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Old 25-11-2016, 14:40
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That was indeed a clue, but not one I can find containing your "Any cucumbers that are curvier may not be bought or sold." fact.

So I was hoping you could provide one.
How typically pedantic of you to query the specifics!! You requested an example of a needless EU regulation - and I provided one. Irrespective of whether the dimensions I provided are accurate, the prohibition of sale by retailers of so called 'abnormal' curvature bananas IS FACTUAL - and caused quite a stir amongst retailers.
So much so, that a few years later it was repealed, enabling Imperfectly shaped bananas, (and vegetables), to again be sold by retailers.
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Old 25-11-2016, 15:23
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How typically pedantic of you to query the specifics!! You requested an example of a needless EU regulation - and I provided one. Irrespective of whether the dimensions I provided are accurate, the prohibition of sale by retailers of so called 'abnormal' curvature bananas IS FACTUAL - and caused quite a stir amongst retailers.
So much so, that a few years later it was repealed, enabling Imperfectly shaped bananas, (and vegetables), to again be sold by retailers.
Er, dimensions? I wanted to know where the phrase you quoted "Any cucumbers that are curvier may not be bought or sold." came from because I couldn't find it in any copy of the standard I could find.

The standard itself was requested by the industry.

So as it's repealed there's absolutely no benefit to be had there from leaving.
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Old 25-11-2016, 22:22
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That was a disgraceful episode and should never happened. The ECB were bang out of order and acting like bullies. Interestingly though, it didn't turn Irish people against the EU : they took a pragmatic approach and decided that bad things sometimes happen in life and there's not much point in looking for scapegoats.
How times change. A century ago Irish people fought a war to gain independence, but now they meekly accept the tyranny of the bankers and ECB.
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Old 25-11-2016, 22:24
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The ECB is still there and, along with the EU, the IMF, the Bank of International Settlements, the Rothschilds and Goldman Sachs, all wanting their last ounce of flesh, at the end of the day, served by politicians including a bagful of Irish ones.
I'm in agreement with that.
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Old 26-11-2016, 08:09
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How times change. A century ago Irish people fought a war to gain independence, but now they meekly accept the tyranny of the bankers and ECB.
Irish people see that on balance the EU is a good thing. The Troika and the hardships that followed were accepted grudgingly as people knew they had a part in what happened.

They didn't blame international banksters or cosmopolitan elites for the dire situation the country was in post 2008.
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Old 26-11-2016, 10:40
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Er, dimensions? I wanted to know where the phrase you quoted "Any cucumbers that are curvier may not be bought or sold." came from because I couldn't find it in any copy of the standard I could find.

The standard itself was requested by the industry.

So as it's repealed there's absolutely no benefit to be had there from leaving.
Reading back through the posts I don't think it was a quote from the regulations but rather a statement of the actual effect of the regulations had.
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Old 26-11-2016, 11:43
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Er, dimensions? I wanted to know where the phrase you quoted "Any cucumbers that are curvier may not be bought or sold." came from because I couldn't find it in any copy of the standard I could find.

The standard itself was requested by the industry.

So as it's repealed there's absolutely no benefit to be had there from leaving.
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Old 26-11-2016, 11:53
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They are calling our bluff and sadly we don't have a Leader/PM who is strong enough, she seems to be too nice wanting to please everyone. That will be her downfall/flaw as I did like a lot of what she said when she became PM.. but typical Tory - no action or backbone/spine..

Trump would tell them" bring it !" and say he isn't backing down.. all you get from May is nice quotes about democracy and "negotiating".. while the EU are very aggressive to us and treating us like rubbish..
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Old 26-11-2016, 12:56
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I have, that doesn't support the quote at all. I want to know where Holmes got that quote from that he told us twice was in the Standard.
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Old 26-11-2016, 12:57
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They are calling our bluff and sadly we don't have a Leader/PM who is strong enough, she seems to be too nice wanting to please everyone. That will be her downfall/flaw as I did like a lot of what she said when she became PM.. but typical Tory - no action or backbone/spine..

Trump would tell them" bring it !" and say he isn't backing down.. all you get from May is nice quotes about democracy and "negotiating".. while the EU are very aggressive to us and treating us like rubbish..
No they're not, don't be daft. All they're doing is pointing out we can't have our cake and eat it, have all the benefits of membership and none of the commitments.
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Old 26-11-2016, 13:00
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Reading back through the posts I don't think it was a quote from the regulations but rather a statement of the actual effect of the regulations had.
But that's not true, they could still be traded.
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Old 26-11-2016, 14:22
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But that's not true, they could still be traded.
Yes, but in practice they usually were not traded.

On an aside if you arre looking for a scapegoat for brexit look no further than the UK Civil Service.
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Old 27-11-2016, 22:01
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Irish people see that on balance the EU is a good thing. The Troika and the hardships that followed were accepted grudgingly as people knew they had a part in what happened.

