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Old 24-11-2016, 18:25
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With my 14yo daughter. I'll let you know what she thinks!
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Old 24-11-2016, 18:33
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She's very excited about Moaning Myrtle being in it.
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Old 24-11-2016, 19:37
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good luck with the end
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Old 24-11-2016, 19:43
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good luck with the end
Indeed. I found that really uncomfortable viewing - and I'm a 48 year old bloke without kids!
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Old 24-11-2016, 19:53
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good luck with the end
Indeed. I found that really uncomfortable viewing - and I'm a 48 year old bloke without kids!
Perhaps it will just go over her head?

(Spoils Love and Monsters imo. Why did RTD have to put it in?)
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Old 24-11-2016, 20:09
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Perhaps it will just go over her head?
behave yourself, please
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Old 24-11-2016, 20:16
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behave yourself, please
Actually, for probably the first time on here, I had no double entendre in mind when I posted that.
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Old 24-11-2016, 20:22
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i loved "Love and Monsters"

I thought it was exuberant, playful, funny and full of confidence in it's Doctor-lite-ness. I didn't mind Peter Kay too much, maybe some of the voices were a bit silly
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Old 24-11-2016, 20:34
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i loved "Love and Monsters"

I thought it was exuberant, playful, funny and full of confidence in it's Doctor-lite-ness. I didn't mind Peter Kay too much, maybe some of the voices were a bit silly
I agree. I don't know why it gets such a bad press.
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Old 24-11-2016, 20:47
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With my 14yo daughter. I'll let you know what she thinks!
Oddly even though RTDs worse episodes, according to the fans are not his best like This, fear her and etc. I still actually like them, as I just find it still exciting, adventerous, humourous and probably because David Tennant and his Companion could still hold up the episode.

Btw have you ever thought of taking your daughter to a Con event?
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Old 24-11-2016, 21:11
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This is a family forum. Do we need to throw this filth at our Who kids?! Tut.

I wasn't really sure what to make of this episode initially waaaay back in 2006. Said as much to a non-fan but viewer mate at the time, and he suggested I was ambivalent because he thought it was taking the pee out of Who fans like me. The cad. On rewatch I found a lot to enjoy. Decent cast (had never seen Warren or Henderson before) experimental, rather touching script, a really atypical Who story. Interesting! Just thought it went completely t*ts up in the final third, tbh! Certainly after the Kaye 'reveal', anyway.

It's an oddity, and that's cool. Glad it exists! Just wont think too much about poor old Ursula and what the hell happened to her stuck in her slab. I mean, say if Elton got run over or something, never mind the 'love life' bit?!

eta Sorry, overthinking it! Be interesting to hear a new reaction....
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Old 24-11-2016, 21:51
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I remember at the time thinking it was the worst episode so far, but I think that initial opinion was a lot to do with the shock of it being the first episode where the doctor and companion barely appeared, and it featured no time travel.

Since that initial viewing, i've watched it a few times since, and whilst I don't consider it a classic, it certainly has certain good points - a study of those who encounter the Doctor, a look into those involved with the Doctors companions (Jackie).

Since the trash of In the Forest of the NIght and Night Terrors, in comparison my estimation of the quality of Love and Monsters has gone up when in comparison to those two.

All in all, I'd say it's a rather mundane story for who, but a well written one.
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Old 24-11-2016, 22:52
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I think this episode pretty much represents RTD for me in that he can come up with a great idea, and then completely ruin it with poor writing. What I never understood about his era is that, when normal life was such a big focus of it, why did he always make a point of how boring and uninteresting it was?

Seriously, the premise for this episode could have made for a Doctor Who classic in the hands of a better writer. But instead we got Peter Kay running around in a rubber suit, how to flirt like Jackie Tyler, and blowjob jokes from a concrete slab. I almost actually missed Ten and Rose.
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Old 24-11-2016, 23:10
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I haven't seen it for a while. I forgot it's got loads of really great scenes. All the stuff with Jackie Tyler is brilliant. It is a bit silly in places but it really doesn't deserve the bad press.
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Old 24-11-2016, 23:43
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LINDA. Missed spin off opportunity
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Old 25-11-2016, 08:24
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Its still 100% better than Sleep No More - most of season 9 in fact
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Old 25-11-2016, 09:51
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Its still 100% better than Sleep No More - most of season 9 in fact
What did your daughter think of it, Mulett?
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Old 25-11-2016, 10:13
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What did your daughter think of it, Mulett?
She was sat on the sofa at first, only half watching because she was pretending to do her sewing homework. She was really perplexed and, to be honest, a little irritated at first by the way the episode is framed (Elton's video diary). She asked about three times "Is the whole episode like this?".

But she liked that she was able to recognise the other stories referenced in Elton's opening montage - the ship-window dummies from 'Rose', and then the spaceship crashing into Big Ben from 'Aliens of London' and finally the Sycorax spaceship from 'The Christmas Invasion'.

