Britons could pay to keep EU benefits post-Brexit under new plans

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MidnightFalcon

10-12-2016

Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“I didn't say it would, I said it could.”

And I agree you could well be right, time will tell, there will always be those who seek to interpret even the most even handed arrangement as an injustice to be fought, that is unavoidable.

Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“There is no reason post Brexit why EU citizens can't come to work here or UK citziens can't go to work in the EU, ending FoM simply means they have no automatic right to.

We would be foolish to disregard one of the main reaons over half the electorate voted for Brexit and doing so is unlikely to do much for the healing you talk of.”

Again I agree. As a remain voter I have zero respect for those "remoaners" who only seem interested in hurling bigotry at "Brexiters" (as I think my posting history would show).

At the end of the day the vast majority of voters cast their vote in good faith for what they believed is in the UK's best interest, It's time we recognised that and put the loons on both sides back in their box before they conspire to burn the world down around us.

niceguy1966

10-12-2016

Originally Posted by MajorZero:
“I think the government had to appeal to clarify their rights regarding RP - as many are saying in this forum the court case has much wider underlying significance than Brexit. But I think government also understands that others may try to circumvent the will of the majority, and they IMO are trying to protect the result - which they NEED to do, because it would be quite an upset to democracy if we didn't leave the EU in some form.

Absolutely and thank you so much for the welcome. I actually think it is so important to recognise the 48% and show proper respect for their views but also we as a country need to follow the majority decision which was to leave. Yes, the instruction to leave did not say anything officially about what a negotiated deal would look like but again this fear from the people I don't believe is against Parliament having that say - it's more a fear of certain elements of it who will undoubtedly try to water an exit down to a "stay in all but name" which whatever it says or doesn't say on the ballot paper isn't what was being implied would happen during the campaign by either side.

Must from now on every 5 years we have not just "Conservative" or "Labour" on the election ballot but also exactly what they are meant to do, and how, by when? Should there be a clause which states "Tories will not raise VAT above 50% or else there will be a re-vote". We have to be able to trust Parliament to follow the will of a majority vote and it just feels to me like this whole situation has come out of distrust for politicians as a whole and whilst remainers have a right to their views there's quite a fine line between defining how it should be done, and trying to destroy/reverse the vote by any which way they can.”

Certain elements should be trying to water down Brexit. 48% voted to Remain and someone has to represent these people.

Brexit will happen, but the type of Brexit needs debate and that needs everyone to speak openly about what they want to happen next.

MidnightFalcon

10-12-2016

Originally Posted by niceguy1966:
“Brexit will happen, but the type of Brexit needs debate and that needs everyone to speak openly about what they want to happen next.”

I agree. However for this to happen the daily deluge of hatred needs to stop. And soon.

outof thepark

10-12-2016

Originally Posted by MidnightFalcon:
“I agree. However for this to happen the daily deluge of hatred needs to stop. And soon.”

Maybe there should be a Christmas "ceasefire"
A lot of people who post on these forums feel very strongly either way, and opinions are not going to be changed. So it ends up in mindless sniping.
The rest of the UK however is a different story, we need strong, honest, and thoughtful politicians to make it work. Unfortunetly i dont see Many out there who fit the bill.

LostFool

10-12-2016

Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“If having left the EU the UK offered EU citizens such a right it could be argued it is, as a non-EU member, discriminating against non-EU citziens if they weren't offered the same.”

Leavers voted to be discriminated against in the EU. They should be happy if they end up having fewer rights than Irish, Norwegians or Romanians.

Blairdennon

10-12-2016

Originally Posted by outof thepark:
“Maybe there should be a Christmas "ceasefire"
A lot of people who post on these forums feel very strongly either way, and opinions are not going to be changed. So it ends up in mindless sniping.
The rest of the UK however is a different story, we need strong, honest, and thoughtful politicians to make it work. Unfortunetly i dont see Many out there who fit the bill.”

And the ones you do see will be different to the ones that everyone else sees.

Blairdennon

10-12-2016

Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Leavers voted to be discriminated against in the EU. They should be happy if they end up having fewer rights than Irish, Norwegians or Romanians.”

No, Leavers voted for the UK to leave the EU. I am perfectly happy to have different rights to any EU citizen just as I am happy to have different rights to a US citizen and all will have different rights to UK citizens. It is the rights that UK citizens expect to regain that is the important issue.

outof thepark

11-12-2016

Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“And the ones you do see will be different to the ones that everyone else sees.”

I don't see any to be honest but maybe my standards are to high or I live in dreamland

MidnightFalcon

12-12-2016

Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“It is the rights that UK citizens expect to regain that is the important issue.”

Which rights will we be regaining?

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