They didn't blame international banksters or cosmopolitan elites for the dire situation the country was in post 2008.
The ones I speak to do, and so they should! And the EU. What gave them the right to order Ireland's people to hand over 70 billion eoros to the likes of the Rothschild family? Though it is a fact that the Irish have accepted their servitude very meekly, unlike in some other countries.
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Old 27-11-2016, 22:05
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-farage-le-pen

"European leaders have come to a 27-nation consensus that a “hard Brexit” is likely to be the only way to see off future populist insurgencies, which could lead to the break-up of the European Union."

There may not be any negotiations yet but it seems the EU's stance is now hardening as the triggering of Article50 is nearing, The EU president (whoever that is?) already told us it was 'Hard Brexit or no Brexit' and it seems the 27 have now all signed up to this plan of thought too.

The PM surely won't back down on Border Controls (as she's already stated) so it seems very clear what's going to happen.
They gave Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece a hard remain!
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Old 27-11-2016, 22:41
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The ones I speak to do, and so they should! And the EU. What gave them the right to order Ireland's people to hand over 70 billion eoros to the likes of the Rothschild family? Though it is a fact that the Irish have accepted their servitude very meekly, unlike in some other countries.
The Irish public were quite pragmatic, decided the situation was a mess but their main priority was to get the country out of it quickly rather than settling scores with the EU.
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Old 27-11-2016, 22:45
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-farage-le-pen

"European leaders have come to a 27-nation consensus that a “hard Brexit” is likely to be the only way to see off future populist insurgencies, which could lead to the break-up of the European Union."

There may not be any negotiations yet but it seems the EU's stance is now hardening as the triggering of Article50 is nearing, The EU president (whoever that is?) already told us it was 'Hard Brexit or no Brexit' and it seems the 27 have now all signed up to this plan of thought too.

The PM surely won't back down on Border Controls (as she's already stated) so it seems very clear what's going to happen.
Let's get on with it and stop farting about !
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Old 27-11-2016, 23:12
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The ones I speak to do, and so they should! And the EU. What gave them the right to order Ireland's people to hand over 70 billion eoros to the likes of the Rothschild family? Though it is a fact that the Irish have accepted their servitude very meekly, unlike in some other countries.
The fact that the Irish people had borrowed that money and had to pay it back if they wanted to borrow some more? Wouldn't you insist on that if someone owed you money?
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Old 27-11-2016, 23:21
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The fact that the Irish people had borrowed that money and had to pay it back if they wanted to borrow some more? Wouldn't you insist on that if someone owed you money?
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Old 27-11-2016, 23:35
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The ones I speak to do, and so they should! And the EU. What gave them the right to order Ireland's people to hand over 70 billion eoros to the likes of the Rothschild family? Though it is a fact that the Irish have accepted their servitude very meekly, unlike in some other countries.
The EU didn't order them and has no power to do so.

Think about it.

EU: Ireland, we order you have to pay x amount of money.
Ireland: No, we won't and you have no power under the EU Treaties to do so.
EU: Yes, we do and we'll take you to the CJEU if you won't pay.
Ireland: Fine, do so. We're holding a press conference to announce we won't pay in twenty minutes and our refusal to pay will be a fait accompli by the time the court gets round to ruling on our case in two years time.

Seriously short of invading a country and holding them at gunpoint you can't force a country to pay anyone anything.
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Old 28-11-2016, 07:13
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The ones I speak to do, and so they should! And the EU. What gave them the right to order Ireland's people to hand over 70 billion eoros to the likes of the Rothschild family? Though it is a fact that the Irish have accepted their servitude very meekly, unlike in some other countries.
Hmmm, tell me more.
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Old 28-11-2016, 07:35
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The EU didn't order them and has no power to do so.

Think about it.

EU: Ireland, we order you have to pay x amount of money.
Ireland: No, we won't and you have no power under the EU Treaties to do so.
EU: Yes, we do and we'll take you to the CJEU if you won't pay.
Ireland: Fine, do so. We're holding a press conference to announce we won't pay in twenty minutes and our refusal to pay will be a fait accompli by the time the court gets round to ruling on our case in two years time.

Seriously short of invading a country and holding them at gunpoint you can't force a country to pay anyone anything.
Good ho, we'll stop making our EU contributions and VAT payments, forthwith.....and Greece an other countries will be delighted to hear your news.
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Old 28-11-2016, 07:36
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Do you mean you don't know who the Rothschild family are?
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Old 28-11-2016, 08:00
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Do you mean you don't know who the Rothschild family are?
I've heard of them. I'm just curious as to why they needed a special mention, that's all.
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Old 28-11-2016, 08:04
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Trump would tell them" bring it !" and say he isn't backing down.. all you get from May is nice quotes about democracy and "negotiating".. while the EU are very aggressive to us and treating us like rubbish..
Trump has changed his mind on virtually every issue since winning the election and he hasn't even taken the oath of office yet.
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Old 28-11-2016, 08:10
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I've heard of them. I'm just curious as to why they needed a special mention, that's all.
Because the virtually control the world's finances. Google is your friend.
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