Should please the SNP this option too
Britons could pay to keep EU benefits post-Brexit under new plans
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Originally Posted by Camp Freddie:
“And what "country" would that be precisely ? Despite the anthem, parliament, currency, flag, etc, etc, the EU is NOT a country so how can anyone be a citizen of a country that does not exist ? Who would you call upon if you were in a country outside the EU, which do exist incidentally, and needed diplomatic or consular assistance. I have no issue with anyone who wishes to remain a citizen of some political project with federalistic intentions, so long as they pay for it themselves. I`m sure every single one of the 16,141,241 who voted to remain are forming an orderly queue as we speak. (Or type for those who take every syllable literally)”
“And what "country" would that be precisely ? Despite the anthem, parliament, currency, flag, etc, etc, the EU is NOT a country so how can anyone be a citizen of a country that does not exist ? Who would you call upon if you were in a country outside the EU, which do exist incidentally, and needed diplomatic or consular assistance. I have no issue with anyone who wishes to remain a citizen of some political project with federalistic intentions, so long as they pay for it themselves. I`m sure every single one of the 16,141,241 who voted to remain are forming an orderly queue as we speak. (Or type for those who take every syllable literally)”
Currently, if you're the citizen of an EU member state and travelling outside the EU, you're entitled to consular assistance from the embassy/consulate of any other member state. Presumably, under this scheme, those Brits who opted to remain EU citizens would retain that right.
Many are doing precisely this, by the simple expedient of claiming dual nationality of another EU state. Some figures reckon that 25% of the UK population is eligable for Irish dual nationality alone. The problem is that it's not an avenue open to all UK citizens, simply because thay don't have the required family connections.
He added: "Between 15 and 30 million British citizens deeply regret Brexit. 
these people just don't stop. Makes me smile It's not 'free' movement if you have to pay a subscription, are the EU trying to use their version of Black Friday sales on people?
these people just don't stop. Makes me smile It's not 'free' movement if you have to pay a subscription, are the EU trying to use their version of Black Friday sales on people?
As EU citizens would they have join an EU army or police force as I imagine our politicians would be correctly be very concerned about these turncoats loyalty !
Originally Posted by B-29:
“As EU citizens would they have join an EU army or police force as I imagine our politicians would be correctly be very concerned about these turncoats loyalty !”
“As EU citizens would they have join an EU army or police force as I imagine our politicians would be correctly be very concerned about these turncoats loyalty !”
^ There we go again - nasty, toxic and hostile nationalism on display and directed against loyal British citizens who just do not happen to share your zealous views on one particular matter.
Originally Posted by B-29:
“As EU citizens would they have join an EU army or police force as I imagine our politicians would be correctly be very concerned about these turncoats loyalty !”
“As EU citizens would they have join an EU army or police force as I imagine our politicians would be correctly be very concerned about these turncoats loyalty !”
No they wouldn't, so you can stop indulging in paranoid fantasies.
Originally Posted by Cheetah666:
“Currently, if you're the citizen of an EU member state and travelling outside the EU, you're entitled to consular assistance from the embassy/consulate of any other member state. Presumably, under this scheme, those Brits who opted to remain EU citizens would retain that right.”
“Currently, if you're the citizen of an EU member state and travelling outside the EU, you're entitled to consular assistance from the embassy/consulate of any other member state. Presumably, under this scheme, those Brits who opted to remain EU citizens would retain that right.”
As a British Citizen, I would not need consular assistance in any Commonwealth country as we have High Commissioners as representatives as opposed to embassies. A quick search returned only the Kingdom of Bhutan and San Marino as having no British Embassies but the one in Florence, Italy, acts for the latter. So no real incentive to require EU "citizenship" on that basis. Or any other as far as I am concerned.
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“^ There we go again - nasty, toxic and hostile nationalism on display and directed against loyal British citizens who just do not happen to share your zealous views on one particular matter.”
“^ There we go again - nasty, toxic and hostile nationalism on display and directed against loyal British citizens who just do not happen to share your zealous views on one particular matter.”
British citizens?, we are talking about people who want to be EU citizens , what a plank!
Originally Posted by Teifiboi:
“Many are doing precisely this, by the simple expedient of claiming dual nationality of another EU state. Some figures reckon that 25% of the UK population is eligable for Irish dual nationality alone. The problem is that it's not an avenue open to all UK citizens, simply because thay don't have the required family connections.”
“Many are doing precisely this, by the simple expedient of claiming dual nationality of another EU state. Some figures reckon that 25% of the UK population is eligable for Irish dual nationality alone. The problem is that it's not an avenue open to all UK citizens, simply because thay don't have the required family connections.”
Indeed. Anyone from Northern Ireland is automatically entitled to an Irish passport as is anyone with a parent or grandparent born on the island or Ireland.
I work with a woman whose dad was born in Rome and is looking at applying for an Italian passport.
Originally Posted by B-29:
“British citizens?, we are talking about people who want to be EU citizens , what a plank!”
“British citizens?, we are talking about people who want to be EU citizens , what a plank!”
Yeah what sort of patriotism is that!? You are a traitor to your country and should be treated as such..I
Atleast the Americans are very patriotic bunch despite Trump !
Originally Posted by B-29:
“British citizens?, we are talking about people who want to be EU citizens , what a plank!”
“British citizens?, we are talking about people who want to be EU citizens , what a plank!”
Why do you say that? Those categories are not mutually exclusive.
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Yeah what sort of patriotism is that!? You are a traitor to your country and should be treated as such.”
“Yeah what sort of patriotism is that!? You are a traitor to your country and should be treated as such.”
Don't be ridiculous.
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Yeah what sort of patriotism is that!? You are a traitor to your country and should be treated as such..I
Atleast the Americans are very patriotic bunch despite Trump !”
