Originally Posted by MAW:
“You're on form this morning. Another good one.”
“You're on form this morning. Another good one.”
We're the Blueblade cheerleaders this morning. I hope you shaved your legs for the outfit.
FIFA now intolerant of fans wearing poppies !
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Originally Posted by dosanjh1:
“Unfortunately it has now become a political statement.
Jeremy Corbyn doing a jig in Remembrance Sunday”
“Unfortunately it has now become a political statement.
Jeremy Corbyn doing a jig in Remembrance Sunday”
Which he didn't do
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sun-an...y-to-cenotaph/
Originally Posted by Roesia:
“I wish he'd terminate the Suites who make these decisions.
”
“I wish he'd terminate the Suites who make these decisions.
”
Bathroom or three-piece?
Originally Posted by lemoncurd:
“I think it's high time we ditched FIFA and took football in a more positive direction amongst non-corrupt countries. A football exit (Fooxit?)”
“I think it's high time we ditched FIFA and took football in a more positive direction amongst non-corrupt countries. A football exit (Fooxit?)”
A F***sit
Originally Posted by dosanjh1:
“Unfortunately it has now become a political statement. ”
“Unfortunately it has now become a political statement. ”
I wonder if the PM will stick her nose into this non political matter again.
I do agree though telling fans what they can and can not wear is wrong the players ok they should have rules for them.
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Rubbish - they can debate it till the cows come home. This goes way above present day Westminster characters. The act is not political and never has been since its inception. It is to honour the millions of dead from two world wars and the many thousands who've died since. That is NOT political, and to suggest that it is, is a gross insult to all those who laid down their lives.
I agree with the posters who suggested that a breakaway organisation be formed to represent countries who feel that FIFA is no longer fit for purpose as a governing body for world football.”
“Rubbish - they can debate it till the cows come home. This goes way above present day Westminster characters. The act is not political and never has been since its inception. It is to honour the millions of dead from two world wars and the many thousands who've died since. That is NOT political, and to suggest that it is, is a gross insult to all those who laid down their lives.
I agree with the posters who suggested that a breakaway organisation be formed to represent countries who feel that FIFA is no longer fit for purpose as a governing body for world football.”
Well said. I'm sick of these people claiming it is now a political symbol, just because politicians discuss it.
It is what it is, a symbol of remembrance, and of all the organisations to call foul on, it is almost laughable that FIFA have the cheek to do so.
Originally Posted by lemoncurd:
“I think it's high time we ditched FIFA and took football in a more positive direction amongst non-corrupt countries. A football exit (Foockit?)”
“I think it's high time we ditched FIFA and took football in a more positive direction amongst non-corrupt countries. A football exit (Foockit?)”
Corrected your spelling for you!
Whats also a really silly rule is when players score and celebrate with the fans they get a yellow card same goes for if they tear off their shirt in celebration but they always put it back on. As for the poppy thing, I feel every team and fan out there should defy it all. Fifa can't ban everything and everyone and with strength in numbers or defiance Fifa would have a very tough task in adminstering their stupid rule. In no way is wearing a poppy political! its to show respect and remember those who fought and died for our country. This is whats wrong with football and in general society, old traditions are trying to be stamped out for one reason or another usually due to power, greed or we might 'offend' someone.
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Rubbish - they can debate it till the cows come home. This goes way above present day Westminster characters. The act is not political and never has been since its inception. It is to honour the millions of dead from two world wars and the many thousands who've died since. That is NOT political, and to suggest that it is, is a gross insult to all those who laid down their lives.
I agree with the posters who suggested that a breakaway organisation be formed to represent countries who feel that FIFA is no longer fit for purpose as a governing body for world football.”
“Rubbish - they can debate it till the cows come home. This goes way above present day Westminster characters. The act is not political and never has been since its inception. It is to honour the millions of dead from two world wars and the many thousands who've died since. That is NOT political, and to suggest that it is, is a gross insult to all those who laid down their lives.
I agree with the posters who suggested that a breakaway organisation be formed to represent countries who feel that FIFA is no longer fit for purpose as a governing body for world football.”
A gross insult to all those who laid down their lives for political reasons.
Originally Posted by Funk You:
“Whats also a really silly rule is when players score and celebrate with the fans they get a yellow card same goes for if they tear off their shirt in celebration but they always put it back on. As for the poppy thing, I feel every team and fan out there should defy it all. Fifa can't ban everything and everyone and with strength in numbers or defiance Fifa would have a very tough task in adminstering their stupid rule. In no way is wearing a poppy political! its to show respect and remember those who fought and died for our country. This is whats wrong with football and in general society, old traditions are trying to be stamped out for one reason or another usually due to power, greed or we might 'offend' someone.”
