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If you are talking about my post, then the government can push through any promise in its manifesto and if one of those promises is to strike down the high court ruling and restore treaty making and breaking as an executive function including the triggering of A50, then they can do it without any challenge from the HoL.
That's the way election promises works. |
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Whereas for everyone else "enough majority" would suggest the election majority, given that the previous sentence effectively says "Of course it would give them a mandate [ to enact Article 50 "without Parliament being involved."]
That's why I quoted the post you were replying to.
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But there's not anywhere near a majority let alone a vast majority of tory MP's in the commons who supported Brexit let alone the sort of hard Brexit that only a small minority of voters who voted to leave the EU are so desperate to see.
Even a bigger tory majority in the commons as a result of a snap general election would be no guarantee of article 50 being passed after a commons vote. There could be even more Bremainer tory MP's elected to the commons in a snap general election. The BIB is your conjecture, nothing more. |
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I love all this Wizard of Oz posturing by the know-nothing Brexiters. Sitting behind their computer screens with their stiff upper lips, and begging for the hardest of Brexits as quickly as possible. Like a road rage driver ranting and threatening, but with his windows closed and doors locked.
A hard Brexit will be devastating for this country's economy, so they will be very foolish indeed not to have a bolthole to hide in when it happens. The unemployed will not be in any mood to forgive and forget, |
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I love all this Wizard of Oz posturing by the know-nothing Brexiters. Sitting behind their computer screens with their stiff upper lips, and begging for the hardest of Brexits as quickly as possible. Like a road rage driver ranting and threatening, but with his windows closed and doors locked.
A hard Brexit will be devastating for this country's economy, so they will be very foolish indeed not to have a bolthole to hide in when it happens. The unemployed will not be in any mood to forgive and forget, |
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I love all this Wizard of Oz posturing by the know-nothing Brexiters. Sitting behind their computer screens with their stiff upper lips, and begging for the hardest of Brexits as quickly as possible. Like a road rage driver ranting and threatening, but with his windows closed and doors locked.
A hard Brexit will be devastating for this country's economy, so they will be very foolish indeed not to have a bolthole to hide in when it happens. The unemployed will not be in any mood to forgive and forget, Brilliant parody it fits perfectly particularly the yellow brick road scene, May as Judy Garland skipping down the whirly road, all the munchkin's being Brexiteers.... |
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The divide is making it hard for us to get a good deal
If remainers are truly British they would accept the result and want us to get the best deal |
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The divide is making it hard for us to get a good deal
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If remainers are truly British they would accept the result and want us to get the best deal
I expect most of them do.
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Brilliant parody it fits perfectly particularly the yellow brick road scene, May as Judy Garland skipping down the whirly road, all the munchkin's being Brexiteers....
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Are the remainers Dorothy's traveling companions, who are desperately seeking a brain, a heart and some courage ?
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Are the remainers Dorothy's traveling companions, who are desperately seeking a brain, a heart and some courage ?
On Wednesday, Philip Hammond is going to tell you that you have voted to make yourself poorer. Philip Hammond is a decent and reasonable man. A careful man. He is not even going to come close to saying that Brexiteers are Thick or Stupid. |
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[quote=andykn;84631971]What did he actually say?[/QUOTE]
This: http://heatst.com/world/eu-chief-jea...xit-deserters/ |
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Lol - yet another 'Wizard of Oz' prophesy - from Wonder Man - the Wizard Master himself !! How is it that the majority of countries manage to survive without being in the EU? ---surely that must be considered the 'eighth wonder' of the world!!
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Are the remainers Dorothy's traveling companions, who are desperately seeking a brain, a heart and some courage ?
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The divide is making it hard for us to get a good deal
If remainers are truly British they would accept the result and want us to get the best deal |
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The Conservatives have a majority now but it's too thin to be sure of taking a bill through. That was the context of going for a general election to increase their majority in Parliament. Mind you, they might well struggle now Blair says he may throw his hat into the ring...
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If Labour stood on a platform of soft Brexit then the Tories may well lose.
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A platform made of soft Brexit? Sounds a bit dodgy for anyone to stand on!
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Lol - yet another 'Wizard of Oz' prophesy - from Wonder Man - the Wizard Master himself !! How is it that the majority of countries manage to survive without being in the EU? ---surely that must be considered the 'eighth wonder' of the world!!
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The divide is making it hard for us to get a good deal
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A platform made of soft Brexit? Sounds a bit dodgy for anyone to stand on!
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Oohher I can feel a risk assessment coming on
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Oohher I can feel a risk assessment coming on
![]() ![]() Especially if it's Tom Watson. Contrary to what the usual mob believe, fighting an election on soft Brexit would be a very good strategy. Wouldn't compensate for the prospect of PM Corbyn, however. |
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I don't want to "survive" like the "majority of countries" do. I want to prosper and be the world's 5th largest economy, not just some "surviving" also ran.
It is EU membership, and in particular, the ridiculous premature adoption of the common currency that has ruined Greece, Spain, Portugal etc....albeit, those East European countries are now quids in!! Most of those 'surviving' economies are far healthier than the EU 'sad' cases. Why do you consider it necessary to belong to a Political Union to enjoy economic improvement??? Trade is the key - and outside of the EU, the UK will be able to make trade deals to suit our own specific requirements. Incidentally - Brexit means LEAVING THE EU - which by definition, means getting out of the Single Market. The ensuing basis of trade has yet to be negotiated and agreed. It is very unlikely to result in tariff free access - but it could result in better than MFN tariffs............but nobody knows at this point in time - and that includes all you doom-mongers.......and we do KNOW that the basis of trade will at LEAST be based on the globally common form of trade - with the potential for the UK to agree tariff - free trade with far more countries than the 'other 27' - such as the 52 other Commonwealth countries for instance.... |
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No, what's making it hard for us to get a good deal is the Brexit expectation of having our cake and eating it, the thought we can get the benefits with none of the commitments,
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It is very unlikely to result in tariff free access - but it could result in better than MFN tariffs............but nobody knows at this point in time - and that includes all you doom-mongers.......and we do KNOW that the basis of trade will at LEAST be based on the globally common form of trade - with the potential for the UK to agree tariff - free trade with far more countries than the 'other 27' - such as the 52 other Commonwealth countries for instance....
https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...ace-in-both--2 I don't know why you keep repeating the lie that leaving the EU means leaving the single market. That is plainly untrue. Not that truth ever played any role in Brexit Land. |
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