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Ah, am with you now.
I agree how strange it is that we have so many on here that are privy to Cabinet meetings.
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And, how do you know all this?, neither Ms May or any of her Brexit team have mentioned anything which we or the EU will accept during negotiations They either continue being the party supportive of business and enterprise, or they choose to abandon us and lose our financial support when it comes to fighting and winning future elections. I am confident the Conservatives will stay true to their core beliefs and do the sensible thing in regards to the EU, single market and our place in it. |
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It's really quite simple -
They either continue being the party supportive of business and enterprise, or they choose to abandon us and lose our financial support when it comes to fighting and winning future elections. I am confident the Conservatives will stay true to their core beliefs and do the sensible thing in regards to the EU, single market and our place in it. |
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So far, your favourite party hs handled Brexit apallingly and if they do what you think, it will be over a lot of dead bodies that won't just be those of Brexiters.
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What do you mean by that?
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So far, your favourite party hs handled Brexit apallingly and if they do what you think, it will be over a lot of dead bodies that won't just be those of Brexiters.
She at least needs to look tough and talk tough to try and appease them. She wants the fight with the courts, and I happen to believe she wants to lose those battles too. And she then wants cross-party MP's to make triggering article 50 incredibly difficult too, and of course inevitable battles with the Lords. By having all those battles on her CV, she can then at least demonstrate by god did she fight for brexit. But the ultimate deal is really the best she could get with all the obstacles in her way. ![]() So in summary, yes it looks a mess. But politically I can see why things are playing out the way they are. |
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The article clearly states
"“If you British are not prepared to compromise on free movement," We WILL compromise on it. We have no choice. Even some of the Brexiteers on DS now concede we will have free movement after "brexit" takes place. There won't be a hard brexit. The UK government will NEVER be given authority by parliament to pursue such a wreckless and destructive path that will literally destroy us. Of course there will be civil strife in the process, but hey ho, you reap what you sow. |
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They don't needs parliaments approval, they can go to general election, blame the remainers for not allowing the will of the people to be executed and get a mandate to strike down the high court ruling and go straight to A50 without parliament being involved.
Of course there will be civil strife in the process, but hey ho, you reap what you sow. |
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Example of shared asset - European Medicines Association
Example of shared liability - pension payments Pension payment - to whom? UK civil servants would be covered by the UK government. EU pensions would be covered by the EU. It's not hard to split. |
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The European Medicines Agency is an agency of the EU, not the UK government (so would remain with the rEU).
Pension payment - to whom? UK civil servants would be covered by the UK government. EU pensions would be covered by the EU. It's not hard to split. |
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You can't strike down a High Court ruling with an election. The only way to do that is to change the law and that would require...a vote in Parliament.
I don't get what part of "Parliamentary democracy" Brexiters don't get, especially given it was, supposedly, the very reason they voted leave to start with...
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Quite.
I don't get what part of "Parliamentary democracy" Brexiters don't get, especially given it was, supposedly, the very reason they voted leave to start with... ![]() |
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You can't strike down a High Court ruling with an election. The only way to do that is to change the law and that would require...a vote in Parliament.
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Quite.
I don't get what part of "Parliamentary democracy" Brexiters don't get, especially given it was, supposedly, the very reason they voted leave to start with... ![]() |
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I'm sure what was meant is that calling a general election to garner a larger Conservative majority would allow them to easily pass the necessary legislation to carry out Brexit in the way they want.
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Quite.
I don't get what part of "Parliamentary democracy" Brexiters don't get, especially given it was, supposedly, the very reason they voted leave to start with... ![]() |
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I would not expect the EU to give us any benefits of membership when we are not contributing anything to the EU, and, I suspect that many leavers also understand this to be the result of our leaving
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Yet many still accuse the EU of daft things like bullying when the EU explain this.
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I think that words like 'We make it hard as possible for the UK to leave the EU' (or words to that effect), are or maybe posturing by some members or spokesmen/women for countries in the EU
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The economy is too reliant on financial services. It's time things changed and the government look after all the UK. We're sick of London being catered for and the rest left behind.
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That isn't having your cake and eating it
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OK, so my understanding of what the most favoured nation rule means was correct.
I realised this some months before the referendum (I voted Brexit) but was surprised that I didn't hear Remain campaigners make this point. This was surprising because leading Brexiters were making the point that we could set the tariffs lower, which would make imported goods cheaper, which is true. Yet such a policy would put our exports at a competitive disadvantage to imports from the EU. |
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Nobody in the EU has said that at all. Far from making it hard to leave, the EU keep saying hurry up and get on with it.
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I think more people are more aware than ever before just how much the entire of society (the world even) revolves around 'money' and not for the masses actual benefit (versus perceived benefit). People are saying 'no' there must be another way.
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Nobody in the EU has said that at all. Far from making it hard to leave, the EU keep saying hurry up and get on with it.
Leave EU and we’ll make your lives a misery: Juncker’s warning to Britain http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/le...tain-7h2k90t8g |
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Exactly.
It's all about GDP and Growth. More hamburgers sold than last year etc!! More, More, More... Yet, they fail to realise it is only benefiting a small section of society. People have seen their real wage reduced over the last years to a starvation wage. Many cannot even afford their own homes / rents and living with their parents. Globalism is not working, we're used to the same promises during each election. Brexit / Trump is a way to say, we want things changed and fast!!! |
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