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Old 29-11-2016, 15:26
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Pure lack of education on Bristow's part Its the same mentality that allowed cases such of this to be either not discovered or covered up.
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Old 29-11-2016, 18:12
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The beauty of freedom of speech is that it lets us all see what an ignorant c*nt Bristow is.
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Old 29-11-2016, 18:22
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Ex-youth football coach Barry Bennell, who is at centre of a sex abuse scandal, has been taken to hospital after an incident attended by police.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38134941
Suicide attempt?
Just seen this confirmed on TV as a suicide attempt.
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Old 30-11-2016, 13:02
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Just seen this confirmed on TV as a suicide attempt.
Shame it failed then.
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Old 30-11-2016, 13:44
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Shame it failed then.
I disagree, as it now means that he'll have to face up to his actions and accept the punishment.

This is also one of the reasons why I don't agree with the death penalty.

If any men reading this has suffered sex abuse as a child, three organisations that might be able to help are:

M power https://helplines.org/helplines/mpower/

Survivors UK https://www.survivorsuk.org

National Association for people who have been abused in childhood http://napac.org.uk

Help organisations are saying that one good thing about the latest revelations is that it involves football, which a lot of men can relate to, so they are finding that men who have kept this to themselves for many years feel a little more comfortable discussing it many years later.

These organisations have people who have suffered abuse themselves. I'm sure that it must help to be an to speak to someone who can truly understand the effects of sexual abuse in childhood.
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Old 30-11-2016, 13:49
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I disagree, as it now means that he'll have to face up to his actions and accept the punishment.

This is also one of the reasons why I don't agree with the death penalty.

If any men reading this has suffered sex abuse as a child, three organisations that might be able to help are:

M power https://helplines.org/helplines/mpower/

Survivors UK https://www.survivorsuk.org

National Association for people who have been abused in childhood http://napac.org.uk

Help organisations are saying that one good thing about the latest revelations is that it involves football, which a lot of men can relate to, so they are finding that men who have kept this to themselves for many years feel a little more comfortable discussing it many years later.

These organisations have people who have suffered abuse themselves. I'm sure that it must help to be an to speak to someone who can truly understand the effects of sexual abuse in childhood.
He has already been to jail before, I think most people would wish him dead.
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Old 30-11-2016, 16:08
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Well, I think we all knew it wouldn't be limited to the North of England.

I just wished it hadn't been my club (along with Cambridge) that had been implicated.
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Old 30-11-2016, 19:12
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He has already been to jail before, I think most people would wish him dead.
I agree, what a filthy monster he is.
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Old 01-12-2016, 15:06
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I understand where you're coming from, but if he were to be humanely executed*,in my view, he will have got away with it.

* If the UK were to ever reintroduce the death penalty, it would unthinkable for it to be done in any way other than humanely.

Which is worse out of these scenarios:

- If you don't believe in life after death and are executed, it will all go black and he will receive no punishment from his peers.

- If you do believe in life after death (as I do), he will go on with his existence elsewhere and receive no punishment from his peers on this earth (though what will happen with regards to any evil deeds done whilst here is for another thread!)

- Imprisonment. He will lose his liberty, be regarded inside as a 'Nonce' and probably treated with disdain, possibility for the rest of his natural life here, by staff and other inmates.

It will be boring & he will hopefully have nothing else to do but reflect on his crimes and hopefully come around to genuine remorse.

He obviously doesn't want to go back to prison, hence the suicide attempt, so it can't be an easy ride as some would have us think!
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Old 02-12-2016, 06:54
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Gary Johnson says Chelsea paid him £50,000 for silence about abuse

Johnson says he was sexually abused in the 1970s after being groomed from the age of 13 by club’s then chief scout Eddie Heath, who has since died

It has been reported that Chelsea made a payment to an individual in the last three years following allegations regarding Heath. Johnson has waived his anonymity to say he was the former player in question.

“I think that they were paying me to keep a lid on this,” Johnson said in the Daily Mirror, which reported that Chelsea had waived the confidentiality clause in Johnson’s settlement, which was made in 2015.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ce-about-abuse
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Old 02-12-2016, 09:48
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Gary Johnson says Chelsea paid him £50,000 for silence about abuse

Johnson says he was sexually abused in the 1970s after being groomed from the age of 13 by club’s then chief scout Eddie Heath, who has since died

It has been reported that Chelsea made a payment to an individual in the last three years following allegations regarding Heath. Johnson has waived his anonymity to say he was the former player in question.

“I think that they were paying me to keep a lid on this,” Johnson said in the Daily Mirror, which reported that Chelsea had waived the confidentiality clause in Johnson’s settlement, which was made in 2015.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ce-about-abuse
If this is true, it will be interesting to see if the FA go through with their pledge to severely punish any club, large or small.
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Old 02-12-2016, 10:00
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If this is true, it will be interesting to see if the FA go through with their pledge to severely punish any club, large or small.
I wonder what sort of punishments are possible, as a fine will mean nothing at all to Chelsea or any other big club, the only real punishment that they might understand is demotion to a lower league, but I severely doubt that The FA would ever do this.
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Old 02-12-2016, 13:09
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WMP now

West Midlands Police has said it is investigating four historical allegations of child abuse in football.

