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Ed Balls deserves to win?
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DiamondDoll
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by maggie_07:
“I wouldn't be too sure about that. Obviously thousands may be voting for Ed but in total many more thousands are voting for all the others. There may be many who will not watch again if a joke act wins the glitterball. I certainly won't - I want to see beautiful dancing in the final and I want the best dancer to win. Still if that's not what other people want, that's fine, I can watch something else on Saturday night.”

Originally Posted by maggie_07:
“No, that's fine. If he's in the final I can skip through his dances. The poster I was replying to was talking about Ed winning though. That I would be upset about as it would just be a kick in the teeth for the celebs and pros who have worked hard to perform lovely dance routines all these weeks.

However if that's what people vote for and that's what they want, fair enough and I'll say goodbye to Strictly after about 14 years.
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Are you being serious?

If you are.........words fail me.

You won't watch again if Ed wins.
Surely nobody would be so childish.

You must be extracting the proverbial without a trace of humour.
Am I right?
Pontywarrior
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by trebanos:
“If Strictly is all about pure dancing ability, why is it necessary to have a pantomime villain judge? We all know why Craig nitpicks and votes down. Even the rows with the other judges are scripted. We've all watched and wondered what will Craig have to say this week. Without Craig's comments the programme would be really bland.

I, for one, have had my fill of watching stage school trained celebs pretending to have forgotten how to dance. Dancing is like riding a bike, once you've had hours of practice and performance, you've got it. Ed is starting from scratch, years of Dad Dancing will never make up for the experience others started with.

If Ed should win, millions will be happy, who cares if a few forum 'experts' are upset. It certainly won't affect the popularity of the programme.”

I am not sure if ANYONE has said SCD is about pure dancing ability in fact I believe all the threads/posts I have read have recognised that it is a mixture of a dance/entertainment/popularity contest.

That said dancing ability IMHO MUST be the priority, to be honest of I wanted to watch people like Ed Balls then I would watch Britain's got talent which I DON'T watch!
londongirlGre
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Amaluna:
“I don't understand why the GBP can't make a difference between a beginner learning to dance and an intermediate learning to dance?
Surely the complexity of say Danny's choreography is 10 times or more difficult than Ed's?
And that's how it should be. But please let's not say - oh he can dance, so he is learning nothing and not making any effort at all just because his starting point was higher than Ed's.
Both are learning.
The rest is personal taste to which everyone is entitled.”

Exactly. I said the same sort of thing but you put it much better than me.
MACTOWIN
20-11-2016
You won't watch again if Ed wins.
Surely nobody would be so childish.

My wife has said she wont watch it again if Mr Balls wins and I would ask that you don't also call her childish. Respect cost nothing and just accepts other peoples opinion.
maggie_07
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“Are you being serious?

If you are.........words fail me.

You won't watch again if Ed wins.
Surely nobody would be so childish.

You must be extracting the proverbial without a trace of humour.
Am I right?”

I think it's up to me what I watch or don't watch on TV. If Ed wins I assume that's the route the show will be going in the future so I'm not interested. If I started watching again because of someone who is really good and I support them all the way and vote for them, I don't want to see them knocked out by a joke act. If you want a poor dancer to win that's up to you but I think the winner should be the best dancer. If they want to change this and have the funniest dancer winning, I'm not interested and that's my choice not yours (and there is no need for insults).
Cadiva
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by maggie_07:
“I didn't say he's not working hard. It's the end product that counts though and if people are still enjoying his dances, fair enough but it doesn't mean I have to.”

And I don't see that anyone's told you that you do have to. The point remains that no-one has an idea who is working the hardest or how hard each individual is finding the training.

Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“I disagree. Danny, Louise or Ore dance steps are way more complicated than Ed's so they have to work much harder. No matter what dance experience or natural talent that they have, they are still new to ballroom and latin.”

And we will agree to disagree. Previous dance experience, while not in the same discipline, brings advantages if anyone has ever done any routine work. Having more complicated steps in a routine doesn't make learning a routine harder, it makes executing the steps correctly more difficult.

Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“To be honest it's ridiculous arguing over who is working the hardest when we don't even know the total training hours any more.”

Also true.

Originally Posted by Pontywarrior:
“I am not sure if ANYONE has said SCD is about pure dancing ability in fact I believe all the threads/posts I have read have recognised that it is a mixture of a dance/entertainment/popularity contest.

That said dancing ability IMHO MUST be the priority, to be honest of I wanted to watch people like Ed Balls then I would watch Britain's got talent which I DON'T watch!”

And, as has been said/posted/commented on since the show began, that isn't the priority.

In the words of the show's creator:

Quote:
““We needed to come up with a big Saturday night show and at a meeting we were discussing what hadn’t been tried,” Fenia, who then worked as the BBC’s Entertainment Commissioner, remembers.

“Out of the blue, I said ‘ballroom dancing’.

“My vision was for an entertainment show first and foremost, with celebrities out of their comfort zone.””

Dance is the vehicle on which they've sat the show, but entertainment and seeing whether today's celebrities had the all round skills of the musical hall entertainers of old, like Bruce Forsyth himself, was the idea of the show.
CravenHaven
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by maggie_07:
“No, that's fine. If he's in the final I can skip through his dances. The poster I was replying to was talking about Ed winning though. That I would be upset about as it would just be a kick in the teeth for the celebs and pros who have worked hard to perform lovely dance routines all these weeks.

