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Old 27-11-2016, 21:48
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Paul kept shouting them down like the ill mannered neanderthal he is so how exactly were they supposed to get their point across?
How do you deal with a screaming child?
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Old 27-11-2016, 21:52
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Paul kept shouting them down like the ill mannered neanderthal he is so how exactly were they supposed to get their point across?
So the way to deal with gobby knuckle draggers like Paul is the burst into tears on-cue?

They could try acting like grown adults & not like school children.
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Old 27-11-2016, 21:53
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and what does that make bullies?

I never cried through a painful labour, never cried after a very painful major op yet can find myself shedding tears over the simple things in life - a newspaper article, inspirational video...I need to grow up I suppose. OK.
No you don't - the poster does though.
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Old 27-11-2016, 22:24
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How do you deal with a screaming child?
Put them on the naughty step, smack their bottoms, take away their pocket money Mind I'm sure I've seen some parents crying in frustration with their offspring. Crying isn't a coping mechanism as a such, more an uncontrollable emotional reaction.
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Old 27-11-2016, 22:54
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I think if someone was shouting me down as Paul was when I was being asked to account for myself I'd walk out and say I'd be back when they'd calmed down and I would be allowed to speak but I'm not sure what LS would make of that as it wouldn't make good TV.
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Old 28-11-2016, 00:07
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So the way to deal with gobby knuckle draggers like Paul is the burst into tears on-cue?

They could try acting like grown adults & not like school children.
Grown adults cry. It's not always something that can be controlled.

Acting like a "gobby knuckle dragger" though, is entirely controllable.
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Old 28-11-2016, 04:54
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I think if someone was shouting me down as Paul was when I was being asked to account for myself I'd walk out and say I'd be back when they'd calmed down and I would be allowed to speak but I'm not sure what LS would make of that as it wouldn't make good TV.
Did Paul really shout anyone down? Paul's problem seemed to be that he'd start his refutation before the other person (including Lord Sugar, so it is not just as if he was bullying those poor, defenceless women) reached the end of their sentence.

Surely the other factor in Jessica getting flustered was that fundamentally Paul was right and Jessica and Frances had between them lost the task, and that every defence she put forward was immediately shot down. Frances was trying to play both ends against the middle, and perhaps got caught up in the emotionally fraught atmosphere.

Paul was rightly fired for his "anger management issues" especially blowing up in front of the customers (although answering back to Lord Sugar might have weighed more heavily in the decision making process) but otherwise Jessica or Frances might easily have been fired for losing the task.

Ironically, Jessica breaking down might have served to distract from her real weakness as a candidate for Lord Sugar's £250,000 -- she is out of control. Just like Sofiane, she goes off and does her own thing without apparent regard for the team, business principles or basic common sense.
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Old 28-11-2016, 07:48
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So the way to deal with gobby knuckle draggers like Paul is the burst into tears on-cue?

They could try acting like grown adults & not like school children.
It was pretty clear that even Sugar could see that jessica was driven to it out of pure frustration.

Frances however is a different story. She saw an opportunity to manipulate the situation but I definitely feel Jessicas were real.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:37
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The girls were lucky that Sugar is quite old fashioned when it comes to gender roles. If one of the men had cried, he`d have been brutal. I used to work in a secondary school and some of the new teachers would come out of the more difficult classes and burst into floods of tears in the staffroom. It became a battle to suppress tears while in the class, as once the kids see a teacher cry it's game over, really. The same can be said for crying in front of your boss about work issues. It's just unprofessional and leads to loss of respect.
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:46
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The crying is actually quite awful to see, it's not representative of most professional females in the workplace.
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:47
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The girls were lucky that Sugar is quite old fashioned when it comes to gender roles. If one of the men had cried, he`d have been brutal. I used to work in a secondary school and some of the new teachers would come out of the more difficult classes and burst into floods of tears in the staffroom. It became a battle to suppress tears while in the class, as once the kids see a teacher cry it's game over, really. The same can be said for crying in front of your boss about work issues. It's just unprofessional and leads to loss of respect.
I agree with this.
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Old 07-12-2016, 11:12
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The girls were lucky that Sugar is quite old fashioned when it comes to gender roles. If one of the men had cried, he`d have been brutal. I used to work in a secondary school and some of the new teachers would come out of the more difficult classes and burst into floods of tears in the staffroom. It became a battle to suppress tears while in the class, as once the kids see a teacher cry it's game over, really. The same can be said for crying in front of your boss about work issues. It's just unprofessional and leads to loss of respect.
Am I unprofessional then because just the same as a previous poster I naturally get teary at the most inappropriate moments for instance when speaking one on one to a line manager. Who knows why, it just happens and I try my hardest to suppress it. Not been sacked for it yet!!
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Old 07-12-2016, 11:14
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The crying is actually quite awful to see, it's not representative of most professional females in the workplace.
I agree that crying is awful to see but unfortunately also proves the point that none of these people - men and women - are hardly "professional".
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Old 07-12-2016, 11:14
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The crying is actually quite awful to see, it's not representative of most professional females in the workplace.
It's representative of me and hasn't really occurred in previous series' from what I can remember.
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Old 07-12-2016, 12:07
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[quote=holymolybaloney;84817330]Am I unprofessional then because just the same as a previous poster I naturally get teary at the most inappropriate moments for instance when speaking one on one to a line manager. Who knows why, it just happens and I try my hardest to suppress it. Not been sacked for it yet!![/QUOTE]