And the moment Moaning Myrtle turned up she put the pretend homework down and started watching. She did laugh a lot during the episode - especially Elton's long speech about the impossible task of finding the Doctor's companion in a huge city like London, followed by Bella Emberg's superb cameo ("Oh, that's Rose Tyler").

And then, at the end, she was just really puzzled at how cold the Doctor was - not offering any help to the people the Abzorbaloff had already absorbed, and leaving poor old Ursula as a paving slab. She did manage a disapproving "Ugh" at the blow-job gag. But overall she did enjoy it, albeit with some reservations.

And, as I said, there are some lovely scenes here. Jackie's speech about the people who get left behind, and that lovely montage as LINDA evolves from a 'find the Doctor' club to more of a social gathering. And the heartbreaking reveal at the end about the night Elton first met the Doctor as a child.

In many ways it is a really well crafted, very human story. Perhaps the most human of any Doctor Who story, focussing on a group of ordinary people and the devastating impact on their lives of simply being on the peripheries of the Doctor's world.

I don't think it works 100% but it is a lot better than its given credit for.
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Old 25-11-2016, 10:23
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I loved this story. It's a hymn to the "little people" and how a bully can spoil everything. And it's hilarious ("Clom").
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Old 25-11-2016, 10:29
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I loved this story. It's a hymn to the "little people" and how a bully can spoil everything. And it's hilarious ("Clom").
Clom is such a funny line!
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Old 25-11-2016, 10:47
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Never though i'd hear so much love for this episode.
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Old 25-11-2016, 11:08
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She was sat on the sofa at first, only half watching because she was pretending to do her sewing homework. She was really perplexed and, to be honest, a little irritated at first by the way the episode is framed (Elton's video diary). She asked about three times "Is the whole episode like this?".

But she liked that she was able to recognise the other stories referenced in Elton's opening montage - the ship-window dummies from 'Rose', and then the spaceship crashing into Big Ben from 'Aliens of London' and finally the Sycorax spaceship from 'The Christmas Invasion'.

And the moment Moaning Myrtle turned up she put the pretend homework down and started watching. She did laugh a lot during the episode - especially Elton's long speech about the impossible task of finding the Doctor's companion in a huge city like London, followed by Bella Emberg's superb cameo ("Oh, that's Rose Tyler").

And then, at the end, she was just really puzzled at how cold the Doctor was - not offering any help to the people the Abzorbaloff had already absorbed, and leaving poor old Ursula as a paving slab. She did manage a disapproving "Ugh" at the blow-job gag. But overall she did enjoy it, albeit with some reservations.

And, as I said, there are some lovely scenes here. Jackie's speech about the people who get left behind, and that lovely montage as LINDA evolves from a 'find the Doctor' club to more of a social gathering. And the heartbreaking reveal at the end about the night Elton first met the Doctor as a child.

In many ways it is a really well crafted, very human story. Perhaps the most human of any Doctor Who story, focussing on a group of ordinary people and the devastating impact on their lives of simply being on the peripheries of the Doctor's world.

I don't think it works 100% but it is a lot better than its given credit for.
I'm glad she enjoyed it, overall. Interesting that she thought the Doctor was cold for not helping the absorbees - as I remember it he was devastated about not being able to do more to help - maybe I just thought that because it was Ten.
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Old 25-11-2016, 12:42
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Never though i'd hear so much love for this episode.
Even if it's not particularly successful overall, I kind of admire *any* story that tries to shake up and play around with the format and experiment a bit. Even taking into account the last 10 minutes or so, which are pretty dreadful IMO, somewhat redeemed by Elton's final speech and the lovely last shot, at least this story was trying to do something different. I'm glad such 'Marmite' episodes exist. They'll always have they're champions...as well as getting a bit of a kicking from others!
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Old 25-11-2016, 12:54
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Old 25-11-2016, 14:18
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Even if it's not particularly successful overall, I kind of admire *any* story that tries to shake up and play around with the format and experiment a bit. Even taking into account the last 10 minutes or so, which are pretty dreadful IMO, somewhat redeemed by Elton's final speech and the lovely last shot, at least this story was trying to do something different. I'm glad such 'Marmite' episodes exist. They'll always have they're champions...as well as getting a bit of a kicking from others!
I agree. Despite its flaws, I enjoy the slightly brave, slightly experimental nature of this episode in telling the story not from the PoV of the Doctor and companion, but from the Elton's PoV. In a traditional story Elton and the LINDA members would be "guest characters of the week" and the action would still revolve around the Doctor and companion.

Overall though, it's still a weak episode because of Peter Kay, the awful monster (sorry, kid) and the dubious "slab" ending.

Star Trek :The Next Generation tried this approach with the episodes First Contact and Lower Decks. Babylon 5 did as well with the episode A View from the Gallery.
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