However if that's what people vote for and that's what they want, fair enough and I'll say goodbye to Strictly after about 14 years.”

sorry to see you go. Bye. See you next week
J05h
20-11-2016
If you think ED deserves to win based on learning to dance then Judge Rinder must win as at least he is taking it seriously and is looking to improve. SCD has done everything they can to keep ED giving him consecutive Latin dances to please the crowd eventually this is going to run out. in fairness I think Danny and Louise less so have had to much training prior to the show it was problem for Natalie Gumede and DVO why not for them. I think the winner should be judge rinder who has improved the most I might had said ORE but there is only so much wailing and constant self righteousness not to mention overmarking I can bare hope he goes ASAP.
maggie_07
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by CravenHaven:
“sorry to see you go. Bye. See you next week ”

Ed hasn't won yet so I'll be here till then
Mystical123
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by maggie_07:
“I think it's up to me what I watch or don't watch on TV. If Ed wins I assume that's the route the show will be going in the future so I'm not interested. If I started watching again because of someone who is really good and I support them all the way and vote for them, I don't want to see them knocked out by a joke act. If you want a poor dancer to win that's up to you but I think the winner should be the best dancer. If they want to change this and have the funniest dancer winning, I'm not interested and that's my choice not yours (and there is no need for insults).”

My thoughts exactly.
sukipo
20-11-2016
Totally agree!
Pontywarrior
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“My thoughts exactly.”

Mine too.

I was a late joiner to SCD and only started watching after following Dancing with the Stars in the US (SCD is so superior IMHO though )

Personally I wouldn't choose to watch if someone like Ed wins, it isn't that I have any issues with him or his politics I just think for me it would be a farce.

I don't watch the X factor or Britain's got talent, I stopped watching I'm a Celebrity a few years ago. I like SCD as I love the talent.

Ed was fine to start but if we want to consider him in the same way as the other dancers he is not in the same league.

As always just my opinion, I won't say I WON'T watch again but if this is the start of a trend then I don't think it is for me.

I'd love to say that there isn't a chance in Hell that he'll win Strictly but I said that about Trump becoming President and look what happened

Oh and by the way if people say they won't watch again they are not being childish it just means that the programme is moving in a direction they don't enjoy. I used to be a big BB fan but stopped watching it after a few awful people won, it was no longer entertaining for me - not childish!
Amaluna
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
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And we will agree to disagree. Previous dance experience, while not in the same discipline, brings advantages if anyone has ever done any routine work. Having more complicated steps in a routine doesn't make learning a routine harder, it makes executing the steps correctly more difficult.”

So can we then agree that executing more and more difficult steps correctly is at least equally hard to executing less and less complicated steps correctly for a beginner?
Amelia_Sutherla
20-11-2016
Nooooo,that's all.
Johnnys Arcade
20-11-2016
To answer the original question, NO. He will not win, and does not deserve to win despite his popularity. He has been most entertaining though, but he has had his run & will be out next week.
roseblue1
20-11-2016
If Ed wins then good for him...it will be the British Public that would have voted for him.

If people do not want to watch Strictly again that is up to them...
roseblue1
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Johnnys Arcade:
“To answer the original question, NO. He will not win, and does not deserve to win despite his popularity. He has been most entertaining though, but he has had his run & will be out next week.”

I'm not so sure...his fanbase is huge...but who knows
doormouse1
20-11-2016
I hope Ed wins - or Rinder

I am sick and tired of people who have obviously had stage school training competing with those who were not fortunate enough to get this,and sailing through week after week.
jeanoj
20-11-2016
As a huge supporter of Ed I would love him to be in the final but I don't think he will win - the glitter ball is Danny's. However, Ed's progress has been greater than Danny's IMO - every week he gives it his all and it isn't Ed's fault that he has been placed in the role of joker. First and foremost I think this is an entertainment programme and Ed entertains me every week. Good luck to him I say!
Monkseal
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by doormouse1:
“I hope Ed wins - or Rinder

I am sick and tired of people who have obviously had stage school training competing with those who were not fortunate enough to get this,and sailing through week after week.”

Judge Rinder went to stage school.
Poppy99_Poppy
20-11-2016
It is an entertainment show and Balls is by far the most entertaining. If it was a dance competition they would all start from the same place - I.e all with previous dance training or all complete novices. Whilst I enjoy the glossy dances, I do so knowing that it is a bit farcical, as they were already trained in either performing arts or dance. The likes of Widdecombe and Grant were tiresome, because they really could not dance and comedy was all they had. Ed does have moves, and is being pushed into being a comedy act because they want him to look bad so he goes. I hope the BBC don't pressure him to leave - or if they do, that Ed ignores them. When he ceases to be entertaining, that is when he should go, not before.
Diane
20-11-2016
Hope he gets to the final, go Ed go
sydrob
20-11-2016
I would have no problem with Ed winning it. If he was treating it as a joke and not working hard, then yes I would have an issue with it. But he is learning, working hard every week, he's just not as good as the others but is entertaining. And by entertaining I mean he loves it out there and it shows, all the others are just too serious about it and seem to have no joy at all in their dancing.
Gary Baldi
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“I'm not so sure...his fanbase is huge...but who knows”

His fanbase is not huge. Dance off the week after next at the very latest and GONE.
roseblue1
20-11-2016
Originally Posted by Gary Baldi:
“His fanbase is not huge. Dance off the week after next at the very latest and GONE.”

How do you know his fanbase is not huge?
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