Soft Brexit or hard Brexit we will still be outside the EU ..... and that is significant for the following reason. If it turns out not to work in the view of the electorate, future governments will be free to seek to change the arrangements, given a mandate that is. As long as we remained in the EU we had to like or lump what we got.
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Originally Posted by John146:
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And, how do you know all this?, neither Ms May or any of her Brexit team have mentioned anything which we or the EU will accept during negotiations”
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And, how do you know all this?, neither Ms May or any of her Brexit team have mentioned anything which we or the EU will accept during negotiations”
This is not a controversial or adversarial question, but do you run your own business?
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“This is not a controversial or adversarial question, but do you run your own business?”
“This is not a controversial or adversarial question, but do you run your own business?”
No I am retired....
Good we shouldn't want any ties with the EU the dictatorship is becoming increasingly hostile towards us. We have other countries to trade with
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“Have you ever done so?”
“Have you ever done so?”
No, I worked for the Post Office/BT for 40 years...
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“I am a member of a gym chain which offers up to 8 different membership types with different access rights and costs.
Of course it's possible to tailor different arrangements - hence the opt outs Ireland the UK and Denmark have on Schengen etc and bar Ireland the euro. It's not impossible it already happens!”
“I am a member of a gym chain which offers up to 8 different membership types with different access rights and costs.
Of course it's possible to tailor different arrangements - hence the opt outs Ireland the UK and Denmark have on Schengen etc and bar Ireland the euro. It's not impossible it already happens!”
Well the membership types in the EU are very limited and freedom of movement is a core rule of the Single Market that applies to all. The Swiss have been making noises about ending freedom of movement, but the EU have already told them if they try that, they can't have access to the market.
Originally Posted by John146:
“No, I worked for the Post Office/BT for 40 years...”
“No, I worked for the Post Office/BT for 40 years...”
Thank you.
I take it from your answer that you have never had to negotiate a business deal where millions are at stake?
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“Thank you.
I take it from your answer that you have never had to negotiate a business deal where millions are at stake?”
“Thank you.
I take it from your answer that you have never had to negotiate a business deal where millions are at stake?”
Absolutely not, I was an employee, just an engineer with BT.
Originally Posted by John146:
“Absolutely not, I was an employee, just an engineer with BT.”
“Absolutely not, I was an employee, just an engineer with BT.”
Again, thank you.
I have been in negotiations will many governmental agencies, and private companies concerning funding and believe you me, no one states their position before the start to negotiations.
The last high profile guy who showed his hand before dealing with Europe was called Cameron, and look what that did for him - he got nothing and lost.
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“Again, thank you.
I have been in negotiations will many governmental agencies, and private companies concerning funding and believe you me, no one states their position before the start to negotiations.
The last high profile guy who showed his hand before dealing with Europe was called Cameron, and look what that did for him - he got nothing and lost.”
“Again, thank you.
I have been in negotiations will many governmental agencies, and private companies concerning funding and believe you me, no one states their position before the start to negotiations.
The last high profile guy who showed his hand before dealing with Europe was called Cameron, and look what that did for him - he got nothing and lost.”
It would seem that a few posters on here know exactly we will be left with or negotiate when we exit the EU
Originally Posted by John146:
“It would seem that a few posters on here know exactly we will be left with or negotiate when we exit the EU”
“It would seem that a few posters on here know exactly we will be left with or negotiate when we exit the EU”
Sorry, I do not understand that.
Remember that being a Brexit supporter I need things in small words and said slowly.
Originally Posted by andykn:
“When? The last set of figures showed a fall.”
“When? The last set of figures showed a fall.”
What set of figures are you talking about ?
Is it Septembers figures ?
Aren't they the 2nd highest monthly export figures on record ?
Only narrowly lower than Augusts, which were the highest figures on record.
I think that proves my point about the effects a drop in sterling has on exports.
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“Sorry, I do not understand that.
Remember that being a Brexit supporter I need things in small words and said slowly.”
“Sorry, I do not understand that.
Remember that being a Brexit supporter I need things in small words and said slowly.”