Well that's true enough because we are all different - and very pleased you have not been sacked yet because you need to fund all the tissues !
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Old 07-12-2016, 12:15
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[quote=Cats_Eyes;84817737]
Am I unprofessional then because just the same as a previous poster I naturally get teary at the most inappropriate moments for instance when speaking one on one to a line manager. Who knows why, it just happens and I try my hardest to suppress it. Not been sacked for it yet!![/QUOTE]




Well that's true enough because we are all different - and very pleased you have not been sacked yet because you need to fund all the tissues !
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Old 08-12-2016, 11:46
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I'm going to speak up for Frances and say that her tears were genuine and resulted from the realisation that she has been in the final boardroom more than anybody, was in it at that moment and was being shouted down by Paul who practically turned on her.

She was THE most vulnerable one in there so she'd have to be made of iron to not let her emotions crack just a little...

Her tears really moved me and, if she was trying it on, she should take up acting because I was convinced...
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Old 08-12-2016, 14:05
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I think they now know that those who cry are going to be dealt with gently so more and more are indulging in it. In the real world, habitual weepers are rarely promoted to a high rank as adults are expected to be able to manage their emotions especially regarding conflict in the workplace. The first time Alana cried in Ep 1 Sugar coldly asked her to leave the boardroom until she was composed and Karren looked disgusted with her.

Since then they have decided that crying girls make for good TV and keep them in the room.
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Old 08-12-2016, 19:21
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those that cry need to grow up and man up after all its just a stupid game show, its not like their lives depend on it and its a case of life and death
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Old 08-12-2016, 22:12
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those that cry need to grow up and man up after all its just a stupid game show, its not like their lives depend on it and its a case of life and death
To be frank, yes. It is a game show, and contestants know this. There's not an execution squad waiting outside the doors. There's plenty of other ways to pursue your business investement. I do wish certain of the women would grow some balls, particularily now in the late stages when they're yelling 'girl power' and what not.
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:47
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It's representative of me and hasn't really occurred in previous series' from what I can remember.
The only time I can remember anyone getting upset in the boardroom was Saira Khan who was wiping her eyes in the BR and then was visibly upset / crying after she left said room. Series 1 IIRC.
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Old 10-12-2016, 17:20
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To be frank, yes. It is a game show, and contestants know this. There's not an execution squad waiting outside the doors. There's plenty of other ways to pursue your business investement. I do wish certain of the women would grow some balls, particularily now in the late stages when they're yelling 'girl power' and what not.
As a business owner and non exec director of several companies, I am simply another professional and my gender in the workplace is immaterial.

No, I don't cry if someone is aggressive, rude or insulting, I remain assertive and know how to handle myself in the face of men behaving badly.

Occasionally as the only female in a meeting, a chap might ask me if I 'want to be mother' when the the coffee comes out. A simple 'no thanks, mines a black coffee with no sugar please' deals with it neatly.
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Old 10-12-2016, 23:32
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id suggest to the OP that peoples emotional response of crying is out of their control as much as someone ranting about their annoyance of people crying on a internet forum.
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Old 13-12-2016, 23:38
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id suggest to the OP that peoples emotional response of crying is out of their control as much as someone ranting about their annoyance of people crying on a internet forum.
Haha. I am very much in control of my rant, because I had a point to make. Now crying, for crying's sake, is point-less. And, yes, it is fully possible, and necessary, to supress your feelings in business.
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