For instance, would it be all right to say after the GE "Oh we in the EU don't forget XX% didn't vote Tory in the UK, we don't want to see them punished?"
He's just craftily fanning the flames with this "concern".

No, you said it would give them a mandate without Parliament being involved:

They should have all voted to leave.

Won't let us have our cake and eat it actually. All the benefits with none of the commitments ain't gonna happen is the message.

Unless you have some actual direct quote saying otherwise but I've found leavers always run and hide when challenged.

No I did not. I said:

Quote:
“Of course it would give them a mandate, they'd include the promise of Brexit in their manifesto with a big enough majority to overcome opposition from outside their own party whilst Tory dissenters to Brexit would need to adhere to the manifesto promise.”

Just for you, "enough majority" means they would win a Parliamentary vote.

Whereas for everyone else "enough majority" would suggest the election majority, given that the previous sentence effectively says "Of course it would give them a mandate [ to enact Article 50 "without Parliament being involved."]

That's why I quoted the post you were replying to.

The way its going La Pen will win next year.
Its just not sinking in with these people who live behind massive mansion walls
and get ferried from House/work daily. People are fedup of no control seeing communities they were brought up in being unrecognisable.

the more they keep wanting to make an example of the UK its just going to give Farage and others all the Ammo they need to prove the EU doesn't even want to change.
If La Pen does win. the EU is finished

Last EU elections they promised reforms must take place. Lasted all of a month and the review was dropped a year later Brexit won

If you are talking about my post, then the government can push through any promise in its manifesto and if one of those promises is to strike down the high court ruling and restore treaty making and breaking as an executive function including the triggering of A50, then they can do it without any challenge from the HoL.

That's the way election promises works.

No it isn't. No political party can promise to flout a court ruling in its manifesto, and if they tried it they would run foul of electoral law, and possibly also criminal law by openly stating an intent to commit contempt of court. Political parties can't even promise to pass laws in their manifestos, all they can do is promise to bring a bill to Parliament to try and get a law passed.

Yes they can promise it through a bill, which will be unchallenged in the HoL.

Once passed, they will be able to trigger A50 using executive function and the court will lose its ability to stop it or any future treaty related actions.

No they can't. Its the subject of a court order, don't you understand that? The only body who can over turn that ruling is the Supreme Court.

And what on earth would be the point of promising to bring a bill before Parliament to allow them to trigger Article 50 without bringing it before Parliament anyway? The debate on the bill would rapidly become a debate on Article 50, so why not just cut to the chase and bring a bill to Parliament to trigger Article 50?

warning project fear is in effect!

Better for it to be the UK choice rather than getting forced into it by EU goons punishing us.

But Hard Brexit is exactly what Leave supporters want isn't it? You make it sound like a bad thing!

Getting worried that maybe jumping off a cliff wasn't so clever?

Being 'forced' or 'pushed' into anything would be a misnomer. The EU would simply be denying Britain access to the Single Market (for refusing to sign up to its rules).

But there's not anywhere near a majority let alone a vast majority of tory MP's in the commons who supported Brexit let alone the sort of hard Brexit that only a small minority of voters who voted to leave the EU are so desperate to see.

Even a bigger tory majority in the commons as a result of a snap general election would be no guarantee of article 50 being passed after a commons vote. There could be even more Bremainer tory MP's elected to the commons in a snap general election.

This.

Remainers are the ones sabotaging us from getting a good deal with wanting to stay in the EU and not accept the result

I feel sorry for May, how can she unite people who don't want to be united??

How are they doing that?