.......according to the Sun!
The Sun
That's a bit off seeing how Danny defended Ed in his This Morning interview!
The Sun
That's a bit off seeing how Danny defended Ed in his This Morning interview!
Ed Balls having a go at Danny Mac.....
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It is certainly a leap to see how the comment associated with Ed is him having a swipe at Danny. The Sun has - once again- put an outrageous headline out there as click bait.
There is no date attributed to the very short quote and he did not mention Danny. He seems to be jusr defending his position. However I'm sure that the Sun would not quote a Labour politician out of context or extrapolate a meaning that wasn't intended.
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“There is no date attributed to the very short quote and he did not mention Danny. He seems to be jusr defending his position. However I'm sure that the Sun would not quote a Labour politician out of context or extrapolate a meaning that wasn't intended.”
“There is no date attributed to the very short quote and he did not mention Danny. He seems to be jusr defending his position. However I'm sure that the Sun would not quote a Labour politician out of context or extrapolate a meaning that wasn't intended.”
You are correct.
They would never do that.
It's also funny to see the comments from the angle of the typical rabid sun readers at the foot of the page.
I didn't realise that Danny Mac was in the west end for as long as four years. Explains a few things though.
I didn't realise that Danny Mac was in the west end for as long as four years. Explains a few things though.
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“There is no date attributed to the very short quote and he did not mention Danny. He seems to be jusr defending his position. However I'm sure that the Sun would not quote a Labour politician out of context or extrapolate a meaning that wasn't intended.”
“There is no date attributed to the very short quote and he did not mention Danny. He seems to be jusr defending his position. However I'm sure that the Sun would not quote a Labour politician out of context or extrapolate a meaning that wasn't intended.”
BIB - Sun, Daily Fail and Torygraph are famous for that. In this instance, he was replying to the people who were saying that some good dancers are leaving while
Ed is there.
Originally Posted by yosebite:
“I didn't realise that Danny Mac was in the west end for as long as four years. Explains a few things though.”
“I didn't realise that Danny Mac was in the west end for as long as four years. Explains a few things though.”
He wasn't. As this article says
http://www.westendframe.com/2016/04/...danny-mac.html
He understudied Boq in Wicked for 2 years and was in Les Mis as a child. Neither were big dancing parts.
I don't see it as Ed attacking Danny, just defending his right to be there. He doesn't mention any names and could just as easily be seen as having a go at Louise.
Presumably just long enough to learn how to do the splits and a cartwheel, then.
Or did Oti teach him?
Or did Oti teach him?
Originally Posted by yosebite:
“Presumably just long enough to learn how to do the splits and a cartwheel, then.
Or did Oti teach him?”
“Presumably just long enough to learn how to do the splits and a cartwheel, then.
Or did Oti teach him?
”
You don't need dance training to be able to do the splits or cartwheels.
Originally Posted by Ellie1967:
“He wasn't. As this article says
http://www.westendframe.com/2016/04/...danny-mac.html
He understudied Boq in Wicked for 2 years and was in Les Mis as a child. Neither were big dancing parts.
”
“He wasn't. As this article says
http://www.westendframe.com/2016/04/...danny-mac.html
He understudied Boq in Wicked for 2 years and was in Les Mis as a child. Neither were big dancing parts.
”
As Boq's understudy, Danny was also in the ensemble. The ensemble have to be strong dancers, the first act in particular is very dance heavy - lots of big numbers, partner work and lifts. I've seen the show a few times, most recently on Saturday, so it's very fresh in my mind!
Personally I have no problem with Danny, I love watching him dance, however I think it's best to be honest about how much dancing is expected of the ensemble - including the understudies to the male leads - in Wicked.
Originally Posted by yosebite:
“Presumably just long enough to learn how to do the splits and a cartwheel, then.
Or did Oti teach him?”
“Presumably just long enough to learn how to do the splits and a cartwheel, then.
Or did Oti teach him?
”
I don't really see the connection - Claudia can do them and she's never been in the West End. I learned to do a cartwheel at primary school, but sadly it hasn't set me up as a West End Star
Originally Posted by yosebite:
“Presumably just long enough to learn how to do the splits and a cartwheel, then.
Or did Oti teach him?”
“Presumably just long enough to learn how to do the splits and a cartwheel, then.
Or did Oti teach him?
”
Nobody's denying Danny has 'previous', they're just asking for it not to be exaggerated or embellished.
There was a time (a lifetime ago
) when I could do both the splits and a rather good cartwheel. I was - and remain - an apalling dancer
The quote says "“The show is not about great dancers becoming even greater. It’s about people who have never done it before having a go.
“I was surprised to get past the first week. But I’ve been trying really hard and trying to get through every week,”
But at the start they say not just about etc etc. If Ed says 'just' then I wouldn't have a problem. The quote doesn't say that though so I hope it wasn't what he meant. It seems out of sync with what we know. I think he and Danny and I'm sure Louise have a great deal of respect for each other. I enjoyed Danny's defence of Ed on This Morning particularly where he emphasised that Ed is doing the steps, in time and really learning to dance.
