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Old 21-11-2016, 15:07
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Pure nonsense - it isn't a matter of 'having our cake and eating it' - subsidising the EU merely to be allowed mutual tariff free trade with them is no cake at all!
You'd prefer to have no cake at all.

Paranoid garbage.
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:11
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I love all this Wizard of Oz posturing by the know-nothing Brexiters. Sitting behind their computer screens with their stiff upper lips, and begging for the hardest of Brexits as quickly as possible. Like a road rage driver ranting and threatening, but with his windows closed and doors locked.

A hard Brexit will be devastating for this country's economy, so they will be very foolish indeed not to have a bolthole to hide in when it happens. The unemployed will not be in any mood to forgive and forget,
The King of Project Fear You are
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:12
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Have a read of this, which reveals what a fantasy believing that the Commonwealth can anyway replace the EU trade is.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...ace-in-both--2

I don't know why you keep repeating the lie that leaving the EU means leaving the single market. That is plainly untrue. Not that truth ever played any role in Brexit Land.

But the Leader of Remain, Cameron, kept telling us all this. Here he is on the Andrew Marr show saying: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.”
http://www.politico.eu/article/david...equences-news/
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:20
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The King of Project Fear You are
I'm flattered.

Thankyou kindly.
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:21
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But the Leader of Remain, Cameron, kept telling us all this. Here he is on the Andrew Marr show saying: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.”
http://www.politico.eu/article/david...equences-news/
Couldn't give a toss what Cameron said. He's dead to me.

Norway is in the single market with FOM. Is it in the EU?
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:23
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But the Leader of Remain, Cameron, kept telling us all this. Here he is on the Andrew Marr show saying: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.”
http://www.politico.eu/article/david...equences-news/
Remainers just got Owned LOL

In the days of social media, you can't cover the Remain lies !
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:40
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Couldn't give a toss what Cameron said. He's dead to me.

Norway is in the single market with FOM. Is it in the EU?
But you said: "I don't know why you keep repeating the lie that leaving the EU means leaving the single market. That is plainly untrue. Not that truth ever played any role in Brexit Land."

So I explained it's because that's what Remain told the voters. It's their lie.
Cameron may be dead to you, but as the PM who staged the referendum that's what he told the electorate.
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:47
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I'm flattered.

Thankyou kindly.
I bet you soil yourself when you get one of those emails that say your apple/paypal security needs updating or your account will be suspended.
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:52
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But you said: "I don't know why you keep repeating the lie that leaving the EU means leaving the single market. That is plainly untrue. Not that truth ever played any role in Brexit Land."

So I explained it's because that's what Remain told the voters. It's their lie.
Cameron may be dead to you, but as the PM who staged the referendum that's what he told the electorate.
Don't insult my intelligence.

I sat through the same referendum campaign as you did. I witnessed Leave giving all sorts of recipes for Brexit. Yes, occasionally some said we would probably have to leave the single market - usually only when pushed after pretending we could have it all ways. I lost count of the times it was said "there won't be trade barriers - we buy too many BMWs etc, etc".

What DC said on one occasion is neither here nor there. It doesn't change anything. It is a lie to say we cannot be in the single market if we leave the EU.
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:53
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I bet you soil yourself when you get one of those emails that say your apple/paypal security needs updating or your account will be suspended.
Classy.
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:53
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Probably because they are not located in Europe and find it more sensible to trade with their closest neighbours.
Really?? Are you seriously claiming that the UK didn't trade with the EU before the political union was formed????? How surprising!
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:53
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I bet you soil yourself when you get one of those emails that say your apple/paypal security needs updating or your account will be suspended.
Are you ill or something? I'd seek advice if I were you.
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Old 21-11-2016, 15:57
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You'd prefer to have no cake at all.

Paranoid garbage.
Well at least you now seem to realise that you post paranoid garbage - but, but you are still unable to use that grey matter apparently, as we would clearly have the best part of a £billion's worth of 'cake' every month!! - AND, as a bonus, make our own choice in deciding what cake we wish to purchase.
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Old 21-11-2016, 16:05
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Probably because they are not located in Europe and find it more sensible to trade with their closest neighbours.
And yet the majority of our trade is NOT effected with our immediate neighbours! How nonsensical of us!!
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Old 21-11-2016, 16:10
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Well at least you now seem to realise that you post paranoid garbage - but, but you are still unable to use that grey matter apparently, as we would clearly have the best part of a £billion's worth of 'cake' every month!! - AND, as a bonus, make our own choice in deciding what cake we wish to purchase.
Lol, literally.