Although as I have already said Ms May has kept any points for agreement/negotiation very secret, a few posters on here seem to know what Ms May is thinking and what her strategy will be, as far as I am concerned no one knows anything yet
Originally Posted by John146:
“No, I worked for the Post Office/BT for 40 years...”
“No, I worked for the Post Office/BT for 40 years...”
Same here, except it was only 17 years until the time that Telegrams became redundant, and I was too!
Originally Posted by dodrade:
“At least the facade of European unity has been dropped, threats and coercion are the only things keeping the EU together now.”
“At least the facade of European unity has been dropped, threats and coercion are the only things keeping the EU together now.”
It was Britain which broke the unity.
You just wonder how much trust this makes the new partners we are trying to get FTAs with trust us.
Brexiters don't care though. They just want to ruin everything because it will show them.
Bexit means breaks its.
Originally Posted by John146:
“Although as I have already said Ms May has kept any points for agreement/negotiation very secret, a few posters on here seem to know what Ms May is thinking and what her strategy will be, as far as I am concerned no one knows anything yet”
“Although as I have already said Ms May has kept any points for agreement/negotiation very secret, a few posters on here seem to know what Ms May is thinking and what her strategy will be, as far as I am concerned no one knows anything yet”
Ah, am with you now.
I agree how strange it is that we have so many on here that are privy to Cabinet meetings.
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“It was Britain which broke the unity.
You just wonder how much trust this makes the new partners we are trying to get FTAs with trust us.
Brexiters don't care though. They just want to ruin everything because it will show them.
Bexit means breaks its.”
“It was Britain which broke the unity.
You just wonder how much trust this makes the new partners we are trying to get FTAs with trust us.
Brexiters don't care though. They just want to ruin everything because it will show them.
Bexit means breaks its.”
You have looked across the Channel and seen the mess the continent of Europe is in?
And we are the cause of it?
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“Same here, except it was only 17 years until the time that Telegrams became redundant, and I was too!”
“Same here, except it was only 17 years until the time that Telegrams became redundant, and I was too!”
I started as a Telegraph Boy in 1956, as I had no qualifications when I left school, I waited until I was 21 and transferred to Post Office Telephones as it was then.
Originally Posted by John146:
“I started as a Telegraph Boy in 1956, as I had no qualifications when I left school, I waited until I was 21 and transferred to Post Office Telephones as it was then.”
“I started as a Telegraph Boy in 1956, as I had no qualifications when I left school, I waited until I was 21 and transferred to Post Office Telephones as it was then.”
Those delightful days of having party lines, ah I remember it well.
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“Those delightful days of having party lines, ah I remember it well.”
“Those delightful days of having party lines, ah I remember it well.”
Flaming nightmare to work on, and connect up!!
Originally Posted by John146:
“I started as a Telegraph Boy in 1956, as I had no qualifications when I left school, I waited until I was 21 and transferred to Post Office Telephones as it was then.”
“I started as a Telegraph Boy in 1956, as I had no qualifications when I left school, I waited until I was 21 and transferred to Post Office Telephones as it was then.”
Would have liked to have done the same, but they didn't want me.
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“No, what turned out to be unbelievable was Project Fear... you know, stuff like we'll all be living in caves.”
“No, what turned out to be unbelievable was Project Fear... you know, stuff like we'll all be living in caves.”
That's not an answer, it's an excuse,
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“You have looked across the Channel and seen the mess the continent of Europe is in?
And we are the cause of it?”
“You have looked across the Channel and seen the mess the continent of Europe is in?
And we are the cause of it?”
Whats happened to it?
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“It was Britain which broke the unity.
You just wonder how much trust this makes the new partners we are trying to get FTAs with trust us.
Brexiters don't care though. They just want to ruin everything because it will show them.
Bexit means breaks its.”
“It was Britain which broke the unity.
You just wonder how much trust this makes the new partners we are trying to get FTAs with trust us.
Brexiters don't care though. They just want to ruin everything because it will show them.
Bexit means breaks its.”
Great that you equate trade deals to political integration.
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