Precisely! The EU is faced with rising scepticism in a number of countries, the UK vote being the most dramatic example. What EU leaders should be doing is asking themselves why so many in so many countries are turning against EU membership, and seeking out the changes that would make people want to be part of the Union. Instead they threaten all the people of EU countries with dire consequences if they leave.
"Obey us, the masters of the EU and your lives, or we'll make you regret it!" What a message to send to the people!

The eu is owned by power mad nut jobs

Trouble is many EU governments, the Parliament, the Commission and the ECB have all shown they are implacably opposed to accountability.

Lol - even immediately prior to WW2 the UK was not No1 ---- and as I said, we were 4th in 1960.....we might have reached that position occasionally whilst in the EU - for more the most part we have been lower than that.
Of course we joined the EEC to help improve our economy....that is also why the subsequent additional members joined too! But the majority of member states are still being subsidised by fools like us, who are prepared to pay a fortune for the privilege of trading with the 'club'.
But, maybe you can tell us why we need to be in a political union to effect economic growth?

SANK to 6th!!!!! The vas majority of countries would love to be 6th.

So what?? Brexit has nothing to do with them.

Of course there is a non-EU market - it certainly isn't a single market like the EU - as the majority of countries outside of the EU negotiate their own trade deals - with their own trade interests best represented. On the other hand - all EU member states have their trade deals negotiated by the EU.


So is inflation - but the EU trade PORTION of our total trade is DECREASING.....despite being tariff free.

see above.


You just continue to highlight your ignorance by failing to see the relevance of a declining trade portion within an increasing trade volume!

This is what all county's should do .

The talk is that Britain can ditch the EU and start trading with Commonwealth countries instead : many of whom were completely opposed to Brexit and think it may hurt their own economies.

http://thecommonwealth.org/media/pre...nwealth-states

Why would we put tariffs on Commonwealth countries. The whole point is being tariff free where possible. It sounds like scaremongering.

Tariffs would clearly apply in the case of a hard Brexit - but that may well happen, who knows?

Why would they clearly apply if we didn't want to.

For them not to apply, the UK would have to have some form of free trade deal with these countries but that couldn't come into place 24 hours after Britain leaves the EU. That's what some of the Commonwealth countries would be very worried about.

I can't see any reason why free trade deals can't be negotiated before Brexit that can come into effect the day we leave the EU. It doen't have to take long.

| bet there is some Stupid rule in the eu rule book that stop any country that dares go out of eu from do Anything that will benefit the exiting country .As no country should want out and all country's should want even more integration until they do not have an identity of themselves. eu does not like individuality, all they wanted is a hive mind

That is exactly the case. You cannot negotiate new trade deals while you are still in the EU, you can only do so after you have left ie. at the end of the process.

But in any event, why would they do anything to 'help' countries leave the union and make it as easy as possible? That would be a recipe for disaster.

OK then by default we would maintain what is currently in place until a new deal is reached so they wouldn't be any worse off. Then we give them a free trade deal which should be pretty much sign on the dotted line.

I am pretty sure that some unofficial talks would be taking place in the meantime to make it pretty straightforward when the time comes.

And if we did brek the rules what are they going to do? Kick us out?

Impose a fine.

Yes, but 48% of the country would seize a sell out and it only takes a few of the rest to decide they're bright enough to recognise a reasonable compromise is not a sell out any more than there was ever going to be 350m for the NHS and job done.

I don't have to know anything to see you're blaming bad things in the EU on the EU and bad things outside the EU on anything but not being in the EU.

The simple fact is we were declining relatively until we joined the EU and have relatively maintained our position since we joined despite competition from larger developing countries.

Liar again. I've explained it many times, the relevance is that developing countries are developing so, whilst our EU exports are increasing nicely thank you, our non EU exports are increasing faster as some of those markets are developing countries, some of which we exploit thanks to EU agreements.

You keep desperately trying to present what is almost an inevitability as some sort of bizarre criticism of the EU. But it's just not significant that our exports to markets (plural, note) some of which are developing countries like China, are increasing faster than to a market that is more mature in terms of development. This is really elementary.

Maybe you could point out the 'disastrous' economic decline as indicated by the UK's historical GDP growth statistics prior to our entry into the EEC in 1973.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...growth-economy

If Guardian agrees, then it will be the hard Brexit.

Well Australia and New Zealand have already made positive initial approaches - as has India, and outside of the EU, WE can negotiate trade deals with the majority of countries of non - EU countries - not just those in the Commonwealth......WITHOUT having to pay for it, OR adopting yet another tier of governance, and an undemocratic one undemocratic at that!

Er, you need to ask the person whose "disastrous" you are quoting.