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Old 21-11-2016, 19:42
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I agree. He's probably just an arse hole
Probably was superfluous there.
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Old 22-11-2016, 00:25
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Losing it? Lost it, years ago. I have read suggestions that Kanye is a bright cookie (as he keeps telling us) and all his loopiness is just a PR show, a kind of send-up showing that he doesn't take it at all seriously. Really? I'm not buying that for a second. The guy is a short of a sandwich. More than one, probably.
Kanye actually is much more academic than any other successful rapper I can think of. His mother was a Professor of English at Chicago University and he studied for two years of an English degree before dropping out to pursue his career. There is definitely some method to his madness, but he's clearly a volatile character too. Kim K, daughter of a lawyer, is also much brighter than people give her credit for.

If they are fighting, which I can well believe, it may be over her complete withdrawal from public life following the Paris incident. Possibly she is putting pressure on him to withdraw too. Cancelling his Pablo tour seems a wrong-headed move, but perhaps it was to 'save' his marriage.
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Old 22-11-2016, 01:49
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Yes, it appears he's certainly off the rails but he's had a lot to deal with with his mother and the robbery. I'm not a fan but I think a few of you are being unnecessarily harsh.
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Old 22-11-2016, 02:04
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TMZ is reporting he's been hospitalised. Hopefully he now gets the help he needs.
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Old 22-11-2016, 03:30
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He's released a statement saying he's been hospitalized after 'severe sleep deprivation', which sadly is usually code for a Michael Jackson type scenario when all the downers and benzos he takes have stopped working, leading to psychosis after many nights spent trying different combinations.

I guess the hospital will now try and find a medical means to get him to sleep, or possibly he will start a withdrawal programme. LA showbiz types are renowned for their reliance on Ambien and Xanax, both very dangerous if withdrawn from suddenly.
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Old 22-11-2016, 06:10
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It sounds very serious. I hope he recovers soon; I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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Old 22-11-2016, 06:29
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I'm not a fan but I think a few of you are being unnecessarily harsh.
I agree.

Those who are gleeful at the prospect of a marriage crumbling (when there are kids involved no less) are particularly nasty imho.
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Old 22-11-2016, 06:30
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He's released a statement saying he's been hospitalized after 'severe sleep deprivation', which sadly is usually code for a Michael Jackson type scenario when all the downers and benzos he takes have stopped working, leading to psychosis after many nights spent trying different combinations.

I guess the hospital will now try and find a medical means to get him to sleep, or possibly he will start a withdrawal programme. LA showbiz types are renowned for their reliance on Ambien and Xanax, both very dangerous if withdrawn from suddenly.
Scary stuff.

More needs doing to prevent this type of thing in Hollywood.
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Old 22-11-2016, 07:01
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Hope he gets the help he needs.
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Old 22-11-2016, 07:08
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Nothing trivial I hope
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Old 22-11-2016, 07:54
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Probably was superfluous there.
Well I'm not going to pretend he hasn't been an arsehole in the past. However given recent reports today I hope he does get help and that his marriage survives.
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Old 22-11-2016, 08:03
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I don't usually agree with Piers Morgan, but he was spot on this morning when he said that most of the public are sick to death of hearing about the whole ghastly family, and have no sympathy with any of them.
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Old 22-11-2016, 08:15
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I don't usually agree with Piers Morgan, but he was spot on this morning when he said that most if the public are sick to death of hearing about the whole ghastly family, and have no sympathy with any of them.
Agreed. No sympathy whatsoever.
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Old 22-11-2016, 09:04
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He's released a statement saying he's been hospitalized after 'severe sleep deprivation', which sadly is usually code for a Michael Jackson type scenario when all the downers and benzos he takes have stopped working, leading to psychosis after many nights spent trying different combinations.

I guess the hospital will now try and find a medical means to get him to sleep, or possibly he will start a withdrawal programme. LA showbiz types are renowned for their reliance on Ambien and Xanax, both very dangerous if withdrawn from suddenly.
I remember after Jacko, the LA's DA office warning the docs to the stars that they faced serious charges if they weren't more careful with their prescriptions.
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Old 22-11-2016, 09:17
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I hope he's okay. Despite acting erratically and pretty damn terribly at times, he is still a human being, with presumably some major mental health issues. He needs to get the right kind of help. Also I can't help but think that him and Kim are over, which may have contributed to this episode.
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Old 22-11-2016, 10:03
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I don't usually agree with Piers Morgan, but he was spot on this morning when he said that most of the public are sick to death of hearing about the whole ghastly family, and have no sympathy with any of them.
Disagree. I have sympathy for them.
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Old 22-11-2016, 10:06
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I suspect this breakdown is partially due to the fact that Kimye may be on it's last legs. As much as I dislike the Kardashian family/brand I think they gave this erratic and egocentric man some sort of stability and a taste of family life. If he senses Kim is withdrawing or wanting out - it is likely to tip him over the edge.

A marriage built on so much extravagance and publicity is always suspect. He treats her as if she's a doll he can dress up, bring out and show off on special occasions. Did Kris and Kim really think this narcissistic man would be able to reign in his huge ego and be there to cope with the dull, mundane and challenging times that make up so much of our married lives.

