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Old 05-12-2016, 09:57
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Well it is factual in the sense that ITV did a poll and this was the result.

Does seem pretty high though, hopefully it's not a true representation of the problem.
What sort of poll though? The kind where people phone to say yes or no? Unless it's a MORI poll or similar then it is about as statistically valid as stopping random people in the street.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:05
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What sort of poll though? The kind where people phone to say yes or no? Unless it's a MORI poll or similar then it is about as statistically valid as stopping random people in the street.
Exactly, we do not know anything about the poll, so,it's results are invalid.

Imagine it's sensationalist, just to get people talking or clicking on their site.

Please do not treat these statistics as factual or valid.

It is not an estimate of the percentage of how many children in the uk have suffered from sexual abuse.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:27
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What sort of poll though? The kind where people phone to say yes or no? Unless it's a MORI poll or similar then it is about as statistically valid as stopping random people in the street.
Why is a MORI poll acceptable?
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:35
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Why is a MORI poll acceptable?
Because it's possibly done by professionals rather than a couple of runners on a crappy tv show?
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:40
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Because it's possibly done by professionals rather than a couple of runners on a crappy tv show?
Fair enough, but it is not as if even the major polling companies have a good reputation at the moment for accuracy.
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Old 05-12-2016, 10:42
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Fair enough, but it is not as if even the major polling companies have a good reputation at the moment for accuracy.
I quite agree, they messed up the uk elections with a basic sampling error.

However the results of a tv company survey should be taken with the same pinch of salt as Jeremy kyles lie detectors.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:59
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Why is a MORI poll acceptable?
Because there is a statistical basis to what they do. I know they have messed up with the elections but they were only a few percent out. If you just ask people to vote in a phone poll you are basically saying that 86% of people watching ITV at that time of the morning said yes to the question. You would get a completely different result if you asked at a different time of day.
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:04
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Because there is a statistical basis to what they do. I know they have messed up with the elections but they were only a few percent out. If you just ask people to vote in a phone poll you are basically saying that 86% of people watching ITV at that time of the morning said yes to the question. You would get a completely different result if you asked at a different time of day.
Exactly, its hardly an accurate cross section of society in their sample. Out of 10 people (we do not know the sample size) who called a daytime tv show about child abuse, 80% have heard a rumor of someone being abused as a child.

Its absolute garbage.
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:07
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Because there is a statistical basis to what they do. I know they have messed up with the elections but they were only a few percent out. If you just ask people to vote in a phone poll you are basically saying that 86% of people watching ITV at that time of the morning said yes to the question. You would get a completely different result if you asked at a different time of day.
Being a few percent out is still getting it wrong though, no matter how big or small they were out.
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:27
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That's a wildly simplistic view.
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:55
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Being a few percent out is still getting it wrong though, no matter how big or small they were out.
Yes it is still wrong but they were a few percent out. A phone poll based on who is watching at the time could well be 30-40% out or more.

For example, try doing a poll on whether people like football on the politics forum and then do one on the football forum and see how similar they are.
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Old 09-12-2016, 15:44
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As per today's Channel 4 news, police chiefs now say that 98 football clubs in Britain are now involved in the child abuse enquiry.

83 suspects have now been identified as potentially interfering with young footballers.
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Old 09-12-2016, 16:26
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All this will really affect the trust in the Youth systems now - just at a time when the FA are trying to encourage more players to come through.
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Old 09-12-2016, 16:33
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All this will really affect the trust in the Youth systems now - just at a time when the FA are trying to encourage more players to come through.
I not so sure.

Today they have real safeguards in place.

Previously they had little or none and those they did have was at best paying lip-service to rules
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Old 11-12-2016, 12:54
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Crewe Alexandra's Dario Gradi suspended by FA following claims he 'smoothed over' sex assault complaint

Crewe have opened an independent inquiry into suspected abuse. Last week a former youth player at Chelsea, where Gradi was assistant coach, claimed he was assaulted by chief scout Eddie Heath at 15 in 1974.

He told one paper Gradi visited his family, claiming: “He came to smooth it over. I remember him saying something like, ‘(With) Eddie, (football) is his life and he gets a bit close to the boys. I’m sorry if he’s overstepped the mark’.” Heath died in the Eighties.

The mother of a former youth team player at Crewe told BBC2’s Victoria Derbyshire show she wrote an anonymous letter to Gradi in 1989 or 1990. She said it asked him to investigate a staff member taking “boys into his room” on a weekend in Blackpool.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...pended-9434053
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Old 11-12-2016, 14:37
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Dario knew?
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Old 11-12-2016, 14:52
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Seems like it

I didn't realise that he used to work at Chelsea

Guessing that it's pure co-incidence that Crewe are embroilled in this as well
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Old 11-12-2016, 15:10
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Guessing that it's pure co-incidence that Crewe are embroilled in this as well
That's not what the article says, read it again.
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Old 11-12-2016, 15:13
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That's not what the article says, read it again.
Not sure what you mean ?
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Old 11-12-2016, 15:48
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Today they have real safeguards in place.
Do they really though?

Apart from a DBS check what can be done?

If the abused is too scared to report the abuser then any check that an employer can do will come back clear.
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Old 11-12-2016, 16:01
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Not sure what you mean ?
In that things also happened at Crewe
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Old 11-12-2016, 16:09
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Do they really though?

Apart from a DBS check what can be done?

If the abused is too scared to report the abuser then any check that an employer can do will come back clear.
It's more then a DBS check, There will be procedures in place (to protect both parties) also there we are now living in a different culture, in the past sadly certain behaviour was accepted as it was "part of the culture" and what someone saw and would not report because of that mindset would likely not happen today.

Of course it can still happen you are never going be able to completely stop a case of abuse happening but on the scale we discussing? Highly unlikely.

Look at many of the cases we have seen since Savilles crimes came out, The culture of the industry and societies in general played a big part
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Old 11-12-2016, 16:14
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In that things also happened at Crewe
Ah yes, I did know that

What I meant was that was it a co-incidence that Dario was at both

It's getting murkier
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Old 11-12-2016, 18:59
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It's more then a DBS check, There will be procedures in place (to protect both parties) also there we are now living in a different culture, in the past sadly certain behaviour was accepted as it was "part of the culture" and what someone saw and would not report because of that mindset would likely not happen today.

Of course it can still happen you are never going be able to completely stop a case of abuse happening but on the scale we discussing? Highly unlikely.

Look at many of the cases we have seen since Savilles crimes came out, The culture of the industry and societies in general played a big part
I asgree, it looks like these things were tolerated and covered up back then or a known secret just like Saville.

It would not happen in 2016. Culture and attitudes have changed thank goodness.

Gradi possibly knowing is the tip of the iceberg. Nearly 100 clubs are involved.
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