A billion a month! How gullible can any one person be? Wait till Uncle Phil tells us all just how much Brexit is going to cost us in the Autumn Statement. A billion "saving" will melt away like a snowflake hitting a barbeque.

You obviously have no grey matter to engage.
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Old 21-11-2016, 16:12
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I don't want to "survive" like the "majority of countries" do. I want to prosper and be the world's 5th largest economy, not just some "surviving" also ran.
For the Brexiters, that's the first step before going higher.
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Old 21-11-2016, 16:15
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If remainers are truly British they would accept the result and want us to get the best deal

There was a bit sore loser thingy in the days after, however, it's now more holding Government accountable in their decisions. And some partisan politics at play, the Tories never like opposition, they always cry foul but it's how British democracy works, always been this way.
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Old 21-11-2016, 16:16
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If Labour stood on a platform of soft Brexit then the Tories may well lose.
Hardly committing yourself, are you. Labour would have no chance.
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Old 21-11-2016, 16:21
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Are the remainers Dorothy's traveling companions, who are desperately seeking a brain, a heart and some courage ?
No we don't feature in the concussed dream part, strangely!
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Old 21-11-2016, 16:23
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For the Brexiters, that's the first step before going higher.
Ha ha ha!

You know that thanks to Brexit, we're already 6th?

7th, 8th, 9th, 10th in no time once we're out.
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Old 21-11-2016, 16:30
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Have a read of this, which reveals what a fantasy believing that the Commonwealth can anyway replace the EU trade is.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...ace-in-both--2

I don't know why you keep repeating the lie that leaving the EU means leaving the single market. That is plainly untrue. Not that truth ever played any role in Brexit Land.
Lol -m A Parliamentary 'Wizard of Oz' no less - who, just like you and I, cannot see into the future. Perhaps he hasn't realised that several approaches from Commonwealth countries have already been made. However, instead of continuing to spout your unadulterated garbage, try showing how the UK had previously suffered because of NOT being in the soviet styled EU?? - and WHY a political union is required to generate economic growth for its members.
You don't endeavour to provide any credible evidence to support your output of garbage - obviously, because being garbage, you cannot.
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Old 21-11-2016, 16:45
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Lol -m A Parliamentary 'Wizard of Oz' no less - who, just like you and I, cannot see into the future. Perhaps he hasn't realised that several approaches from Commonwealth countries have already been made. However, instead of continuing to spout your unadulterated garbage, try showing how the UK had previously suffered because of NOT being in the soviet styled EU?? - and WHY a political union is required to generate economic growth for its members.
You don't endeavour to provide any credible evidence to support your output of garbage - obviously, because being garbage, you cannot.
I am by now well versed in the capacity for understanding and computation of facts by Brexiters, which is why it's so wearisome trying to get through to you people.

Firstly, we were in a TERRIBLE state before we joined the EU. Our economic malaise was the very reason we joined in the first place. It's unusual to find a Brexiter young enough not to have lived through those times, but maybe you are one of them. It was because we relied on the Commonwealth that we didn't bother to invest. They unquestioningly bought our crap, and we thought that would pertain forever.

We are now in a different world.

That you seem to believe we can replace the lost trade with the EU by striking a deal with St Lucia and Vanatu is more tragic than comedic.
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Old 21-11-2016, 16:58
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Really? Then you should wish to get out of the 'declining' EU - whose share of the global economy has been declining for decades now.
Ah, back to "developing countries are developing" shocker. Great reason to leave the EU.
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Old 21-11-2016, 17:02
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Pure nonsense - it isn't a matter of 'having our cake and eating it' - subsidising the EU merely to be allowed mutual tariff free trade with them is no cake at all!
Maybe not, but we get more than that, a single market.
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Old 21-11-2016, 17:06
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Really?? Are you seriously claiming that the UK didn't trade with the EU before the political union was formed????? How surprising!
Not as much, it sold more cars, TVs and hi-fis to places like Australia and New Zealand, but that trade had been declining for decades.

So unless you are saying we should try and go back to that (even though they are now trading with nearer neighbours) the increased trade we no do with the EU should not be impeded.
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