No they are not inflammatory. The only people who ever got worked up about them were a tiny group of ISIS supporters a few years ago.


How dare they follow their conscience, stick two fingers up at a totally dishonest, corrupt organisation, and honour our war dead. The nerve of these people.

They'll never let it go DP. I mean the loyalists in the North still babble on about King Billy beating King James in 16 bloody 89 or however many centuries it was ago. I think long standing grudges goes with the territory.

Also this. I'm not sure what's happening today, you and Blueblade are talking a lot of sense. Have you two had extra wheetabix this morning?

Ironically enough, on most subjects we actually agree 100% MM.

Thanks anyway.

i`ll keep it simple:

football violence has long been a serious problem.

a few decades ago the powers that be quite rightly clamped down hard upon it.

poppies have been demonstrated to be incendiary at football matches.

this thread is about banning poppies.

fifa can ban all the flags and flowers it wishes for all i care.

i hope that clarifies.

I'll also keep it simple.

The poppy is not an aggressive symbol.

The few idiots using it as such, shouldn't be allowed to dictate to the rest.

Football violence mainly stems from interclub rivalry from a few knuckleheads, not the poppy.

the shoulds and shouldn`ts of what the children are doing in the schoolyard are not my point.

my point is that the industry is, should and needs to be eliminating violence as much and robustly as possible, it is a global problem that is again on the rise.

and it needs to be seen to be doing it.

if the children cannot play nicely we take the toys away.

Fifa are doing no such thing. They are using an opportunity to have a go at England in the main, because the English media caused them so much bad publicity over the years, and they have not liked the English FA over the years either.

Poppies have not caused any football violence, and poppies are not a political symbol, so therefore not in breach of the rules. Fifa, and too many people at home, are trying to change what it is, and the majority are not having it.

I beg to differ, it seems to be your only point. Football violence was horrific in the 70s and 80s, worse than now. What was to blame then? you say you're not bothered about what the children in the playground are doing, but it's your whole stance. FIFA are punishing the British for exposing the internal and external bribes. In any petty way they can, and dressing it up as containing football violence. It's both insulting and ridiculous.

If what you say is grounds for banning it, then by that token all flags would be banned from matches because of the few idiots waving ISIS flags. It's a valid point, why don't you attempt to answer it.

Your utterly missing the point.

Your a hypocrite if on the one hand you don't complain about the media and the government using it as a political symbol but then complain when FIFA treat as such.

yes, that`s what i said and i`m sorry that you still can`t grasp it, the rest is completely irrelevant to my only point.

i`m sorry it`s a wooooooosh i`ve already explained it as simply as i can.

No they're not, it's just a few idiots and from what I recall ISIS supporters so sort them out.

No I'm not missing any point. The difference is that neither the government nor the media is telling me that I can't wear a poppy at a football match, whereas an utterly corrupt organisation is.

and stop calling me a hypocrite, mate. It's really starting to piss me off.

I have to call a spade a spade. You've failed to acknowledge my point about the poppy being used In political manner so you leave me no choice..

I hope that clarifies.

are you 12?

Yes, although I blame the sofa - the armchair is innocent


Totally agree.

Just because some idiots try to make it political doesn't mean it is. The vast majority see it as what it is intended for.

I remember the outcry when Miliband didn't write his own card. Almost every talking head condemned him. They're probably the same morons who object to FIFAs position.

Your point is totally irrelevant.

I won't descend into the default sneering leftie stance of dishing out personal insults to those who have the nerve to disagree with them, although with you it would be very easy.

That's their problem then and anyone who attacks a poppy wearer for that reason should be dealt with by the law.

Will you ever stop making inflammatory comments about the Irish

So you think all irish feel this way do you

You hate people making generalisations about the British yet it's fine for you to make sweeping generalisations aboutthe irish.

BIB, maybe you missed the last sentence in the post you replied to?

Excuse me but loyalists are not irish nor do all irish people hate the English