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It was "Jackie Wilson Said" by Dexy's Midnight Runners. Famously, TOTP mistook "Jackie" for "Jockey "and stuck up a huge picture of the latter by the stage while they were performing the song. I remember watching it as a kid at the time and thinking - mmm, not sure the song is meant to be about him...
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A stupid , unfair and ignorant comment from you
I am not saying it shouldn't be on the news, I said it shouldn't be continually dominating the news, when it was already known about for years As for something being "stupid, unfair and ignorant" well that's a pretty good way to describe this thread being started. |
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The vast majoity of people who coach youngsters are good people but there have always been a few who will abuse their power to explain to some kids what they need to do to get in the team and stay in the team.
These are the people who should now be concentrated on. The vast majority of people aren't paedophiles, but the public would be horrified to know the number of people who are sexually excited by under age people of all ages. If any men reading this has suffered sex abuse as a child, three organisations that might be able to help are: M power https://helplines.org/helplines/mpower/ Survivors UK https://www.survivorsuk.org National Association for people who have been abused in childhood http://napac.org.uk Help organisations are saying that one good thing about the latest revelations is that it involves football, which a lot of men can relate to, so they are finding that men who have kept this to themselves for many years feel a little more comfortable discussing it many years later. These organisations have people who have suffered abuse themselves. I'm sure that it must help to be an to speak to someone who can truly understand the effects of sexual abuse in childhood. |
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We cannot keep moving from "Don't believe the Children" to "Believe the Children" and then back again.
Soap Actor: Don't Believe the Children Politicians: Don't Believe the Children Football Coaches: Believe the Children. What will happen if a former Child Footballer phones the help line and his name just happens to be "Nick"? |
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Wow, 860 footballers have now reported being sexually abused, including David Restock from Newcastle United
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And another one on Channel 4 news tonight. This pervert has gone to his grave but the numbers calling in are rising daily. 17 police forces now involved and already said to be the biggest child sex abuse inquiry known.
https://www.channel4.com/news/rapid-...se-allegations |
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Ex Chelsea player Gary Johnson now saying that he was paid £50,000 to keep quiet about being abused
![]() Child sex abuse seems to be much larger than anybody ever imagined. An ITV poll said that 86% of people had either been sexually abused as a child, or knew someone that had. After Savile and sport, it makes you wonder which industry will be next
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An ITV poll said that 86% of people had either been sexually abused as a child, or knew someone that had.(
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Are you sure about that? 86% sounds very high and I can't find the poll you speak of.
It was announced here: http://www.itv.com/loosewomen Should now be on the ITV Hub if you want to watch it
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An ITV poll said that 86% of people had either been sexually abused as a child, or knew someone that had.
Why not just give the actual percentage of people who've been abused as a child or would that not have the shock factor they're looking for?
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Seems to me like ITV are trying to sensationalize the issue by including "knew someone that had" in the percentage. What exactly is that supposed to mean?
Why not just give the actual percentage of people who've been abused as a child or would that not have the shock factor they're looking for? ![]() Bennell's crimes are at the worst possible end of the scale raping and abusing young boys though i suspect there were more than him involved. I was disappointed though not surprised to hear the latest revelation of a footballer being paid off at £50k by a club to keep his mouth shut. That makes them complicit. |
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We cannot keep moving from "Don't believe the Children" to "Believe the Children" and then back again.
Soap Actor: Don't Believe the Children Politicians: Don't Believe the Children Football Coaches: Believe the Children. What will happen if a former Child Footballer phones the help line and his name just happens to be "Nick"? |
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We cannot keep moving from "Don't believe the Children" to "Believe the Children" and then back again.
Soap Actor: Don't Believe the Children Politicians: Don't Believe the Children Football Coaches: Believe the Children. What will happen if a former Child Footballer phones the help line and his name just happens to be "Nick"? |
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Don't worry, the "they're only in it for the compo" crowd will be along in force soon.
What makes you think they're not here? |
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What makes you think they're not here?
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Whenever something is in the news, certain people join in, and because of the problems of recent such cases, extra care needs to be taken to ensure that the genuine complaints are addressed, and that the likes of "Nick" are sifted out, but that's easier said than done.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...d-live-updates What has made this case so different imo (apart from the sheer scale) is the men have waived the right to anonymity and gone openly public. Of course all the men were young boys at the time, some very young. |
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Don't worry, the "they're only in it for the compo" crowd will be along in force soon.
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Unfortunately that's always trotted out but generally where there is doubt. I don't believe that to be the case here with this.
This isn't a top trump situation, this is a sickness that has blighted children and teens from all walks of life. Girls and boys. There will always be. A tiny minority who will try to capitalise on it from all sections. They don't really matter in the scheme of things, believing children , all children is paramount. Why have you said that " in this instance " they should be believed ? |
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Unfortunately that's always trotted out but generally where there is doubt. I don't believe that to be the case here with this.o
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Ex Chelsea player Gary Johnson now saying that he was paid £50,000 to keep quiet about being abused
![]() Child sex abuse seems to be much larger than anybody ever imagined. An ITV poll said that 86% of people had either been sexually abused as a child, or knew someone that had. After Savile and sport, it makes you wonder which industry will be next ![]() Royal Mail? Coal Mining? |
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Why have you no doubt? When do you have doubt, in which cases?
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Since I believe that most of the children /teens reporting abuse regardless of the circumstance , be it football coaches , media stars or uncles I find your inference odd. In what way have these guy have more veracity ?
This isn't a top trump situation, this is a sickness that has blighted children and teens from all walks of life. Girls and boys. There will always be. A tiny minority who will try to capitalise on it from all sections. They don't really matter in the scheme of things, believing children , all children is paramount. Why have you said that " in this instance " they should be believed ? Fwiw this particular thread topic concerns the sexual abuse and raping of young boys. As far as i'm aware there have not been any girls abused by Bennell or any other club employee. I'm not sure what reason you have for shoehorning every other possible figure or scenario into the equation but am quite aware that child abuse per se takes place with both genders committed by male and female abusers. Quote:
Why have you no doubt? When do you have doubt, in which cases?
Hope thats clarified it for you? |
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I expect, like drug taking in sport, bung taking in sport, and so on, a lot of people knew what was going on, but are unable to say so because of libel laws and so on.
I just started another thread about Chelsea. Eva Carneiro, and Eddie Heath. Not the same issue, but indicative of the shabbiness in football. |
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With regards to Edward Heath. It's not a witch-hunt says Wiltshire Chief Constable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...MCNEWEML6619I2 |
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I expect, like drug taking in sport, bung taking in sport, and so on, a lot of people knew what was going on, but are unable to say so because of libel laws and so on.
I just started another thread about Chelsea. Eva Carneiro, and Eddie Heath. Not the same issue, but indicative of the shabbiness in football. Quote:
Twice is very careless.
Eva Carneiro, and now Eddie Heath. |
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