The force said it was in the process of speaking to complainants and providing support through its specialist team of officers.
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Old 02-12-2016, 13:45
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I wonder what sort of punishments are possible, as a fine will mean nothing at all to Chelsea or any other big club, the only real punishment that they might understand is demotion to a lower league, but I severely doubt that The FA would ever do this.
I guess a you are saying that a fine for a cover up of sexual abuse at manchester united would mean nothing to them (because they can afford to pay)?

I think it would have meaning in a wider sense, rather than financial.
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Old 02-12-2016, 13:46
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...wow.
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Old 02-12-2016, 14:48
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I guess a you are saying that a fine for a cover up of sexual abuse at manchester united would mean nothing to them (because they can afford to pay)?

I think it would have meaning in a wider sense, rather than financial.
If you had read my post, I was talking about any big or prominent club, of which Manchester United are, thankfully as of yet we have not been dragged into this sordid situation.
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Old 02-12-2016, 15:12
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Child sex abuse seems to be much larger than anybody ever imagined.

An ITV poll said that 86% of people had either been sexually abused as a child, or knew someone that had.

After Savile and sport, it makes you wonder which industry will be next
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Old 02-12-2016, 15:36
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I guess a you are saying that a fine for a cover up of sexual abuse at manchester united would mean nothing to them (because they can afford to pay)?

I think it would have meaning in a wider sense, rather than financial.
It seems to have been rife right through society in the 60s. Every organisation that had adults with kids seems to have been targeted. And they all failed to do anything about it. It was little understood, and most people just wanted it to be swept under the carpet as it was too shocking to think about.
Things have been different for the last 20 years or so. Organisations are all aware of "safeguarding" and what their duties are - and that includes a legal obligation to report suspicious activity to the police.
I think that any club that has been actively covering up over the last 20 - 30 years is guilty of serious criminal offences. They would deserve all they get by way of fines and bad publicity. And it doesn't really matter who they are.
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Old 02-12-2016, 17:39
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The saddest thing about this story or indeed the wider story of abuse generally is that the media are guilty of not investigating abuse when it was actually happening. The BBC were quite rightly held to account for their abject failure in dealing with Saville when stories first emerged about him but surely the wider media should look at themselves and are also responsible for their abject failure for not investigating abuse 20-30 years ago not just Saville but entertainment as a whole and also as we now are seeing football and probably many other sports especially as these abusers had easy access to children.
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Old 03-12-2016, 08:31
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It seems to have been rife right through society in the 60s. Every organisation that had adults with kids seems to have been targeted. And they all failed to do anything about it. It was little understood, and most people just wanted it to be swept under the carpet as it was too shocking to think about.
Things have been different for the last 20 years or so. Organisations are all aware of "safeguarding" and what their duties are - and that includes a legal obligation to report suspicious activity to the police.
I think that any club that has been actively covering up over the last 20 - 30 years is guilty of serious criminal offences. They would deserve all they get by way of fines and bad publicity. And it doesn't really matter who they are.
For it to be so rife in so many different areas of society just shows that it was , dare I say, accepted? I dont think it was too shocking to think about, they just did nothing about it. The BBC, the church, football, sport, education, everywhere. Safeguarding as we know it did not exist.

The same is true of racism in that era
The same is true of sexism in that era
Why can't it be true about child abuse?

There is a difference in clubs who have covered up child abuse and those clubs who have paid victims for their non publicity after the abuser has been dealt with by the law. But you are correct, it doesn't sit right with me neither.

What I do think is that the fa will not be fining clubs, as they were part of it themselves. They are up to their neck in it.

When you think back, I'm shocked on how society let these things happen. But in 30 years will society look back on our generation and be shocked at what we are in denial about in 2016?

We still have child abuse, we specifically have white girls preyed upon by a certain demographic in society. It's covered up, it's not allowed to be spoken about, so much that I don't even want to type it in this forum.

Yes thankfully I believe things are better now, certainly in things heavily regulated like education and top level sport. But there are huge areas still vulnerable, which is terrifically sad and unacceptable.
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Old 03-12-2016, 09:31
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If you had read my post, I was talking about any big or prominent club, of which Manchester United are, thankfully as of yet we have not been dragged into this sordid situation.
Whoopee, your team is not involved. Glory, glory.

This is not a situation where any fan should be point scoring.
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Old 03-12-2016, 10:01
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And he isn't.
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Old 03-12-2016, 10:13
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Ok then,
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Old 03-12-2016, 10:13
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Not sure of the legal situation, but could the Chairman/CEO /etc be held responsible ?

Corporate Governance or something similar ?
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:29
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Child sex abuse seems to be much larger than anybody ever imagined.

An ITV poll said that 86% of people had either been sexually abused as a child, or knew someone that had.

After Savile and sport, it makes you wonder which industry will be next
Really? That number seems ridiculous, have you got a link?
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