Indeed so, considering Martin was away half of the day doing a task to earn stars to feed the lot of them!

Baker is a loudmouth who tries to disguise it as ''banter'', he needs to wind his neck in! I've never liked him & he's certainly not doing anything to endear himself to me now.

I'm quite sure he'll be devastated to know that.

LOL No - people are going to Martin after these "arguments" and being supportive. You're just watching what you want to see.

Martin took it too far though, she didn't want a rift to form between her friends and he was being a sore loser, no doubt about it. That whole "raise your hands if you agree. C'mon team!" thing was excruciating.

So Danny thinks it's ok to lay into Martin even though it was Adams job too. Adam should have said " come on Martin Let's get the water" if it was such an issue. Somehow I don't think Danny would have treated say Adam, or Larry or any one else like that. He is a typical bully because he sees the weakness in Martin and that he can influence the others. Horrible man, I've never liked him much and he's confirmed my opinion.

Ditto and agreed.

There's a group There of happy cooperating camp mates.
And one who loudly complains about everything happening, talks about how everything affects him, did well at a hard trial but then talked forever about how he did, deliberately ignored repeated requests to do his given task, and then gets all upset that people are negative about him.
So he is the one that's going to get it in the neck.
One person causing irritation and getting the anger back isn't being bullied, he's being punished.

I am not a fan of Martin but it did imo make a bit uncomfortable viewing. Martin probably felt he had done his bit in earning the stars for the meal over coming his fear of enclosed places. He probably felt pretty good about himself. Well done Danny for knocking it out of him. Also why did not Joel Scarletts second in command not say something. Danny seems to have gone in thinking Scarletts the favourite i will stick up for her other posters have mentioned this. But things can change due to editing on the public opinion of somone.

I agree with there being no empathy from Scarlett towards Martin when she was telling him not to upset.

Martin is an insecure, attention-seeking histrionic twunt who needs to (a) grow a far thicker skin and (b) stop playing up to the cameras.

If you can't take someone else telling you to stop being such a pillock without descending into a pathetically blubbing mess, then you have serious issues.

Bullying, my arse...

Yeah, to be honest Martin is coming over as an over-grown school boy and he really isn't helping himself integrate into the group very well. It can then seem a bit like bullying but in reality to me he is irritating the rest of the camp who have been getting on well.

Things like saying that he's not going to eat rice and beans because they taste like poo (or whatever) don't really boost camp morale and even his pieces in the BT have come over as whinny and then there was blaming A&D for dropping the stars etc.

He's a bit like that kid at school who can't really make friends with anyone in the class and when they others try to help he just carries on being rude without maybe realising it?

Storm in a tea-cup.!
Martin could have just got the water the first time he was asked, which would have avoided the 'follow on' argument. He does seem a bit precious?
As for Danny, IMO, a loud mouthed, irritating bore. If he felt the need to help Scarlett, he could have spoken to Martin in private, or perhaps in in a less aggressive way?

What I don't understand is the presumption from some posters that Danny is behaving this way as he perceives Scarlett as the future winner? What would he gain from this ''support'' for her? Scarlett seems to be a target for some now - not sure why, as she seems nothing but a naive young woman, very protected by her family, and liked by ALL her camp mates.
Maybe we need to take a step back and not continuously look for faults. Enjoy!

Martin behaved badly because he ignored Scarlets request to collect water. And the camp kept running out of water.

That process of politely and reasonably asking by Scarlet, and disrespectfully ignoring her by Martin, had been happening all day, but wasn't put into the edit, so we didn't see it.

Danny Baker had had enough of it, and being a man of principle he told Martin what he was doing wrong. Danny is a much stronger and honest character than Martin, and Martin is a bit of a weasel (All that passive aggressive nonsense he comes out with when under pressure).

Martin behaved very badly for the whole day, which was confirmed in the Bush Telegraph by the camp mates after Danny let rip. No one said Danny was wrong. Everyone who expressed an opinion said that Martin had been ignoring Scarlet all day.

My understanding of the chores is that once they are handed out by the camp president, no one else is allowed to do them. So Martin agreed to be water carrier before he had to do a bushtucker trial, and knew that he still had to fetch water after doing the trial. If someone else did the water instead of Martin, there would be a forfeit, like they may lose a star and therefore eat less.

That's why Martins behaviour is so bad. He knew he was the only one allowed to fetch water, but he continually refused to do it all day.

The camp presidency is designed to create this kind of tension, other wise all the lazy people would be able to get away with being lazy, and ITV would have less to show in the main show.

Martin is lazy, he's a whinger too, he whinged constantly during the Bushtucker Trial, and Martin has a sense of entitlement that doesn't exist in the camp. He needs to grow up, or go back to the Versace.

Danny did similar though. "The whole camp agrees with me" "Everyone's saying it" owtte. He didn't actually give the campmates the option to rase their hands to denote if they agreed or not he stated it as fact!

No wonder Martin was upset, big balls Baker had just announced that the whole of the camp were talking about him behind his back.

I'm confused. Wayne was very pissed by Martin's behaviour and was sat there clenching his jaw when Martin was refusing to do what Scarlett had said. We even saw him discussing it (or bitching behind Martin's back as you would say) with someone, I think it was Joel but can't be too sure. So Wayne is getting credit because he was the first one to notice Martin crying and sat down with him as any person would? He's just as frustrated with Martin's behaviour.

