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As has been pointed out to you countless times, we will be able to agree our own trading deals, with our own interests uppermost - unlike the current situation - and without requiring to be a member of an undemocratic political union, an actually have to increase our national debt in order to subsidise it.
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'And the costs clearly outweigh the benefits wrt the taxpayer. Of course Businesses dealing with Europe benefit, as a result of the taxpayer paying the bill for tariff free access - yet those businesses which don't deal with the EU, ( the vast majority), get saddled with unnecessary regulations.
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There is no benefit derived by the majority of the people from membership of the EU - which is why the referendum result was what it was. other than that most important of factors, of facilitating the taking of EU holidays. How can we clearly export more of anything to anywhere than we do now? What agreement can we sign that will help us to export more of what to where?You keep bleating on asininely , about what products could be more easily exported outside of the EU - and clearly the answer is MORE of ALL of them - because the 'market outside of the EU is much greater, as is the potential for the UK to make it's own preferential trade agreements. It's that obvious yet you can't even name ONE! Farcical. |
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I just read of the increase in homelessness in Ireland, of the deaths caused by cuts to it's health service, and more hardship. Ireland is short of cash, but still, every month, it pays money, with interest, to investors who bought bonds in Ireland's banks, because the EU ordered it to.
How much would the health service have to be cut if the Irish Govt had defaulted and couldn't borrow any more money on the international bond markets? |
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No, it doesn't. Nor does it mean there will magically be anywhere we can export more of anything to either.
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And what leads you to that conclusion? What do you think the deficit will be over the next few years and why.
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You sure? Or just because defaulting on your debts when you are running large deficit and are totally reliant on external funding would be catastrophic?
How much would the health service have to be cut if the Irish Govt had defaulted and couldn't borrow any more money on the international bond markets? |
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The problem with been in or out of eu is we are damned if we do damned if we don't.
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The problem with been in or out of eu is we are damned if we do damned if we don't.
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But not by abandoning out biggest, We are exploiting developing markets quite well from within the EU anyway. No-one can tell me how leaving helps with developing markets, what can we export more of to where once outside the EU.
The point you seem to missing, or glossing over, is that the EU is simultaneously growing and declining and the two are interconnected. It's monetary value is growing but its share of world trade is declining. If this situation continues monetary growth will stall and slip into recession so it makes sense to loosen our links with the EU to avoid being pulled into recession. That said, given the current legal uncertainties we are unlikely to be able loosen our ties with the EU very much and if the coice is hard brexit or no brexit we are staying because the former will never survive parliamentary scrutiny. |
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We're damned because, as Farage has said, this government isn't up to the job of handling Brexit.
God knows what will happen, but its what was voted for, so it must be right no matter what. Thats democracy, innit. |
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I only asked one question and it's nice to see you've corrected your lie about abandoning.
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Past performance, and to answer your second question, I don't know any more than you or any more than Hammond and he doesn't know anymore than me though he may no more than you. None of us know what's going to happen next week, let alone next month or next year, especially while they're fluffing around with Brexit.
You know less than these people yet still you think they're wrong. |
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No matter how you care to dress it up, the amounts of money owed by the world's nations is a direct result of the lack of ability of the world's administrations.
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It seems like the politicians are trying so hard not to deliver Brexit. In the end, UK will remain in the EU as they don't seem to want to trigger the Article 50
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I never said we should, I said we should focus more on the developing markets.
The point you seem to missing, or glossing over, is that the EU is simultaneously growing and declining and the two are interconnected. It's monetary value is growing but its share of world trade is declining. If this situation continues monetary growth will stall and slip into recession Quote:
so it makes sense to loosen our links with the EU to avoid being pulled into recession. It's "loosening our ties" with our biggest export market by far that's the most likely thing that will pull us into recession.
That said, given the current legal uncertainties we are unlikely to be able loosen our ties with the EU very much and if the coice is hard brexit or no brexit we are staying because the former will never survive parliamentary scrutiny. |
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It seems like the politicians are trying so hard not to deliver Brexit. In the end, UK will remain in the EU as they don't seem to want to trigger the Article 50
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[quote=andykn;84674245]The gun is firmly pointed at the foot yet they don't want to pull the trigger, funny that.[/QUOTE]
When 'we' are ready, then A50 will be activated, hopefully by March 2017... |
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That's simply not true. Just because developing countries are developing says nothing about the state of the still growing EU and our still growing exports to it.
It's "loosening our ties" with our biggest export market by far that's the most likely thing that will pull us into recession. The key word was loosening, though I'm not sure what you think I meant. |
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Knowledge isn't binary, it in't either we know for definite or we know nothing.
You know less than these people yet still you think they're wrong. |
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Or the greed of those voting them in every time.
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Perhaps you could tell the people which bunch of politicians will deliver the goods.
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Whoever you can persuade enough others to select.
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The problem with your last sentence is that we all see and experience and failures resulting from these failed and failing experts. Why else would we be in so much debt?
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OK, got it, you don't have a clue.
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Or the greed of those voting them in every time.
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Perhaps you could tell the people which bunch of politicians will deliver the goods.
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Er, you're the one asking how democracy works. You don't like the result, you do something about it, don't just expect everyone else to want what you do.
Off for a while to do something worthwhile.
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The problem with your last sentence is that we all see and experience and failures resulting from these failed and failing experts. Why else would we be in so much debt?
If your answer is to smash worldwide parliamentary democracy (because dictatorships, military juntas Nigel Farrage and the Donald are and will be so much batter at handling trade deficits etc after all...), it must have been a very strange question... |
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