No it's not JUST about good (or great) dancers getting even better but it is about them too. Not many would watch a show of just Ed's and everyone who enters should feel in with a chance of improving from where they started from and winning the glitterball. I think actually Ed has done wonders for his public profile already and I'm not sure winning would help that but even so he deserves to be in with a chance and so do they all. As the Sun are making this a dig against Danny I think he too would benefit because he's actually quite a shy down to earth, hard working bloke, I don't think that would change too much but it is good watching him conquer the reserve he has with performing as himself either when he's dancing or being interviewed. And he's still got a long way to go with that.
And yes I could (once) do cartwheels and never had a dance lesson in my life.
“I was surprised to get past the first week. But I’ve been trying really hard and trying to get through every week,”
But at the start they say not just about etc etc. If Ed says 'just' then I wouldn't have a problem. The quote doesn't say that though so I hope it wasn't what he meant. It seems out of sync with what we know. I think he and Danny and I'm sure Louise have a great deal of respect for each other. I enjoyed Danny's defence of Ed on This Morning particularly where he emphasised that Ed is doing the steps, in time and really learning to dance.
No it's not JUST about good (or great) dancers getting even better but it is about them too. Not many would watch a show of just Ed's and everyone who enters should feel in with a chance of improving from where they started from and winning the glitterball. I think actually Ed has done wonders for his public profile already and I'm not sure winning would help that but even so he deserves to be in with a chance and so do they all. As the Sun are making this a dig against Danny I think he too would benefit because he's actually quite a shy down to earth, hard working bloke, I don't think that would change too much but it is good watching him conquer the reserve he has with performing as himself either when he's dancing or being interviewed. And he's still got a long way to go with that.
And yes I could (once) do cartwheels and never had a dance lesson in my life.
Originally Posted by yosebite:
“Presumably just long enough to learn how to do the splits and a cartwheel, then.
Or did Oti teach him?”
“Presumably just long enough to learn how to do the splits and a cartwheel, then.
Or did Oti teach him?
”
Who taught Judge Rinder to pirouette??
Originally Posted by Ellie1967:
“He wasn't. As this article says
http://www.westendframe.com/2016/04/...danny-mac.html
He understudied Boq in Wicked for 2 years and was in Les Mis as a child. Neither were big dancing parts.
I don't see it as Ed attacking Danny, just defending his right to be there. He doesn't mention any names and could just as easily be seen as having a go at Louise.”
“He wasn't. As this article says
http://www.westendframe.com/2016/04/...danny-mac.html
He understudied Boq in Wicked for 2 years and was in Les Mis as a child. Neither were big dancing parts.
I don't see it as Ed attacking Danny, just defending his right to be there. He doesn't mention any names and could just as easily be seen as having a go at Louise.”
Not only did Danny appeared in the West End for 21 months he also trained as a dancer at a professional standard. He attended the same dance school as Darcey Bussell did, Arts Educational School.
Is this a CV of an amateur ?
Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“Nobody's denying Danny has 'previous', they're just asking for it not to be exaggerated or embellished.
There was a time (a lifetime ago) when I could do both the splits and a rather good cartwheel. I was - and remain - an apalling dancer ”
“Nobody's denying Danny has 'previous', they're just asking for it not to be exaggerated or embellished.
There was a time (a lifetime ago
) when I could do both the splits and a rather good cartwheel. I was - and remain - an apalling dancer ”
I was not specifically having a go at Danny Mac any more than Ed was but as you point out the time you could do a Cartwheel was a lifetime ago.
Therefore do you think Ed if he tried his hardest would be capable of doing one now? or be "lighter on his feet" as Craig helpfully recommended?
People point out that Greg also did not know how to dance but does no one else think being a young person who is a world class athlete (like him) or gymnast (like Claudia) or actor trained in dancing (like Danny) give them a huge advantage from the start?
Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“Not only did Danny appeared in the West End for 21 months he also trained as a dancer at a professional standard. He attended the same dance school as Darcey Bussell did, Arts Educational School.
Is this a CV of an amateur ?
”
“Not only did Danny appeared in the West End for 21 months he also trained as a dancer at a professional standard. He attended the same dance school as Darcey Bussell did, Arts Educational School.
Is this a CV of an amateur ?
”
No and I've never said it is. Danny went in with a massive advantage over a lot of the others (as did Louise and as have people like Natalie and Pixie in past series). As Fridgesoup said, I'm not trying to deny he has training, just that it shouldn't be exaggerated - 21 months as an understudy/ensemble part in Wicked is very different to 4 years as a lead role in Top Hat for example. He had a big head start, but not in ballroom and Latin and if it all came so easily he probably wouldn't need to put in 11 hour days in training.
Originally Posted by yosebite:
“I was not specifically having a go at Danny Mac any more than Ed was but as you point out the time you could do a Cartwheel was a lifetime ago.