I don't like Adam much but I actually think he had been doing his job around camp when asked that's why he wasn't targeted. When he said to Martin "it was probably me as well when they went to fetch water, I think he was just trying to make Martin feel better about the whole situation.

It's clear Martin has a problem - he can't keep his mouth shut and he comes across as rude and condescending. Even in his task when Ant said he had to put the stars in the bag he answered "yeah I got that" - and what happened? The two stars he'd got at that point were left lying. I absolutely hate passive-aggressiveness because I've had to deal with it in my professional life and it's dangerous.

Martin had just completed a trial & won stars for the camp. Martin was tendering the fire when it all blew up & they started to pick on Martin.

So where was Adam during all of this he too is on the same duties as Martin, why didn't they order him to fetch more water instead ?

I agree with this. Just saw someone up thread say they now find Scarlett manipulative and cruel after last night. Think that's a bit extreme from what we were shown. She simply asked Martin to do his job multiple times and he disrespected her. Even if you didn't find her genuine when comforting Martin, at least she made an attempt to comfort someone who's annoyed and disrespected her all day. Well done to Martin for winning the stars but that doesn't excuse him from his duties and it's not like he was gone all day and immediately came back and was asked to fetch water. I don't think for that kind of trial he was away from for more an hour or two.

Nope. Martin was initially asked to fetch water when he was doing nothing. He ignored Scarlett and then he decided to tend to the fire a few moments later (so that he wouldn't have to fetch the water). The fire wasn't a priority at that time and who knows how many trips for water have to be made a day? If Martin had done any trips during the whole day then Scarlett wouldn't have insisted he go with Adam. He was clearly trying to get away from doing the harder job. If he can't carry water he should've said so when he was assigned that duty or even now he can just say the water is too heavy for me to carry can you assign me a different duty.

The trial is irrelevant in all of this. Martin knows the rules.

I don't know the rules fully, but I think the rules are very strict, because that will create most tension.

My guess is that Martin and Adam are the only ones who can collect water. My other guess is that they have to do it together. Therefore I think that Adam got himself ready to do the chore at Scarletts request, but Martin disrespectfully ignored her constantly throughout the day.

No one disagreed with Danny in the (edited) aftermath. All the Bush Telegraph interviews agreed that Martin had relentlessly declined Scarletts polite requests throughout the whole day.

Adam did blame himself for not pushing the issue himself during the day.

Martin is yet to blame himself for his behaviour. But he has bigged himself up about his success with the bushtucker trial.

Bushtucker trials don't exempt you from the chores.

BIB It couldn't have been happening all day because Martin was away for a good portion of it doing the trial. Adam was there all day so while Martin was away it was his job to keep the water filled up.

It wasn't Dannys job to speak up, that should have been Wayne - as the vice president! Had Wayne done it I am sure he would have done it quietly, without the need to humiliate Martin.

I don't know what is going on with Martin, he seems to struggling and yet he coped really well in the trial, much better than I had expected. He dosn't seem to be finding a way to interact with the others. Puzzling, easy to label him as this that or the other but from what I have seen of him it does seem a bit out of character. I will throw one suggestion into the mix. From another TV show I saw he is rather fond of a drink so maybe he is missing it.

The thing I am noticing is the difference since Larry stopped being president.

But he wasn't the in,y one allowed to collect water. Adam and Martin are both on water duty so why wasn't Adam called out on it too when they ran out of water?

It had been happening all day, outside of the bushtucker trial. (probably an hour or so)

Danny is as entitled as anyone to say his piece. Nobody has to agree with him. But Danny is a man of principle, so he will slice you open with his words if you do something that he thinks is disrespectful to someone.

The problem for Martin is that it looks to me like he's used to getting his own way in his life. He is no match (verbally) for Danny Baker.

Martin may be able to control young junior women in his professional life, and maybe that's what he was trying to do here.

But Danny Baker will slap him down big time, if he oversteps the mark. And rightly so.

It doesn't matter who does it, as long as someone does it.

But it's not the job of the vice-president.

Martin's just a high maintenance numpty. Perfect IAC fodder.

Perhaps Martins played Scarlett at her own game. After last night, Scarlett has lost a lot of admirers from what I've seen on various sites.

No. He's an immature "superior" attention seeker oozing passive aggression. He creates negativity as a consequence. His infantile performance last night was spectacular!


Hear hear.

It will be interesting to see what happens tonight and over the new few days. There seems to be conflicting ideas of who was at fault last night, I personally think Scarlett is definitely playing the game and what I see I don't like. I never watch Gogglebox so didn't know who she was so my opinion of her has been formed over the last few days.

I know Martin much more and I felt quite uncomfortable watching what happened last night. He does need to zip up his man suit as his son told him but I don't want to see him being the whipping boy by the likes of Danny.

As Adam is doing the trial, Martin shouldn't be seen so much so it will be interesting to see if he is still being picked on by the likes of Danny.

I shall be glad when Scarlett is ousted from her presidential position and perhaps the next one will give her the water task and see how she does.

I actually think Martin is the bully