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Well it is factual in the sense that ITV did a poll and this was the result.
Does seem pretty high though, hopefully it's not a true representation of the problem. |
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What sort of poll though? The kind where people phone to say yes or no? Unless it's a MORI poll or similar then it is about as statistically valid as stopping random people in the street.
Imagine it's sensationalist, just to get people talking or clicking on their site. Please do not treat these statistics as factual or valid. It is not an estimate of the percentage of how many children in the uk have suffered from sexual abuse. |
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What sort of poll though? The kind where people phone to say yes or no? Unless it's a MORI poll or similar then it is about as statistically valid as stopping random people in the street.
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Why is a MORI poll acceptable?
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Because it's possibly done by professionals rather than a couple of runners on a crappy tv show?
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Fair enough, but it is not as if even the major polling companies have a good reputation at the moment for accuracy.
However the results of a tv company survey should be taken with the same pinch of salt as Jeremy kyles lie detectors. |
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Why is a MORI poll acceptable?
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Because there is a statistical basis to what they do. I know they have messed up with the elections but they were only a few percent out. If you just ask people to vote in a phone poll you are basically saying that 86% of people watching ITV at that time of the morning said yes to the question. You would get a completely different result if you asked at a different time of day.
Its absolute garbage. |
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Because there is a statistical basis to what they do. I know they have messed up with the elections but they were only a few percent out. If you just ask people to vote in a phone poll you are basically saying that 86% of people watching ITV at that time of the morning said yes to the question. You would get a completely different result if you asked at a different time of day.
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That's a wildly simplistic view.
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Being a few percent out is still getting it wrong though, no matter how big or small they were out.
For example, try doing a poll on whether people like football on the politics forum and then do one on the football forum and see how similar they are. |
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As per today's Channel 4 news, police chiefs now say that 98 football clubs in Britain are now involved in the child abuse enquiry.
83 suspects have now been identified as potentially interfering with young footballers. |
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All this will really affect the trust in the Youth systems now - just at a time when the FA are trying to encourage more players to come through.
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All this will really affect the trust in the Youth systems now - just at a time when the FA are trying to encourage more players to come through.
Today they have real safeguards in place. Previously they had little or none and those they did have was at best paying lip-service to rules |
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Crewe Alexandra's Dario Gradi suspended by FA following claims he 'smoothed over' sex assault complaint
Crewe have opened an independent inquiry into suspected abuse. Last week a former youth player at Chelsea, where Gradi was assistant coach, claimed he was assaulted by chief scout Eddie Heath at 15 in 1974. He told one paper Gradi visited his family, claiming: “He came to smooth it over. I remember him saying something like, ‘(With) Eddie, (football) is his life and he gets a bit close to the boys. I’m sorry if he’s overstepped the mark’.” Heath died in the Eighties. The mother of a former youth team player at Crewe told BBC2’s Victoria Derbyshire show she wrote an anonymous letter to Gradi in 1989 or 1990. She said it asked him to investigate a staff member taking “boys into his room” on a weekend in Blackpool. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...pended-9434053 |
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Dario knew?
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Dario knew?
I didn't realise that he used to work at Chelsea Guessing that it's pure co-incidence that Crewe are embroilled in this as well |
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Guessing that it's pure co-incidence that Crewe are embroilled in this as well |
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That's not what the article says, read it again.
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Today they have real safeguards in place.
Apart from a DBS check what can be done? If the abused is too scared to report the abuser then any check that an employer can do will come back clear. |
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Do they really though?
Apart from a DBS check what can be done? If the abused is too scared to report the abuser then any check that an employer can do will come back clear. Of course it can still happen you are never going be able to completely stop a case of abuse happening but on the scale we discussing? Highly unlikely. Look at many of the cases we have seen since Savilles crimes came out, The culture of the industry and societies in general played a big part |
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In that things also happened at Crewe
What I meant was that was it a co-incidence that Dario was at both It's getting murkier |
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It's more then a DBS check, There will be procedures in place (to protect both parties) also there we are now living in a different culture, in the past sadly certain behaviour was accepted as it was "part of the culture" and what someone saw and would not report because of that mindset would likely not happen today.
Of course it can still happen you are never going be able to completely stop a case of abuse happening but on the scale we discussing? Highly unlikely. Look at many of the cases we have seen since Savilles crimes came out, The culture of the industry and societies in general played a big part It would not happen in 2016. Culture and attitudes have changed thank goodness. Gradi possibly knowing is the tip of the iceberg. Nearly 100 clubs are involved. |
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