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Old 20-11-2016, 18:41
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I think that words like 'We make it hard as possible for the UK to leave the EU' (or words to that effect), are or maybe posturing by some members or spokesmen/women for countries in the EU
You think wrong.
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Old 20-11-2016, 18:41
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I did say 'Or words to that effect' Juncker:

Leave EU and we’ll make your lives a misery: Juncker’s warning to Britain

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/le...tain-7h2k90t8g
Could you edit the url tags out of your link please? And btw, the Times is behind a paywall, so not a good source to link to anyway.

ETA - there's nothing in what little I can read of the article that justifies the headline.
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Old 20-11-2016, 18:42
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I did say 'Or words to that effect' Juncker:

Leave EU and we’ll make your lives a misery: Juncker’s warning to Britain

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/le...tain-7h2k90t8g
What did he actually say?
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Old 20-11-2016, 18:44
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I did say 'Or words to that effect' Juncker:

Leave EU and we’ll make your lives a misery: Juncker’s warning to Britain

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/le...tain-7h2k90t8g
To me that sounds like the words of a yard bully
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Old 20-11-2016, 18:45
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Some remainers are looking forward to the day you get what you want.
Very much so.
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Old 20-11-2016, 18:46
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To me that sounds like the words of a yard bully
To me it sounds like the words of a news worker.
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Old 20-11-2016, 18:48
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To me that sounds like the words of a yard bully
To me it sounds like the words of a headline writer at The Times.
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Old 20-11-2016, 18:54
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To me it sounds like the words of a headline writer at The Times.
Also, Juncker could hardly say anything to the contrary. If he said "If the UK leaves the EU, it will be no problem and there will be still be a great deal on offer for them afterwards" he'd nearly be giving the British public the green light to vote for Brexit.
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Old 20-11-2016, 18:57
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Nobody in the EU has said that at all. Far from making it hard to leave, the EU keep saying hurry up and get on with it.
Perhaps the Eu are aware that the Prime Minister (Cameron) publicly stated that Article 50 would be triggered (by Prime Minister David Cameron) on the 28th of June 2016 in the event of a Brexit. And that all of us voted on that basis.

The delay and the uncertainty may harm the Eu.....not just the UK. If they are angry (and that anger has consequences)......that is hardly a surprise.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:00
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Surely this is the best news we've had all month.

Thank you Europe, take that Trevgo, aurichie and all you remainers.
Why, it's what Remainers have been saying is the only option since the Referendum.

Either there is a Brexit that involves no agreements with the EU - and no agreements with any country where the agreement is via the EU - or Brexit doesn't occur.

I can't see why Brexiters are making such a pig's ear of it, it's almost as if they hadn't thought of the consequences when whining on about Brexit.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:09
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No that's not what was meant - the poster specifically said that a general election would give them a mandate to enact Article 50 "without Parliament being involved." Obviously that poster doesn't realise that an election promising to commit contempt of court wouldn't stop the cabinet being arrested for it.
Of course it would give them a mandate, they'd include the promise of Brexit in their manifesto with a big enough majority to overcome opposition from outside their own party whilst Tory dissenters to Brexit would need to adhere to the manifesto promise.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:11
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Of course it would give them a mandate, they'd include the promise of Brexit in their manifesto with a big enough majority to overcome opposition from outside their own party whilst Tory dissenters to Brexit would need to adhere to the manifesto promise.
That's not what the other poster said, and that's not what I was contradicting.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:14
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Of course it would give them a mandate, they'd include the promise of Brexit in their manifesto with a big enough majority to overcome opposition from outside their own party whilst Tory dissenters to Brexit would need to adhere to the manifesto promise.
What parties put in their manifestos still needs to go through Parliament.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:24
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What if there isn't?
Grow up.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:33
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Here, Nodger have a look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHzmCHcM7cA
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:34
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What parties put in their manifestos still needs to go through Parliament.
Jeezus wept!
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:34
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Saw it this morning, only just finished laughing.

Edit: There's another DP edition with McGrory on from April. Coburn gives him a little mauling (yep, Coburn gave it to him)... regarding the Government's £9 million leaflet he was defending to the hilt.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:42
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Parliamentary democracy is a bugger, isn't it.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:44
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I have, that's why I don't vote for "another way" without having a clue what that might be and how we might be better off.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:55
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What parties put in their manifestos still needs to go through Parliament.
Apart from all of the stuff they put in their manifestos which they quietly forget about after the election.
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Old 20-11-2016, 19:57
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Parliamentary democracy is a bugger, isn't it.
Brexiters don't like it much, it seems!
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Old 20-11-2016, 20:09
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The trouble with setting tariffs cheaper is that they are there for a reason, so we have 10% on cars to protect our own car industry from cheap imports. And lowering tariffs will only make non EU imports cheaper, some EU imports will get more expensive.
I don't think that is the case, but I'm happy to be corrected. If we choose to set the import duty on cars to say 3% then within WTO rules that tarrif applies to all imported cars from all nations. The EU will quite happily sell us cars at a tarrif of 3% but will continue to set a tarrif of 10% (or whatever it happens to be) on cars they import from the UK.
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Old 20-11-2016, 20:14
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I don't think that is the case, but I'm happy to be corrected. If we choose to set the import duty on cars to say 3% then within WTO rules that tarrif applies to all imported cars from all nations. The EU will quite happily sell us cars at a tarrif of 3% but will continue to set a tarrif of 10% (or whatever it happens to be) on cars they import from the UK.
Yes, so cars we import from the EU would be more expensive. And cars from Japan, Korea and China would be cheaper undercutting our own manufacturers, which is why we had a 10% tariff in the first place.
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Old 20-11-2016, 21:57
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Also, Juncker could hardly say anything to the contrary. If he said "If the UK leaves the EU, it will be no problem and there will be still be a great deal on offer for them afterwards" he'd nearly be giving the British public the green light to vote for Brexit.
That's true but there are good guys like Tusk who are diplomatic in how they say things and there are wind up merchants like Junker who seem to rub everyone up the wrong way.
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Old 20-11-2016, 22:06
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Parliamentary democracy is a bugger, isn't it.
Go back and read my post you were resp[onding to. Did I say it would give the Tories a clearer passage through Parliament than they currently have or are you naive enough to think that when Corbyn says Labour won't oppose a Brexit Bill, he's guaranteed to be telling the truth.
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