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Crying women is a good way of gaining sympathy. Its a good way of getting your boss onside. Crying women means the girls never quite grow up
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Crying women is a good way of gaining sympathy. Its a good way of getting your boss onside. Crying women means the girls never quite grow up
Why do you assume that their tears weren't genuine? They looked genuinely distraught to me. I don't know why so many people are lacking compassion. If I see someone in distress I feel empathy for them. |
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Crying women is a good way of gaining sympathy. Its a good way of getting your boss onside. Crying women means the girls never quite grow up
I never cried through a painful labour, never cried after a very painful major op yet can find myself shedding tears over the simple things in life - a newspaper article, inspirational video...I need to grow up I suppose. OK. |
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Crying women is a good way of gaining sympathy. Its a good way of getting your boss onside. Crying women means the girls never quite grow up
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I posted this on the main thread as well....
To be fair to Jessica and Frances, I can understand the crying if it wasn't fake. I'm a professional, intelligent woman but if i get frustrated i tend to cry. I can't help it, even when i know the situation doesn't warrant crying it just starts and it's very hard to stop! I wondered if LS had sympathy with them because the stress of working with someone as aggressive as Paul might have got to them.
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Paul was a mug who talked back to Sugar. Why are you surprised he went. He has been aggressive to everyone in the process and deserved to go.
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I mean, a massive bulky guy was being loud and aggressive to two young women, not letting them get a word in edge ways. It's quite understandable that they were crying.
Yeah she did say that, she's 29 with 3 daughters. |
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It is not acceptable in business to push a partner to tears - how about we talk about that?
I have never cried at work - even though it came very close once. I was in charge of an event our company was running, and it was my first time with 100% control, and I had a meeting to brief everyone upon their roles on the day. Most of the floor team came in with a respectful attitude, which was undermined when my two managers came in and acted like children, ignored the purpose of the meeting, mixed up the materials I had prepared, opened post during the meeting etc. This bad attitude spread to some of the others, until one colleague kindly helped by asking everyone to be quiet so he could hear from me what the plan was. The near-miss on crying came the next day, when I had a private meeting with one of the managers in question and - respectfully - told him that his behaviour was unacceptable, and it had been a very poor way to treat a colleague. The crying almost happened when he continually tried to explain how I should have behaved better - not accepting his own complete failure to act responsibly and set a good example. I was emotional and incredibly frustrated but just about held it together. That was a couple of years ago (I was still only 25 at that point), and I have a lot more confidence now - in fact, I've recently talked to the CE about respect in the company and have improved his behaviour towards staff in general. He's taken it on board, and touch wood, there have been no incidents of rudeness since. But really, can't we talk about courtesy and professionalism in business, not complain about those who get upset as if it's their problem? Oh and I thought Jessica - given her meltdown on the jeans episode - actually handled Paul's attack very well on the day all things considered. I was glad Sugar finally told a candidate to stop talking over another one. |
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No matter how edited or exhausted they are (actually they probably go through a hideous amount of nonsense through their stint on the show), there's just no need for all the tears.
These people aren't serious business people, they're just wannabe reality stars. |
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When flashing the flesh doesn't work, turn on the tiny-tears!
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I think it's unfair to always assume tears are fake. Some people (myself included) are more prone to crying in emotional or stressful situations and if you are one of these people there is actually nothing you can do to stop it.
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No matter how edited or exhausted they are (actually they probably go through a hideous amount of nonsense through their stint on the show), there's just no need for all the tears.
These people aren't serious business people, they're just wannabe reality stars. But it can't necessarily be helped. Have you tried holding back tears when you've reached breaking point? It's easier said than done. |
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When flashing the flesh doesn't work, turn on the tiny-tears!
Especially since when have Jessica or Frances ever flashed any flesh? To be fair I imagine if one of the male candidates did business with an attractive female they'd give her a big smile and turn on the charm. |
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To be fair I imagine if one of the male candidates did business with an attractive female they'd give her a big smile and turn on the charm.
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Tears can also be a sign of anger that's not taking an aggressive form. It isn't necessarily a means of getting sympathy but of not expessing anger openly or to the person causing it. Too easily expressed anger got the right person fired.
None of the three had good self control but two of them were able to hold back enough from coming across as aggressive. Aggression isn't an attractive characteristic. Tears aren't either in this context but at least that gives other people more choices about how to react. Faced with someone aggressive, it can seem as if there's only one sensible choice in case the situation gets worse - get away from them. I can't imagine Paul as anyone's business partner. |
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I'm not a fan of Jessica but her tears were understandable and seemed real to me. Paul had absolutely no respect for her at all from the very beginning. It must be very frustrating to have a domineering figure like him shit you down aggressively when you're trying to defend yourself and your place in the show is at stake. This is before we even take into account that the previous night he had aggressively confronted her in a room full of clients and humiliated her by shouting and trying to cause an argument. Felt sorry for Jessica and think the tears were more out of anger than anything else.