“Yeah what sort of patriotism is that!? You are a traitor to your country and should be treated as such..I
Atleast the Americans are very patriotic bunch despite Trump !”
The treachery in this whole sorry saga is firmly in the hands of those who give away the rights of the British people.
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Indeed. Anyone from Northern Ireland is automatically entitled to an Irish passport as is anyone with a parent or grandparent born on the island or Ireland.
I work with a woman whose dad was born in Rome and is looking at applying for an Italian passport.”
“Indeed. Anyone from Northern Ireland is automatically entitled to an Irish passport as is anyone with a parent or grandparent born on the island or Ireland.
I work with a woman whose dad was born in Rome and is looking at applying for an Italian passport.”
I very much doubt 25 per cent of British citizens outside NI meet that criteria though. And it's more complicated if it's a grandparent.
Irish Citizenship is automatic - a passport is merely proof of citizenship. So I do hope people don't start overloading the small Irish passport office in Dublin with needless passport applications.
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“I very much doubt 25 per cent of British citizens outside NI meet that criteria though. And it's more complicated if it's a grandparent..”
“I very much doubt 25 per cent of British citizens outside NI meet that criteria though. And it's more complicated if it's a grandparent..”
There was a recent investigation by the excellent BBC More or Less show into this 25% claim.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37246769
The stats are hard to estimate but they came out with a "conservative" estimate of 6.7 million people in the UK being entitled to an Irish passport - which is more than the number of people in the Republic of Ireland. So the 25% claim is probably an exaggeration but it's not an insignificant number.
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Irish Citizenship is automatic - a passport is merely proof of citizenship. So I do hope people don't start overloading the small Irish passport office in Dublin with needless passport applications.”
“Irish Citizenship is automatic - a passport is merely proof of citizenship. So I do hope people don't start overloading the small Irish passport office in Dublin with needless passport applications.”
It could be a great money spinner and job creation scheme for the Irish government - and who is to say the application are "needless"? If they are entitled to one and are willing to pay the free then why shouldn't they do it?
Originally Posted by B-29:
“British citizens?, we are talking about people who want to be EU citizens , what a plank!”
“British citizens?, we are talking about people who want to be EU citizens , what a plank!”
^ That's all you can do - more cheap, nasty and snide quips instead of rational argument.
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Yeah what sort of patriotism is that!? You are a traitor to your country and should be treated as such..I
Atleast the Americans are very patriotic bunch despite Trump !”
“Yeah what sort of patriotism is that!? You are a traitor to your country and should be treated as such..I
Atleast the Americans are very patriotic bunch despite Trump !”
Originally Posted by dosanjh1:
“The treachery in this whole sorry saga is firmly in the hands of those who give away the rights of the British people.”
“The treachery in this whole sorry saga is firmly in the hands of those who give away the rights of the British people.”
That just comes across as toxic Leave extremism. There should be no mention of traitors or treachery in respect of a non-binding referendum vote.
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“It could be a great money spinner and job creation scheme for the Irish government - and who is to say the application are "needless"? If they are entitled to one and are willing to pay the free then why shouldn't they do it?”
“It could be a great money spinner and job creation scheme for the Irish government - and who is to say the application are "needless"? If they are entitled to one and are willing to pay the free then why shouldn't they do it?”
It is needless if it delays applications for Irish citizens who can only get an Irish passport.
Unless it is your intention to use your freedom of movement rights to live and work in another EU member state post 2020 why would you need to bother.
This is exactly what Brexiteers wanted, commonsense ideas to benefit britain instead of the the run away train which is the EU. Maybe team remoaners will see sence!
Originally Posted by crystallad:
“This is exactly what Brexiteers wanted, commonsense ideas to benefit britain instead of the the run away train which is the EU. Maybe team remoaners will see sence!”
“This is exactly what Brexiteers wanted, commonsense ideas to benefit britain instead of the the run away train which is the EU. Maybe team remoaners will see sence!”
The idea has come from an EU leader, not from the UK
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“The idea has come from an EU leader, not from the UK”
“The idea has come from an EU leader, not from the UK
”
And your point is?
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“That just comes across as toxic Leave extremism. There should be no mention of traitors or treachery in respect of a non-binding referendum vote.”
“That just comes across as toxic Leave extremism. There should be no mention of traitors or treachery in respect of a non-binding referendum vote.”
There shouldn't I agree however a non binding referendum is still a true measure of the will of the electorate. Our Government rejected the EU as was, we were asked to accept the new deal and the choice that the EU realistically gave us was this is the deal take it or leave. Working at ways to overcome that vote does have a nasty edge to it. If I recall 75 the Leave camp at that time accepted it with a degree of good grace and agreed the electorate had spoken.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7465271.html
Confirmed this will be the EU's stance after it got passed through EU parliament.
Nice PR counter move by them, will get them popularity and support.
This is the scenario where EVERYONE can be happy "have cake and eat it" if you will..
Confirmed this will be the EU's stance after it got passed through EU parliament.
Nice PR counter move by them, will get them popularity and support.
This is the scenario where EVERYONE can be happy "have cake and eat it" if you will..
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7465271.html
Confirmed this will be the EU's stance after it got passed through EU parliament.
Nice PR counter move by them, will get them popularity and support.
This is the scenario where EVERYONE can be happy "have cake and eat it" if you will..”
“http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7465271.html
Confirmed this will be the EU's stance after it got passed through EU parliament.
Nice PR counter move by them, will get them popularity and support.
This is the scenario where EVERYONE can be happy "have cake and eat it" if you will..”
Would actually be very positive and helpful. It means low skilled and unskilled British workers can move to any EU country to find work just as they have been able to do up until now and it also guarantees the rights of all those Britons living in Europe.
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