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FIFA now intolerant of fans wearing poppies !
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annette kurten
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“It's been hi-jacked by their cause, in the same way as the union flag has been. Still doesn't make it political in and of itself.”

it does make it inflammatory fifa would be failing in its duties if it did not take steps to avoid football violence.
Deep Purple
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“it`s been politicised by the edl, britain first and their ilk.”

Well we dont just let those fools decide what something is, we use it the way millions of others do, and what it is intended to be.
Deep Purple
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“No, because for the ordinary people who wear it, who may have lost members of their own families to war, it is not a political symbol, but one of remembrance to those who died. Those who claim it is political, simply so they can try and ban it are ignorant arseholes.”

I'm with you all the way here.
blueblade
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by dosanjh1:
“No. Those who claim its political read the newspapers and see what the government do and say and they see a double standard.

If it's not a political symbol for you fine but I would expect you to be as angry with the treatment handed out to Corbyn every year as you are with FIFA.

If your not angry - then your just a self righteous hypocrit”

Angry about what?

The only thing I'm angry about are the self righteous officials at FIFA who seem determined to stifle any form of tradition and spit on our war dead by trying to ban fans from wearing a poppy.

As far as me being a self righteous hypocrite for supporting my fellow countrymen in commemorating our war dead - utter crap. Corbyn can do as he chooses. If he doesn't wear a poppy then he won't be prosecuted for it. Which is a damn sight more freedom than some countries have.
annette kurten
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Well we dont just let those fools decide what something is, we use it the way millions of others do, and what it is intended to be.”

it`s still been politicised, it`s still inflammatory it still therefore has no place at a football match, given that football violence IS a problem and it IS a problem that is getting worse. again.
blueblade
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“it does make it inflammatory fifa would be failing in its duties if it did not take steps to avoid football violence.”

Why would wearing poppies incite football violence?
Dub2
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Angry about what?

The only thing I'm angry about are the self righteous officials at FIFA who seem determined to stifle any form of tradition and spit on our war dead by trying to ban fans from wearing a poppy.

As far as me being a self righteous hypocrite for supporting my fellow countrymen in commemorating our war dead, utter crap. Corbyn can do as he chooses. If he doesn't wear a poppy then he won't be prosecuted for it. Which is a damn sight more freedom than some countries have.”

Which countries prosecute people for not wearing an entirely voluntary, non political badge?

I would argue that the UK is the world centre for badge wearing. Nobody takes badge wearing more seriously than the British.
blueblade
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by Dub2:
“Which countries prosecute people for not wearing an entirely voluntary, non political badge?

I would argue that the UK is the world centre for badge wearing. Nobody takes badge wearing more seriously than the British.”

I know we have a great deal more freedom than many, largely due to the sacrifices our predecessors in the UK made, during two world wars.
Dub2
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Why would wearing poppies incite football violence?”

Perhaps from people who consider themselves victims of British military aggression?
Deep Purple
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“it`s still been politicised, it`s still inflammatory it still therefore has no place at a football match, given that football violence IS a problem and it IS a problem that is getting worse. again.”

I think we saw where the main source of football violence came from in the Euros, and it was nothing to do with poppies.

I dont see a link at all, and what we saw where there were tributes were fans stood together to remember those lost.
blueblade
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by Dub2:
“Perhaps from people who consider themselves victims of British military aggression?”

Let me know when it happens.

As far as I know in all the years of us wearing poppies, nobody has got violent about it yet, in or out of football matches.
Dub2
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“I know we have a great deal more freedom than many, largely due to the sacrifices our predecessors in the UK made, during two world wars.”

I don`t know. I cant think of a single other country where a soccer player would get death threats for not wearing a voluntary, non political, peace badge on his kit.
Deep Purple
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by Dub2:
“Perhaps from people who consider themselves victims of British military aggression?”

The Irish again. We know we'll never do anything right for the likes of you.
Deep Purple
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by Dub2:
“I don`t know. I cant think of a single other country where a soccer player would get death threats for not wearing a voluntary, non political, peace badge on his kit.”

Social media entails stupid death threats for anything in this day and age. You'll find other countries where threats, and acts actually mean something.
MinnieMinz
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“it`s still been politicised, it`s still inflammatory it still therefore has no place at a football match, given that football violence IS a problem and it IS a problem that is getting worse. again.”