Fran is a different matter altogether. The less said about her, the better |
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Between the vituperative vitriol towards Karren and now this, the whole Apprentice sub-forum smacks very unhealthily of misogyny.
![]() Both girls were a bit teary but neither was flat-out 'blubbering'. Women generally tend to be more emotional than men, they're not all Katie Hopkins or Margaret Thatcher. Whatever his name was that got fired (forgotten already) was being an absolute boorish arsehole, though it was nice to see all three civil enough to say their goodbyes after the boardroom. |
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It is possible that Frances was set off by Jessica but I'm not sure there have been that many tearful women in the past 11 series -- one or two after being fired, perhaps, but did anyone cry in the boardroom itself? -- so we need to be careful in our rush to protect Jessica, of saying this is something all women do.
If Jessica's friends are stuck for Christmas present ideas, they should club together to buy her a course with a clinical psychologist or other psychotherapist who can teach her first to recognise when she is getting flustered; then coach her in better coping mechanisms than talking at a million miles an hour, gasping for air, then bursting into tears. |
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I'm not a fan of Jessica but her tears were understandable and seemed real to me. Paul had absolutely no respect for her at all from the very beginning. It must be very frustrating to have a domineering figure like him shit you down aggressively when you're trying to defend yourself and your place in the show is at stake. This is before we even take into account that the previous night he had aggressively confronted her in a room full of clients and humiliated her by shouting and trying to cause an argument. Felt sorry for Jessica and think the tears were more out of anger than anything else.
er I have worked for some complete dragons in my time but common courtesy in the business place would decree that you don't continually shout down somebody else's opinion, if it were a proper workplace situation Paul could very well have been up before an industrial tribunal for the way he treated her. I think the men on here are failing to realise quite how frustrating it must be for a woman to be shouted down by a man with no chance of defending herself. Woman have naturally higher pitched voices and are never going to be able to compete in that sort of shout out, even Margaret Thatcher had elocution lessons to learn to speak in a lower timbre to be taken more seriously. |
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Abhorrent comment. I hope your boss finds out how little you evidently think of your female colleagues. Back in your cave.
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It is not acceptable in business to push a partner to tears - how about we talk about that?
I have never cried at work - even though it came very close once. I was in charge of an event our company was running, and it was my first time with 100% control, and I had a meeting to brief everyone upon their roles on the day. Most of the floor team came in with a respectful attitude, which was undermined when my two managers came in and acted like children, ignored the purpose of the meeting, mixed up the materials I had prepared, opened post during the meeting etc. This bad attitude spread to some of the others, until one colleague kindly helped by asking everyone to be quiet so he could hear from me what the plan was. The near-miss on crying came the next day, when I had a private meeting with one of the managers in question and - respectfully - told him that his behaviour was unacceptable, and it had been a very poor way to treat a colleague. The crying almost happened when he continually tried to explain how I should have behaved better - not accepting his own complete failure to act responsibly and set a good example. I was emotional and incredibly frustrated but just about held it together. That was a couple of years ago (I was still only 25 at that point), and I have a lot more confidence now - in fact, I've recently talked to the CE about respect in the company and have improved his behaviour towards staff in general. He's taken it on board, and touch wood, there have been no incidents of rudeness since. But really, can't we talk about courtesy and professionalism in businessperson, not complain about those who get upset as if it's their problem? Oh and I thought Jessica - given her meltdown on the jeans episode - actually handled Paul's attack very well on the day all things considered. I was glad Sugar finally told a candidate to stop talking over another one. |
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It is possible that Frances was set off by Jessica but I'm not sure there have been that many tearful women in the past 11 series -- one or two after being fired, perhaps, but did anyone cry in the boardroom itself? -- so we need to be careful in our rush to protect Jessica, of saying this is something all women do.
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The OP makes a point about "crying women", what I would like to know is, are they only fine with men crying then?
![]() Personally, I thought it probably wasn't the most appropriate time for Frances and Jessica to lose control. But, given the circumstance, it was at least understandable. |
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The whole thing was a production put up job to go along with the theme of episode which was a tyrannical male bullying women. Watch any previous series to note heavy aggression wantonly displayed by both genders on both genders.
Bib - especially in the interview stages, and almost every week by Sugar! Quote:
The OP makes a point about "crying women", what I would like to know is, are they only fine with men crying then?
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Sorry, I'm a woman and I agree that some women use their bodies and emotions to get on in the world. Good luck to them.
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