They are a couple whose priorities appeared very superficial. Their need to flaunt their wealth at every opportunity was nauseating. I suspect there will be a lot of Schadenfreude amongst the public now - with many feeling a sense of pleasure at their demise. This is a sad state of affairs - but a human reaction to such a grossly flashy couple.
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Old 22-11-2016, 10:10
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Kanye actually is much more academic than any other successful rapper I can think of. His mother was a Professor of English at Chicago University and he studied for two years of an English degree before dropping out to pursue his career.
There are two points I would like to make: a degree (or here just two years of a college course) is no indication of an especial intelligence. I have met graduates who are as thick as shit and (in my line of work) non-graduates who are pretty bloody bright (and in some case bright enough to realise that a degree isn't always useful in some spheres. I think we seem to have gone - as usual - from one extreme to the other as far as a 'university education is concerned).

There are surprisingly many celebs - footballers, entertainers and circus clowns - who ahve a university degree.

As for your suggestion that as Kim is the daughter of a lawyer, she must be quite bright, well up to a point, Lord Copper. She could be bright or not, but it will have little to do with her father's profession.

PS I had only just posted the above when I came across this about West. And I doubt it was all just about the poor chap not getting enough kip.
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Old 22-11-2016, 10:12
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I think Kanye West has had mental health issues for a long time. There's egotistical behaviour and there's insane behaviour and I think much of what he's done falls into the latter definition.

I think he comes across as a total arse but if that is the result of psychological problems then I do have sympathy for him and hope he gets help to recover.

As others have said, he has never been the same since his Mother passed. Unresolved grief (medically defined as "complicated grief) can lead to longterm mental illness if not recognised and treated.
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Old 22-11-2016, 10:17
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I think Kanye West has had mental health issues for a long time. There's egotistical behaviour and there's insane behaviour and I think much of what he's done falls into the latter definition.

I think he comes across as a total arse but if that is the result of psychological problems then I do have sympathy for him and hope he gets help to recover.

As others have said, he has never been the same since his Mother passed. Unresolved grief (medically defined as "complicated grief) can lead to longterm mental illness if not recognised and treated.
Here you go
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Old 22-11-2016, 11:17
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Hopefully he and his odious wife will shuffle off into obscurity... although I doubt it.

They are a toxic couple - both egotistical, greedy attention-seekers - and I have very little sympathy for either of them. They are both the architects of their own problems and because of their endless publicity-seeking and their vile personalities, there is little in the way of genuine liking or admiration for wither of them. They are simply surrounded by sycophants and opportunistic hangers-on who will abandon them as soon as the gravy train grinds to a standstill.

I don't wish either of them any harm but I think they do each other no good at all and it would be nice if they each just spent some time focusing on their children for a change. Those poor little mites have never known a day of normality in their lives, being paraded in front of crowds and cameras in order to satisfy the colossal egos of their conceited parents.

Frankly, if i never heard of either Mr or Mrs West ever again, it would still be too soon.
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Old 22-11-2016, 11:37
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I think his erratic behaviour has been left unaddressed because 'he's an artiste' and therefore temperamental etc. and also that he's a cash cow for all those around. A bit like Brittney - she was surrounded with people that didn't get her help when she needed it because they were having too much fun/benefiting from riding her coattails.

If what the DM is reporting is true - that the MiL was complaining because it has 'ruined their night' - then I find that sad and I hope he has at least a few people that do genuinely care for him.

I don't really like his stuff or his wife but, I hope they, individually and together, manage to pull through for the kids' sake.
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Old 22-11-2016, 11:57
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Thanks for the article pgfpowell.

Trouble is if it's to be believed (this is the DM) then KW is not accepting that he needs help. Until he does it's unlikely that he will recover. To get better he needs to co-operate with whatever treatment combo of therapy and medication is prescribed. People who don't accept there's anything wrong won't do that once they're free from hospital supervision.
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Old 22-11-2016, 12:29
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There are two points I would like to make: a degree (or here just two years of a college course) is no indication of an especial intelligence. I have met graduates who are as thick as shit and (in my line of work) non-graduates who are pretty bloody bright (and in some case bright enough to realise that a degree isn't always useful in some spheres. I think we seem to have gone - as usual - from one extreme to the other as far as a 'university education is concerned).

There are surprisingly many celebs - footballers, entertainers and circus clowns - who ahve a university degree.

As for your suggestion that as Kim is the daughter of a lawyer, she must be quite bright, well up to a point, Lord Copper. She could be bright or not, but it will have little to do with her father's profession.

PS I had only just posted the above when I came across this about West. And I doubt it was all just about the poor chap not getting enough kip.
Academic ability is genetic. Children of lawyers are way more likely to be lawyers themselves than children of blue collar workers. An English degree at a good uni is exceptionally difficult to secure a place on - candidates need AAAB minimum at A level ajd intelligence is kind of necessary to achieve those scores lol
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Old 22-11-2016, 12:46
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Disagree. I have sympathy for them.
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