Therefore do you think Ed if he tried his hardest would be capable of doing one now? or be "lighter on his feet" as Craig helpfully recommended?
People point out that Greg also did not know how to dance but does no one else think being a young person who is a world class athlete (like him) or gymnast (like Claudia) or actor trained in dancing (like Danny) give them a huge advantage from the start?”
“I was not specifically having a go at Danny Mac any more than Ed was but as you point out the time you could do a Cartwheel was a lifetime ago.
Therefore do you think Ed if he tried his hardest would be capable of doing one now? or be "lighter on his feet" as Craig helpfully recommended?
People point out that Greg also did not know how to dance but does no one else think being a young person who is a world class athlete (like him) or gymnast (like Claudia) or actor trained in dancing (like Danny) give them a huge advantage from the start?”
I think being able to engage with the public to garner votes could be the biggest advantage of all in a show reliant on the voting public.
He's not having a go at Danny Mac at all, he never mentioned the bloke's name. It's the Sun being arses.
Originally Posted by yosebite:
“I was not specifically having a go at Danny Mac any more than Ed was but as you point out the time you could do a Cartwheel was a lifetime ago.
Therefore do you think Ed if he tried his hardest would be capable of doing one now? or be "lighter on his feet" as Craig helpfully recommended?
People point out that Greg also did not know how to dance but does no one else think being a young person who is a world class athlete (like him) or gymnast (like Claudia) or actor trained in dancing (like Danny) give them a huge advantage from the start?”
“I was not specifically having a go at Danny Mac any more than Ed was but as you point out the time you could do a Cartwheel was a lifetime ago.
Therefore do you think Ed if he tried his hardest would be capable of doing one now? or be "lighter on his feet" as Craig helpfully recommended?
People point out that Greg also did not know how to dance but does no one else think being a young person who is a world class athlete (like him) or gymnast (like Claudia) or actor trained in dancing (like Danny) give them a huge advantage from the start?”
My point was, that young, fit and flexible, does not a dancer make. Some natural talent is required and a lot of graft.
There's no level playing field on Strictly, never was and never can be (if it's to remain an entertaining, something for everyone show). Age, weight, fitness, natural talent, performance, athleticism, day jobs, likeability, charm, fan base and I'm sure many other things play a role. Ed is light on his feet and is musical and has formed a brilliant partnership with Katya. It's what differentiates him from someone like Hairy Dave, for example. Ed's doing great. Danny's doing great. They both belong in the show and both deserve to be there.
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“.......according to the Sun!
The Sun
That's a bit off seeing how Danny defended Ed in his This Morning interview!”
“.......according to the Sun!
The Sun
That's a bit off seeing how Danny defended Ed in his This Morning interview!”
Because The Sun has never lied or slandered anyone ...
Originally Posted by yosebite:
“I was not specifically having a go at Danny Mac any more than Ed was but as you point out the time you could do a Cartwheel was a lifetime ago.
Therefore do you think Ed if he tried his hardest would be capable of doing one now? or be "lighter on his feet" as Craig helpfully recommended?
People point out that Greg also did not know how to dance but does no one else think being a young person who is a world class athlete (like him) or gymnast (like Claudia) or actor trained in dancing (like Danny) give them a huge advantage from the start?”
“I was not specifically having a go at Danny Mac any more than Ed was but as you point out the time you could do a Cartwheel was a lifetime ago.
Therefore do you think Ed if he tried his hardest would be capable of doing one now? or be "lighter on his feet" as Craig helpfully recommended?
People point out that Greg also did not know how to dance but does no one else think being a young person who is a world class athlete (like him) or gymnast (like Claudia) or actor trained in dancing (like Danny) give them a huge advantage from the start?”
I dont think being an athlete helps with being able to dance but it would give them more stamina as they are fit.
If you have done any type of dancing whether its full on training or at stage school this would give you an advantage. Also if you are an actor you can use your skills to use in the dance. I really do feel that Danny and Louise have a distinct advantage.
Id never heard of Danny prior to Strictly but it was obvious from the get go that he was no amateur.
Originally Posted by daziechain:
“Who taught Judge Rinder to pirouette??”
“Who taught Judge Rinder to pirouette??”
He probably learned at the National Youth Theatre!
ArtsEd is not a dance college. It is for performing arts. A dance college is somewhere like the Royal Ballet school, White Lodge. They have to learn other things such as acting, singing and performing in general. Will Young went to ArtsEd for a term!
So is the Sun trying to lose support for Ed or Danny? Could affect both the way it's written which would be a shame, as both are working hard, both appeal to the viewers (from opposite poles) and BOTH have the right to be there if the voting public wishes it so!
Find it sad that Arts Ed is still being referred to here as a 'Dance school' - it isn't, it's a triple threat, 'Stage school', albeit with a good reputation for producing great performers across the board.
Find it sad that Arts Ed is still being referred to here as a 'Dance school' - it isn't, it's a triple threat, 'Stage school', albeit with a good reputation for producing great performers across the board.
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