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Old 26-11-2016, 09:55
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This thread has been closed as DS don't believe it to be appropriate to speculate on any more footballers that were sexually abused.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2190885

Bearing this in mind, I've created this thread to discuss this unfolding story.
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Old 26-11-2016, 09:59
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It is terrible and horrifying what these people have had to go through, more power to them for finding the strength of character to open up, and to tell their stories to the public.
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Old 26-11-2016, 10:01
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On seeeing your original thread closed, I posted this in the neutrals thread

Thought I'd re-post it in your new thread

This is going to be a huge story


Top football clubs made secret payments to buy the silence of young players sexually abused by coaches, The Telegraph can disclose, as the growing scandal threatened to engulf the sport.

A well-placed source said a number of clubs, including at least one Premier League team, had paid compensation to footballers but only after victims had signed confidentiality agreements so strict that along with their families and lawyers they are banned from saying publicly if the cases even existed.

The revelation will fuel concern that the national game has covered up historic sexual abuse for years.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...payments-keep/
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Old 26-11-2016, 10:04
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This is going to get very big.
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Old 26-11-2016, 10:11
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This is going to get very big.
Or shut down fast once again, depends on which direction it goes in I suppose.
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Old 26-11-2016, 10:14
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This is a terrible story, and shows that these predators can operate in any walk of life where they have access to children.

Football is just the latest place where it has come to light.
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Old 26-11-2016, 10:18
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Or shut down fast once again, depends on which direction it goes in I suppose.
I meant the story, not the thread!
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Old 26-11-2016, 11:02
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I meant the story, not the thread!
Yep. You only have to think the number of clubs, the number of coaches, the number of young players etc....... the potential is just huge. Let's hope that's not realised.
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Old 26-11-2016, 11:31
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I don't envy anyone who has to enter the boardroom or the press office at Gresty Road in the next few days, that's for sure.

They'll have to firstly deal with the claims from a former Crewe board member that the club were given notice of Bennell's behaviour in the late 80s - contradicting Dario Gradi's claims that Crewe only became aware when Bennell was arrested in the 1990s - and declined to dismiss him or indeed do anything of a disciplinary nature.
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Old 26-11-2016, 11:58
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Seems that no part of the nations life was safe from paedophiles or from cover ups.
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Old 26-11-2016, 12:19
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It's not as if this hasn't happened in other sports, so why the big shock that it's being exposed now in football I'm not sure. The disturbing thing is that it's taken so long to emerge.

Sport would have been an easy target for any sort of rings, due to the nature of young talent needing training/coaching. If historically it's been swept aside or covered up in other walks of life, you can rest assured it's done the same in sports.
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Old 26-11-2016, 12:33
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It's not as if this hasn't happened in other sports, so why the big shock that it's being exposed now in football I'm not sure. The disturbing thing is that it's taken so long to emerge.

Sport would have been an easy target for any sort of rings, due to the nature of young talent needing training/coaching. If historically it's been swept aside or covered up in other walks of life, you can rest assured it's done the same in sports.
Indeed. By their very nature, predatory paedophiles are going to home in on activities where adults can gain access to children like sport, television, religion, teaching etc.

I take my hat off to the footballers who have gone public about this.

It's bad enough for females to admit to being abused or raped by men, but I truly believe that it's worse for males, especially in the macho world of football.

Heck, they are only just beginning to grasp that idea that gay men can play/support football!

I know of a football referee and a rugby player that daren't 'come out' and we're in 2016!!!
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Old 26-11-2016, 17:41
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I personally think, people should be keeping a close eye across all sports

They will be drawn to work anywhere, that puts them into contact with young people

Schools, Surf Schools, Youth Clubs, Scouts, All Sports, Foster Homes
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Old 26-11-2016, 18:46
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I personally think, people should be keeping a close eye across all sports

They will be drawn to work anywhere, that puts them into contact with young people

Schools, Surf Schools, Youth Clubs, Scouts, All Sports, Foster Homes
Lets be up to date here, it's now harder to get jobs working with young people than it used to be, lots of police checks that weren't in place when some of the players who have come forward were being attacked.

That doesn't mean some will slip through the cracks, but it's far safer now.
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Old 26-11-2016, 19:05
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True, but just because someone has a clean CRB check doesn't mean that they aren't a paedophile.

I know of a man whose into underage girls that teaches sport who has one.
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Old 26-11-2016, 19:09
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It's not as if this hasn't happened in other sports, so why the big shock that it's being exposed now in football I'm not sure. .
Because its the worlds biggest sport in one of the main countries its played in against a recent backdrop of similar shocking stories. Its obviously going to be big news and cause shock to some if the scale being talked about is true.
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Old 27-11-2016, 09:29
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True, but just because someone has a clean CRB check doesn't mean that they aren't a paedophile.