“Whats also a really silly rule is when players score and celebrate with the fans they get a yellow card same goes for if they tear off their shirt in celebration but they always put it back on. As for the poppy thing, I feel every team and fan out there should defy it all. Fifa can't ban everything and everyone and with strength in numbers or defiance Fifa would have a very tough task in adminstering their stupid rule. In no way is wearing a poppy political! its to show respect and remember those who fought and died for our country. This is whats wrong with football and in general society, old traditions are trying to be stamped out for one reason or another usually due to power, greed or we might 'offend' someone.”
Any organisation or government, can only rule with consent. Once the rules start getting barmy, there is unrest and defiance. As we have already seen.
Originally Posted by MinnieMinz:
“We're the Blueblade cheerleaders this morning. I hope you shaved your legs for the outfit.”
“We're the Blueblade cheerleaders this morning. I hope you shaved your legs for the outfit.”
Ha ha, I doubt it would make me more attractive to Blueblade. And it would blunt a number of razors in the effort. I don't shave them for my bike shorts either.
Half the nation ((hopefully more) were wearing poppies that weekend. The poppy is the opposite of a political statement since it is worn across political parties, religions and races. Therefore a unifying symbol not a divisive or political one.
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Rubbish - they can debate it till the cows come home. This goes way above present day Westminster characters. The act is not political and never has been since its inception. It is to honour the millions of dead from two world wars and the many thousands who've died since. That is NOT political, and to suggest that it is, is a gross insult to all those who laid down their lives.
I agree with the posters who suggested that a breakaway organisation be formed to represent countries who feel that FIFA is no longer fit for purpose as a governing body for world football.”
“Rubbish - they can debate it till the cows come home. This goes way above present day Westminster characters. The act is not political and never has been since its inception. It is to honour the millions of dead from two world wars and the many thousands who've died since. That is NOT political, and to suggest that it is, is a gross insult to all those who laid down their lives.
I agree with the posters who suggested that a breakaway organisation be formed to represent countries who feel that FIFA is no longer fit for purpose as a governing body for world football.”
It's being used a political tool to attack political entities that sections of the media and the government are opposed to.
The government and the media complain that FIFA shouldn't treat it as a political symbol.
These people are freaking hypocritices and denigrating the war dead.
Anybody who complains about FIFA's position but didn't equally complain about the treatment handed out to Corbyn and Milliband are freaking hypocrites and are disgracing our war dead.
They don't deserve to wear the poppy and they make me sick to my stomach and are a million times more corrupt than FIFA.
Originally Posted by dosanjh1:
“It's being used a political tool to attack political entities that sections of the media and the government are opposed to.
The government and the media complain that FIFA shouldn't treat it as a political symbol.
These people are freaking hypocritices and denigrating the war dead.
Anybody who complains about FIFA's position but didn't equally complain about the treatment handed out to Corbyn and Milliband are freaking hypocrites and are disgracing our war dead.
They don't deserve to wear the poppy and they make me sick to my stomach and are a million times more corrupt than FIFA.”
“It's being used a political tool to attack political entities that sections of the media and the government are opposed to.
The government and the media complain that FIFA shouldn't treat it as a political symbol.
These people are freaking hypocritices and denigrating the war dead.
Anybody who complains about FIFA's position but didn't equally complain about the treatment handed out to Corbyn and Milliband are freaking hypocrites and are disgracing our war dead.
They don't deserve to wear the poppy and they make me sick to my stomach and are a million times more corrupt than FIFA.”
That last statement made me laugh. Is that even possible? I happily wear a poppy not as a symbol of political stance at all, but for all our war dead. If that makes you "sick to your stomach", then perhaps you are not as high up on your horse as you seem to think you are.
Originally Posted by dosanjh1:
“It's being used a political tool to attack political entities that sections of the media and the government are opposed to.
The government and the media complain that FIFA shouldn't treat it as a political symbol.
These people are freaking hypocritices and denigrating the war dead.
Anybody who complains about FIFA's position but didn't equally complain about the treatment handed out to Corbyn and Milliband are freaking hypocrites and are disgracing our war dead.
They don't deserve to wear the poppy and they make me sick to my stomach and are a million times more corrupt than FIFA.”
“It's being used a political tool to attack political entities that sections of the media and the government are opposed to.
The government and the media complain that FIFA shouldn't treat it as a political symbol.
These people are freaking hypocritices and denigrating the war dead.
Anybody who complains about FIFA's position but didn't equally complain about the treatment handed out to Corbyn and Milliband are freaking hypocrites and are disgracing our war dead.
They don't deserve to wear the poppy and they make me sick to my stomach and are a million times more corrupt than FIFA.”
Good grief.
Look I think the rule is stupid if I was in charge of FIfa I would never implement it and I also wear a poppy around remembrance.
