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Not 'more than' and i never said that but it certainly makes their testimony extremely credible. Don't you believe that?
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I have read all your comments on this thread and there is indeed a common theme. That on this occasion we should believe the complainants. The implication appears to me that you regard other complainants in other cases as less credible , why is that ?
You never answered my question. Why don't you believe that to be the case? |
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Not 'more than' and i never said that but it certainly makes their testimony extremely credible. Don't you believe that?
It would appear that rather like Saville et al many will come forward. We cannot then doubt them all can we ? The insidious abuse of children is utterly reprehensible , it has gone on for ever. I applaud anyone who who has the courage to step up. But this is not a new phenomena, others have stepped up before and indeed been decried and belittled for their courage. |
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I would almost always believe the testimony of a child.
It would appear that rather like Saville et al many will come forward. We cannot then doubt them all can we ? The insidious abuse of children is utterly reprehensible , it has gone on for ever. I applaud anyone who who has the courage to step up. But this is not a new phenomena, others have stepped up before and indeed been decried and belittled for their courage. Trial by media, witch hunts or pitchfork 'justice' has never been something i'm sympathetic to so i am always cautious over allegations of historical sex abuse but the only ones i can think of who've been 'decried and belittled' are those cases later found to be proven false. The post Savile legacy uncovered a wake of historic sex abuse as he went to the comfort of his grave from which the seeds of Operation Yewtree grew resulting in endless court trials of some notable people. Some undoubtedly guilty as hell (Glitter etc) and rightly imprisoned, some questionable, and others investigated with their lives publicly turned inside out, only for it to be dropped but not after they'd been through the wringer. Of the latter i'm thinking in particular of Paul Gambaccini, Cliff Richard, William Roache, Michael Le Vell. More recently there was "Nick" whose testimony over historical child sex abuse was viewed by Scotland Yard as 'very credible and true'. "Nick" is now being investigated by Scotland Yard for attempting to pervert the course of justice. |
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With this case we are dealing with testimonies of adults even though the offences occurred when children. Imo all those i've heard up to now have been extremely strong compelling witness accounts. I'm not just listening or even reading about them though, i'm seeing their body language because they are there, in front of me, albeit on a tv screen. They have stepped forward with the courage of their convictions and Bennell is looking at spending the rest of his life in prison. However i also think many serious questions need addressing elsewhere, ie within the hierarchy of the FA.
Trial by media, witch hunts or pitchfork 'justice' has never been something i'm sympathetic to so i am always cautious over allegations of historical sex abuse but the only ones i can think of who've been 'decried and belittled' are those cases later found to be proven false. The post Savile legacy uncovered a wake of historic sex abuse as he went to the comfort of his grave from which the seeds of Operation Yewtree grew resulting in endless court trials of some notable people. Some undoubtedly guilty as hell (Glitter etc) and rightly imprisoned, some questionable, and others investigated with their lives publicly turned inside out, only for it to be dropped but not after they'd been through the wringer. Of the latter i'm thinking in particular of Paul Gambaccini, Cliff Richard, William Roache, Michael Le Vell. More recently there was "Nick" whose testimony over historical child sex abuse was viewed by Scotland Yard as 'very credible and true'. "Nick" is now being investigated by Scotland Yard for attempting to pervert the course of justice. There will always be a very few who will pehaps jump on the band wagon for various reasons, it's inevitable. And no doubt this particular investigation will bring forth such people. Our condemnation of peadophillia should be across the board, from familial , vulnerable , racial and opportunistic. No one group holds the moral high ground and should be defended more rigourously than any other. Children, all children are vulnerable and need to be protected. |
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Disgusting comments from Eric Bristow.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-arent-9354804 I didn't know that a rugby player had been sexually abused too. |
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Anyone else?
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I wouldn't worry about Bristrow. It's Darts. Something you're supposed to do when drunk in a pub, not make it your profession.
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I played for a boys team in the 70s, and we had an old fella as assistant coach who some of the lads said was a nonce. Basil was his name. If you got kicked he'd come tottering onto the pitch with his bucket and sponge, and even if you were in complete agony, you'd make sure you were up and limping away before he could get to you.
Thinking about it, it did speed up the game. |
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Bennell charged with sex offences http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38150244
"Former football coach Barry Bennell has been charged with eight offences of sex assault against a boy aged under 14, prosecutors have said. The Crown Prosecution Service said it had received a file of evidence from Cheshire Police relating to allegations of historical abuse." |
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Bennell charged with sex offences http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38150244 " Former football coach Barry Bennell charged with eight offences of sex assault against boy under 14, say prosecutors "
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This will just be the beginning with many more to follow. I'm glad Bennell's suicide attempt was unsuccessful.
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Me too. Hope he rots behind bars.
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I'd like to believe there will be serious questions asked regarding the FA's accountability too though. Of course we didn't have 'duty of care' back then (in the same manner as today) but employers certainly had legal responsibilities. The clubs in question, their management as well as that of FA officials at that specific time, must come under scrutiny.
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Too little too late though, damage is done.
![]() Eight offences now, and counting. https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/stat...44386504544256 |
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A seventh police force, Cambridge, has now added to the growing number of investigations.
https://www.channel4.com/news/barry-...d-sex-offences |
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Disgusting comments from Eric Bristow.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-arent-9354804 I didn't know that a rugby player had been sexually abused too. |
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I'd like to believe there will be serious questions asked regarding the FA's accountability too though. Of course we didn't have 'duty of care' back then (in the same manner as today) but employers certainly had legal responsibilities. The clubs in question, their management as well as that of FA officials at that specific time, must come under scrutiny.
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Disgusting comments from Eric Bristow.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-arent-9354804 I didn't know that a rugby player had been sexually abused too. Give me Jocky Wilson or John Lowe any day. |
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The vast majoity of people who coach youngsters are good people but there have always been a few who will abuse their power to explain to some kids what they need to do to get in the team and stay in the team.
These are the people who should now be concentrated on. |
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The vast majoity of people who coach youngsters are good people but there have always been a few who will abuse their power to explain to some kids what they need to do to get in the team and stay in the team.
These are the people who should now be concentrated on. |
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Bristow always was a **nt.
Give me Jocky Wilson or John Lowe any day. |
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Didn't some band have a massive hit in the 80's with a song about Jocky Wilson?
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It was "Jackie Wilson Said" by Dexy's Midnight Runners. Famously, TOTP mistook "Jackie" for "Jockey "and stuck up a huge picture of the latter by the stage while they were performing the song. I remember watching it as a kid at the time and thinking - mmm, not sure the song is meant to be about him...
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Another reason for the homophobes to say all gay men are paedos.
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Is this said a lot then? It's not something I've ever heard anyhow.
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