I think the elements of society that embrace and take part in football violence, do it for the "rush" of adrenaline and the fight or flight response. Proving they're "a man" to their fellow neanderthals. If anything, the poppy would bring them together, unless it was an international match against the Germans for instance. I can understand, but not like why they might think that was unacceptable, almost baiting if it wasn't the right time of year.
Dub2
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Let me know when it happens.

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You asked the question. Do you accept that poppy wearing might incite violence in such circumstances?
annette kurten
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Why would wearing poppies incite football violence?”

Quote:
“'bloostained poppy' (sic) banner”

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion...celtic-4604153

Quote:
“FIFA is not completely bereft of principles; and perhaps more importantly, it also has quite clear guidelines. The organisation has to create a neutral arena in which national teams can compete, free from the influence or burden of politics. Creating a precedent that could be exploited to these ends in the future is a dangerous thing.

Of course, England’s complaint is that the poppy has no political connotations; but this doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny. Ask an Iraqi, an Afghan, a German, an Argentine, or a national of any of the countries Britain has fought against since the Haig Fund was established and they may beg to differ. The poppy appeal acknowledges the sacrifice of British soldiers, but the sacrifices made by others, fighting for other governments and other ideologies mean that politics inevitably colours the frame.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/don-...b_1086357.html

there`s more where they came from.
blueblade
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by Dub2:
“You asked the question. Do you accept that poppy wearing might incite violence in such circumstances?”

No....
MinnieMinz
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion...celtic-4604153



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/don-...b_1086357.html

there`s more where they came from.”

But this is similar to say a Muslim burning the poppies. We know and we don't assume all Muslims feel that way. So why is it ok for people to lock down a nation showing respect for a few ignorant fans?
Dub2
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“The Irish again. We know we'll never do anything right for the likes of you.”

Ah well, at least you are honest enough to acknowledge that hate and racism fuel your annual poppy rage.
blueblade
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion...celtic-4604153



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/don-...b_1086357.html

there`s more where they came from.”

I'll run with a quote from your Huffington Post article:-

Quote:
“Like many fellow Brits, I respect and admire those who have made the ultimate sacrifice in the many wars this country has fought. I put my money in the tin, make a donation to the Poppy Appeal and, throughout the week that it’s on my jacket, I remember the dead - and the huge sacrifice they have made for my family and my country. I don’t wear it every minute of the day but I don’t need to. It’s a personal gesture and a private decision.”

Precisely, and sod all to with some prat at the offices of the endlessly corrupt FIFA
Deep Purple
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by Dub2:
“Ah well, at least you are honest enough to acknowledge that hate and racism fuel your annual poppy rage.”

I think you'll find the reverse is the case. I dont hate the Irish. I despair at the endless hatred that comes from your end generation after generation, because of the past, and a refusal to live life by todays standards. This is a similar tract to the extremist Islamic groups who will carry on the hatred for ever.

You also think it is your right to abuse the English at will, without anything in return.

I dont hate the Irish, but I hate the extremists who carry on this endless campaign of anti Britishness.
Deep Purple
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion...celtic-4604153



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/don-...b_1086357.html

there`s more where they came from.”

I dont think bringing up a group of IRA lovers is justification that the poppy will cause football violence. This lot hate us full stop, whether we have poppies or not.
annette kurten
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by MinnieMinz:
“But this is similar to say a Muslim burning the poppies. We know and we don't assume all Muslims feel that way. So why is it ok for people to lock down a nation showing respect for a few ignorant fans?”

Originally Posted by blueblade:
“I'll run with a quote from your Huffington Post article:-



Precisely, and sod all to with some prat at the offices of the endlessly corrupt FIFA”

fifa STILL have a duty to perform whether you agree with the ban or you don`t and poppies ARE inflammatory at matches.

there`s not really much more to say really other than fifa are responding to the behaviour of twatty supporters.
MinnieMinz
24-11-2016
Originally Posted by annette kurten:
“fifa STILL have a duty to perform whether you agree with the ban or you don`t and poppies ARE inflammatory at matches.

there`s not really much more to say really other than fifa are responding to the behaviour of twatty supporters.”

There's a lot more to say actually. Change the poppy for a ISIS flag. Now a few supporters are waving that flag, so does FIFA then ban all flags? does it hell. There is no difference in connotation whatsoever. Also, those supporters waving that flag would be rightly removed, as it's the flag of terrorism. The poppy is not a terrorism symbol and people treating it as such are often to ones to be found shouting loudest about freedom of speech. Until it concerns something they disagree with.
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