However...look at it from Fifa's point of view. First of all, yes the poppy itself is worn across all political parties and the soldiers it commemorates were not political, but wars ARE political. The wars we commemorate were all commissioned by politicians for one reason or another which since a war always has to have 2 sides, must have a political element.
Secondly, we in the UK are biased when it comes to this. We love the poppy and think it is a great symbol. I bet though if we looked at some other commemorative symbols across the world we might have a different view, maybe we would even use the word terrorists. Remember, these things are in the eye of the beholder. "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" and all that. I know from personal experience here in Northern Ireland that some people think the poppy is a disgrace and they wear commemorative symbols to the IRA who they consider their soldiers. Now I think they are wrong but I would say that wouldn't I? Who is more right, me or them? Who judges who is more right?
So taking all that into account I can see why Fifa have a policy to disallow anything like this, even if I don't agree.
However...look at it from Fifa's point of view. First of all, yes the poppy itself is worn across all political parties and the soldiers it commemorates were not political, but wars ARE political. The wars we commemorate were all commissioned by politicians for one reason or another which since a war always has to have 2 sides, must have a political element.
Secondly, we in the UK are biased when it comes to this. We love the poppy and think it is a great symbol. I bet though if we looked at some other commemorative symbols across the world we might have a different view, maybe we would even use the word terrorists. Remember, these things are in the eye of the beholder. "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" and all that. I know from personal experience here in Northern Ireland that some people think the poppy is a disgrace and they wear commemorative symbols to the IRA who they consider their soldiers. Now I think they are wrong but I would say that wouldn't I? Who is more right, me or them? Who judges who is more right?
So taking all that into account I can see why Fifa have a policy to disallow anything like this, even if I don't agree.
Surely wearing a poppy for your average Joe, is more in memory of those who died. Not a political statement.
Originally Posted by Gordon g:
“Surely wearing a poppy for your average Joe, is more in memory of those who died. Not a political statement.”
“Surely wearing a poppy for your average Joe, is more in memory of those who died. Not a political statement.”
That's exactly what it is, but it has been attacked by those with mainly anti English leanings, who try to make it a political symbol, without considering the actual reason behind it.
Originally Posted by MinnieMinz:
“That last statement made me laugh. Is that even possible? I happily wear a poppy not as a symbol of political stance at all, but for all our war dead. If that makes you "sick to your stomach", then perhaps you are not as high up on your horse as you seem to think you are.”
“That last statement made me laugh. Is that even possible? I happily wear a poppy not as a symbol of political stance at all, but for all our war dead. If that makes you "sick to your stomach", then perhaps you are not as high up on your horse as you seem to think you are.”
Don't you agree that it's hypocritical to use it as a political tool, as rememerance has been to attack Corbyn and Milliband, and then complain when FIFA regard it as a political symbold?
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Well said. I'm sick of these people claiming it is now a political symbol, just because politicians discuss it.
It is what it is, a symbol of remembrance, and of all the organisations to call foul on, it is almost laughable that FIFA have the cheek to do so.”
“Well said. I'm sick of these people claiming it is now a political symbol, just because politicians discuss it.
It is what it is, a symbol of remembrance, and of all the organisations to call foul on, it is almost laughable that FIFA have the cheek to do so.”
it`s been politicised by the edl, britain first and their ilk.
Originally Posted by dosanjh1:
“Don't you agree that it's hypocritical to use it as a political tool, as rememerance has been to attack Corbyn and Milliband, and then complain when FIFA regard it as a political symbold?”
“Don't you agree that it's hypocritical to use it as a political tool, as rememerance has been to attack Corbyn and Milliband, and then complain when FIFA regard it as a political symbold?”
No, because for the ordinary people who wear it, who may have lost members of their own families to war, it is not a political symbol, but one of remembrance to those who died. Those who claim it is political, simply so they can try and ban it are ignorant arseholes.
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“it`s been politicised by the edl, britain first and their ilk.”
“it`s been politicised by the edl, britain first and their ilk.”
It's been hi-jacked by their cause, in the same way as the union flag has been. Still doesn't make it political in and of itself.
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“No, because for the people who wear it, who may have lost members of their own families to war, it is not a political symbol, but one of remembrance to those who died. Those who claim it is political, simply so they can try and ban it are ignorant arseholes.”
“No, because for the people who wear it, who may have lost members of their own families to war, it is not a political symbol, but one of remembrance to those who died. Those who claim it is political, simply so they can try and ban it are ignorant arseholes.”
No. Those who claim its political read the newspapers and see what the government do and say and they see a double standard.
If it's not a political symbol for you fine but I would expect you to be as angry with the treatment handed out to Corbyn every year as you are with FIFA.
If your not angry - then your just a self righteous hypocrit
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