I know of a man whose into underage girls that teaches sport who has one.
Really? Have you done anything about it?
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Old 27-11-2016, 10:20
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I'll honest, I don't know how I feel about this news story.

I can see that for the individual, the admission that it happened and ability to talk to an appropriate professional may help them resolve personal issues. I can also see that going public might encourage others to come forward to get help.

It cannot be a surprise that individuals that have already been convicted of offences may be guilty of other crimes and of course it may be that new charges may be appropriate for them or for people hitherto unidentified.

I am less clear what investigations of what did or didn't happen within individual clubs or sports 20 or 30 years ago will achieve. I was slightly disappointed to hear Dino Nocivelli explaining that they are pursuing actions against many clubs and organisations across a wide range of sports and activities and that football is naturally just the most high profile of these. So is this about looking for compensation as well as justice and recovery?
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Old 27-11-2016, 11:12
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The FA have announced an enquiry

The Football Association has confirmed it is investigating allegations of sexual abuse in football.

Former footballers have been coming forward to say they were sexually abused as youth players.

A hotline set up by the NSPCC has already received more than 100 calls.

The FA said: "We are working closely with the police to support their lead investigations and must ensure we do not do anything to interfere with or jeopardise the criminal process."

The FA has instructed independent leading counsel Kate Gallafent QC to assist it with its review.

The FA added that the internal review will look at what information the FA was aware of at relevant times around the issues, which clubs were aware and what action was, or should have been taken.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38121724

Can't say I'm that confident of the FA investigating their own
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Old 27-11-2016, 11:14
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Really? Have you done anything about it?
He's living with his partner who is now of age who he's been with since she was 13. They both denied any underage sexual activity when someone else called the police.

Does mean she's got him over a barrel though

I'll honest, I don't know how I feel about this news story.

I can see that for the individual, the admission that it happened and ability to talk to an appropriate professional may help them resolve personal issues. I can also see that going public might encourage others to come forward to get help.

It cannot be a surprise that individuals that have already been convicted of offences may be guilty of other crimes and of course it may be that new charges may be appropriate for them or for people hitherto unidentified.

I am less clear what investigations of what did or didn't happen within individual clubs or sports 20 or 30 years ago will achieve. I was slightly disappointed to hear Dino Nocivelli explaining that they are pursuing actions against many clubs and organisations across a wide range of sports and activities and that football is naturally just the most high profile of these. So is this about looking for compensation as well as justice and recovery?
If people have been sexually abused as children they are entitled to be compensated for it. The threat of violence and the dangling carrot of fame was dangled in front of them so that these young footballers would participate in sexual activity with men (including penetration, which must have hurt).

Besides, aren't a lot of victims of these rich ex footballers anyway?

I doubt they'd put themselves & their families through all this just for the money if these allegations aren't true.

The same thing was said right at the beginning of the Savile incidents as they came to light.
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Old 27-11-2016, 11:19
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Because its the worlds biggest sport in one of the main countries its played in against a recent backdrop of similar shocking stories. Its obviously going to be big news and cause shock to some if the scale being talked about is true.
There was always going to be some story at some point, be it swept under the carpet and dealt with behind closed doors, or it was going to explode as it has and the size and potential scale was going to be huge as well. That's the thing that I struggle with, as it now seems other sports are being investigated, I'd say we'll find cases in most professional sports in the country unfortunately for the reasons already posted.

To explain what I mean by swept under the carpets, not in being ignored, but cases could be dealt with by the proper authorities without the media knowing, and precautions implemented by the clubs and authorities without much fuss that the media/public would be none the wiser. I'm not suggesting that it would be ignored.
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Old 27-11-2016, 13:39
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I found it upsetting to see all those footballers in tears on the Victoria Derbyshire show:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8c3w48mLMKI
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Old 27-11-2016, 16:15
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Just been discussing this with friends.

Schoolboy soccer will attract paedophiles like a moth to a light.

If anyone has a young lad who plays for one of these teams, it might be an idea to sit him down and ask if anything untoward has happened when training, playing football etc.
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Old 27-11-2016, 17:33
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Just been discussing this with friends.

Schoolboy soccer will attract paedophiles like a moth to a light.

If anyone has a young lad who plays for one of these teams, it might be an idea to sit him down and ask if anything untoward has happened when training, playing football etc.
So not if they have daughter? Talk about scaremongering?
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Old 27-11-2016, 19:23
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There was always going to be some story at some point.
Why was there always going to be a story at some point? Have you known Football is apparently rife with paedophiles for a while then?
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