But you've been repeatedly unable to show any specific benefit to the UK from being able to negotiate our own trad deals. No existing EU deal that can be improved on for the benefit of the UK nor any product or service we can export any more of to any country with the right deal,

Name one "unnecessary regulation"

How can we clearly export more of anything to anywhere than we do now? What agreement can we sign that will help us to export more of what to where?

It's that obvious yet you can't even name ONE!

Farcical.

You sure? Or just because defaulting on your debts when you are running large deficit and are totally reliant on external funding would be catastrophic?

How much would the health service have to be cut if the Irish Govt had defaulted and couldn't borrow any more money on the international bond markets?

I only asked one question and it's nice to see you've corrected your lie about abandoning.

Past performance, and to answer your second question, I don't know any more than you or any more than Hammond and he doesn't know anymore than me though he may no more than you. None of us know what's going to happen next week, let alone next month or next year, especially while they're fluffing around with Brexit.

No matter how you care to dress it up, the amounts of money owed by the world's nations is a direct result of the lack of ability of the world's administrations.

The problem with been in or out of eu is we are damned if we do damned if we don't.

We're damned because, as Farage has said, this government isn't up to the job of handling Brexit.

I never said we should, I said we should focus more on the developing markets.
The point you seem to missing, or glossing over, is that the EU is simultaneously growing and declining and the two are interconnected. It's monetary value is growing but its share of world trade is declining. If this situation continues monetary growth will stall and slip into recession so it makes sense to loosen our links with the EU to avoid being pulled into recession.
That said, given the current legal uncertainties we are unlikely to be able loosen our ties with the EU very much and if the coice is hard brexit or no brexit we are staying because the former will never survive parliamentary scrutiny.

I think we will eventually just fall out of the EU at the end of the two years with nothing agreed.
God knows what will happen, but its what was voted for, so it must be right no matter what. Thats democracy, innit.

The talk was of focus, keep up.

Knowledge isn't binary, it in't either we know for definite or we know nothing.

You know less than these people yet still you think they're wrong.

Or the greed of those voting them in every time.

It seems like the politicians are trying so hard not to deliver Brexit. In the end, UK will remain in the EU as they don't seem to want to trigger the Article 50

That's simply not true. Just because developing countries are developing says nothing about the state of the still growing EU and our still growing exports to it.

It's "loosening our ties" with our biggest export market by far that's the most likely thing that will pull us into recession.

The gun is firmly pointed at the foot yet they don't want to pull the trigger, funny that.

[quote=andykn;84674245]The gun is firmly pointed at the foot yet they don't want to pull the trigger, funny that.[/QUOTE]

When 'we' are ready, then A50 will be activated, hopefully by March 2017...

I'm afraid it is because if the EU continues to lose market share eventually it won't be doing enough external trade to maintain growth.

The key word was loosening, though I'm not sure what you think I meant.

The problem with your last sentence is that we all see and experience and failures resulting from these failed and failing experts. Why else would we be in so much debt?

Perhaps you could tell the people which bunch of politicians will deliver the goods.

Whoever you can persuade enough others to select.

OK, got it, you don't have a clue.

Because we chose that path. We want those schools and hospitals and are prepared to borrow to buy them. Just as many people will borrow to buy a house or car.

Er, you're the one asking how democracy works. You don't like the result, you do something about it, don't just expect everyone else to want what you do.

There, Andykins, I've reproduced the posts that led up to your preposterous answer. I never asked how democracy works, nor did I imply anything about how democracy works.

Off for a while to do something worthwhile.

And your solution is what; to hand the reigns to a bunch of dustmen, bar staff and old age pensioners (no offence intended to any of the above)?

If your answer is to smash worldwide parliamentary democracy (because dictatorships, military juntas Nigel Farrage and the Donald are and will be so much batter at handling trade deficits etc after all...), it must have been a very strange question...